Mik has Gunners in good nick

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It was touch and go on deadline day as to whether Arsenal would complete the signing of Everton midfielder Mikel Arteta. Thankfully the deal was done because the idea of this Arsenal side operating without the cultured Spaniard is more than a bit scary.

Naturally there was a period of adapation but Arteta’s quality and experience have been crucial in hauling the Gunners back into something approaching decent form. And Arsene Wenger considers himself lucky to have Arteta on board.

“He is an important player for our team,” said the boss. “He is really a player between Song and Ramsey or Rosicky and that gives us continuity. When we need to keep the ball he can achieve that – Jack can do that as well. But with Jack missing he is a player who can keep the ball when it is needed.”

His quality isn’t just appreciated by the manager either. Rookie Carl Jenkison was keen to sing his praises after the West Brom game, saying:

“He’s got that experience and he’s got that class about him as well like he will always keep the ball. Like when you think he’s in a tricky situation, he’s got great feet and he’ll always get out of that situation.

“And he’s a model professional as well, he’s someone I look up to, like he’s been around the game for a long time so I can learn a lot from him and he’s done really, really well today.”

As many Arsenal players go away on international duty, Arteta will stay behind to play Cluedo and Risk with Manuel Almunia. Wenger believes Arteta has been unlucky to be around at a time when Spain have so many quality midfielders.

“He had the bad luck to play for Wales who never went to a big tournament. Arteta was born in Spain where they have plenty of midfielders who are absolutely outstanding. What maybe didn’t help him is that he was very young and he did not move to clubs who were maybe as glamorous as they should have been.

“It shows what I always say – 90 per cent of a player’s career is the club. It’s the club who makes the career of the players. If he was English he would have an international career here.”

Or, he’d have been left on the bench while average Dans like Gareth Barry got picked all the time. Not that Arsenal fans will mind, as the fulcrum of the midfield gets to recharge his batteries for a couple of weeks.

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Peter Gasston

You missed out the comparison with Giggs, so it sounds like Arteta had the misfortune to play for Wales.

LORD_MACHO

Thought that was an intentional omission by our dearest humorist Blogger? Lol.

BTW Arteta has been a humdinger of a player in recent games for us.

LORD_MACHO

Thought that was an intentional omission by our dearest humorist Blogger? Lol.

BTW, Arteta has been a humdinger of a player in recent games for us.

manfredi

I wouldnt be surprised at all the see arteta joining the spain national side this summer though. No offence to Everton, cause i know how much Arteta loves that club as well, but at Arsenal i think Arteta has been giving the oppurtunity to show what a highly professional skilled midfielder can do for a top-flight team.

He will definetely be a valid back-up for some of the current spanish midfielders. Who we know, that they got a few on their team that are prone to injuries.

GoonerNugget

Had to re-read what Jenkinson said a few times. Sounded like he was describing Arteta as a Professional Model.

Gary

I haven’t been that impressed with Arteta since he joined us. He is an efficient player who gets the job done but he doesn’t have the same energy or eye for a pass as Ramsey or Song, who in my opinion out perform him every game. I don’t think he was a bad signing but I think he will be more of a squad player when Wilshere returns from injury.

Having said all that his goal was very well taken on Saturday.

DV

I’m not sure you can overstate the importance to this team of having someone with a bit of experience and determination in there, for years we’ve been decrying the weak mentality and glass jaw of this team which is something guys like Arteta will help. He hasn’t been flashy but he’s been solid and given the flash this team used to have without the solidity, it’s a welcome change.

Scribblers

Mikel Arteta > Scott Parker

Baz

i agree, id rather less flashyness, more winningness, arteta was the type of player we needed

fact of the matter is, we made top class signings, time needed to gel, man city went shopping last season and weren’t world beaters, keep a group together and they improve

LORD_MACHO

@DV, spot on mate. Couldn’t agree more.

@baz, well said.

Master Bates

Arteta is deep lying playmaker . It’s Ramsey’s job to assist RVP and wingers and be direct , Arteta’s job is keep and the ball and occassionaly pass it to the wingers

As scribbers said Arteta > Scott parker . He has already scored 2 goals and assisted few . what else do you want from a DEEP-LYING PLAYMAKER ?

I know he is not flashy ,but he is good looking

Scribblers

Only reason I’m semi thankfull for this interlull is two weeks rest for Arteta without rotation. Couldn’t have timed it better infact, he was definatley comming up to breather time. *swoon*

Anyway, apart from him and Jenkinson that’s pretty much the entire first team off to my injury gods protection shrine.

GoonerNugget

Mikel gets to spend 2 weeks of quality time recharging with his wife. Now THAT is a good way to spend an international break. He’s probably laughing it up.

Scribblers

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Arteta’s wife for research purposes.

kunzeboom

¡Coño, que rica!

Eric Irish gunner

She’s a cracker hope he dos’ent come back with groin strain

johnnyboy

can’t believe arteta didn’t get this praise when he just came to arsenal, he was a terrific player at everton for so long and held their team together. has been my favourite player outside of arsenal, when he signed i was delighted. still can’t believe he hasn’t played an international game. would be up there with the best players to not have played an international game. out of curiosity, what other great players haven’t played for their country as well?

Steve

A quick question but has he actually played for Spain? If not, then couldn’t he apply for dual nationality and play for England? He’s better than a lot we have at the moment

the only sam is nelson
the only sam is nelson

NOOOOOOOOO

the last time that idea was bandied about we watched in horror as “England’s No 1” turned back into teh hapless waiter from Barcelona

let us not tempt fate

the only sam is nelson
the only sam is nelson

agree, although i’d happily relieve the toffees of fellaini and baines as well.

fellaini looks to me the kind of player we’d imagine diaby to be, if he were ever fit or applied his considerable skills with consistency and desire.

baines is just a good proper full back. like those.

GOONER up

He is a top Donkey for the team. Always running and tackling (tackling isn’t his strong point) but he is willing to put his ass on the line. That’s very important for our team. He is a soldier.

edan

“He is a top Donkey”

“willing to put his ass on the line”

I see what you did there.

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Arsefan

Passing as sharp as his cheekbones.Swoon.

Fatgooner

Arteta is a decent player but can never be called great. Having (finally) seen some highlights of Saturday’s match it looks like he had a good game, and he superbly finished off what was a brilliant team goal.

The overall performance against West Brom was excellent. We controlled the game from start to finish and won without any of the usual silly defensive lapses. The Pole had a nice quiet afternoon between the sticks – that’s a great sign.

It’s really annoying that this stupid international week has come upon us. With the form starting to come back a nice away trip to somewhere like Bolton or Wigan, and three more points, would have been nice.

Like I said on Saturday, Wenger needs to seize this moment and look for new players to compliment this decent, but not great, squad. We must somehow find a quality striker: if Van Persie gets a long-term injury then our season is over. Losing Gervinho in Africa for up to six weeks will hurt us badly, too. I’d like to see two major signings in January.

By the way: don’t Chelsea look like total shit at the moment? How the hell did they beat Blackburn on Saturday? What’s the betting that they don’t even finish top four? Even Spurs look a better side!

edan

“Arteta is a decent player but can never be called great.”

Hmm, that’s an interesting point of view. I look forward to reading the rest of your post which will no doubt back up the claim.

“Having (finally) seen some highlights of Saturday’s match”

Oh okay. Opinion thus dismissed.

Fatgooner

I’m sorry! Actually Arteta is a brilliant world-class player who’s on a par with Messi and Ronaldo – that’s why at twenty-nine he’s never been fully capped by Spain, and he’s spent the last six years playing for a shit team like Everton.

Take off the blinkers, mate!

Frog

Hey fatgooner, I’m going to change my name on this site. I suggest you do the same. That way all these cunts won’t just give us thumbs down because of who we are. It seems that were being discriminated against. I can say nothing bad at all and I still get a ton of thumbs down. This is my last post as frog. In two weeks I’ll reveal my new name an we shall see if my comments are received differently. Cheers mate.

TomC

You could come back as Prince.

Fatgooner

Please don’t, Frog. This website – and our club – need realistic supporters like us who are not afraid to tell it like it is. I don’t give a damn how many muppets disagree with me.

I love the club and only want what’s best for us – and more than anything that means winning trophies. When the players or manager don’t perform to the very high standards that we have set at Arsenal then I will say so. And whenever we do well I am one of the first to give praise (just as I did today and after the Chelsea game).

I will never be one of those arseholes who thinks Wenger and the players are infallible and who continue to give blind support even when they are not producing the goods. Both on and off the pitch, the club has been badly run in recent years. This needs to be stated by somebody if we are ever going to get things right.

Frog

Yes fatgooner I know what your saying. You’re rite, fuck it. I’m still frog and I’m just going to keep calling it how I see it. I’d these chumps don’t like it…………..

GaryFootscrayAustralia
GaryFootscrayAustralia

Nice idea TomC, but Prince has already made his comeback….how about “squiggly symbol”?

For the record, Phatgooner and Frog, I couldn’t give a monkeys what name you use. Doesn’t make a difference to my personal opinion, besides which I mostly pick only the one reply I agree / disagree with most to give the thumbs up or down to. Sometimes it’s one of the two of you, sometimes it isn’t.

gunner_expat

you guys are more than welcome to “call it like it is”, but seriously most people are coming here to look for either good news or to be in a community of other optimistic gooners.

If you think you can exact change in the club by ranting every now and then to a site full of people who understand exactly how much control they actually have, then your welcome to. But don’t be surprised when your unwanted criticisms get thumbed down.

And really, if it’s something disagreeable then i don’t think anyone really cares what the name is…

The Interlull Madness
The Interlull Madness

Frog
November 7, 2011 at 8:48 pm
I read your inputs in a daily basis…actually both you and Fatgooners and can conclude that you are both party spoilers.

Since March 2011 to about six weeks ago… it’s seemed the World and her dog thought Arsenal was a club in crisis. Now with a few wins and positivity emitting from the players the supporters are showing joy and boasting a little (Be aware of ghosts). So lighten up and get on the train.

Furthermore if you wish to be liked (ticked up) say good things occasionally about fellow imputers

Blogs are about opinions but occasionally you have to concede and ride the wave. You have been shining for months on this blog and its someone else’s turn to shimmer at present. People from all over the world have one thing in common… they like positivity and good news.

The fact is that The Arsenal is doing well at present and I personally could not have endured another month of pain and negativity. In the past six weeks I have seen a young man blossom as right back…. a BFG came in and did his job, an experienced midfielder who was hidden but now shine; a young Welshman doing a role he was born to do, a striker who is on fire, a winger who is full of tricks and I could go on. On reflexion Arsene have given us all we need; we demanded experience, we demanded defenders, we demanded goalkeepers, we demanded faster football, and we have them all.

What I’ve learnt over the years of blogging about football is that the game is used by many to include some young boys and girls as Bragging Rights.

The opinions lodged “sometimes” by these young and occasionally older supporters do not often compute with reality, but its shows their passion and interest for the game and their team.

We look forward to reading your input under another Alias/Anon

Anon

Too bad, Anon’s taken. Get away from my arseblog screen name.

I’m actually happy if they did change their name.

It would:

1) Prove them it’s not the name, but it’s the etiquette that matters.
2) Give no loss of value.

Gutbukkit Deffrolla

What’s that, son? No, it wasn’t horrible Spurs fans calling us muppets and cunts. It was other Gooners. Yes, that’s right, Gooners who get less pleasure out of seeing Arsenal playing and winning than most Spurs fans do. What funny Gooners they are !!!

Yar

That’s funny, every time I watched Everton I wanted Arteta on our side. He is as solid as it gets, constantly between 85-90% passing. There are things called cogs in the machinery, and he is a main one. Don’t be so silly as to write him off because he hasn’t played for a huge club or for Spain. That’s like saying Britney Spears can actually sing well just because she’s so popular.

The Interlull Madness
The Interlull Madness

“I’d like to see two major signings in January.” Pray tell who they should be and how much we should pay them, how long the contract should be. aaahhhhhnnnnnmmmm

Fatgooner

Well it’s a shame that we didn’t snap up either Javier Hernandez or Luis Suarez when we could. Instead, our wonderful manager thought that a complete donkey like Chamakh could win us the League last season. The signing of second-rate players like Chamakh and now Park just prove my point when I say that the club has been run badly on and off the pitch.

A club of our stature should be prepared to shell out 25 million plus on players of PROVEN QUALITY, and pay them the 150k a week that modern superstars demand. Instead Wenger always seems to be looking for the next wonder-kid on the cheap.

So many of our supporters now appear to be happy with fourth place. For me that is simply not good enough. If we were properly managed then we would have probably the League twice in the last five years.

Scribblers

Weal, a signing like Javier Hernandez comes along every now and then. Our scouts just didn’t spot him, just like they did spot say, Pires. It’s a shame, but everynow and then, someone makes a steal.

On the other hand, I think most gooners would agree that the last two transfer windows where handled abysmally, regardless of the late rush. It’s had a massive impact, Chamakh is a disapointment, nothing in his french career or the start of his Arsenal career suggested this was comming. It’s a damn shame, probably time to cut him loose. Park is a stopgap squad player for cheap, nothing wrong with that.

Suarez, weal, maybe. However, thats not really how we role, although the occasional, rare big money move should be within our capabilities.

I think our current form earns Wenger and the club the chance to be juged in Janurary, if thats handled badly and the squad isn’t strengthened, RVP’s gonna get restless.

The Interlull Madness
The Interlull Madness

Fatgooner
November 8, 2011 at 3:08 pm

Thank you for your response. I do apologise for the delay in responding. I agree with both these names you suggest; they are good players (Hernandez and Suarez), but I am perplexed by your use of “donkey” to describe an Arsenal player, but saying that Tony Adams was called a donkey and he did not do so badly.

I must mention a topic not addressed on this blog… Chamakh may have arrived at the Emirates a year too late to fulfil his potential. In terms of Park, he have played three games and scored one goal. I think that is a great return, so you are unfair and lacking in respect.

As a valued and long term supporter I’m sure you remember Terry Henry first six months at the club. I recall supporters similar to you cursing him… calling him some un-imaginable names. Another example is Corporal Jenkinson (Leroy)…To be honest after the Manu game Jenkinson was so heavily criticised…. I wondered if we would ever see him again in an Arsenal shirt. Our problem is we expect immediate gratification and satisfaction… every new player must fit in immediately and score goals and be a star. Alas this is real life… it does not always happen.

In my submission I ask you to name two players, Arsenal could buy in January 2012, you said Hernandez or Suarez. Luis Suarez is a great simulator and his mannerisms are not suited to Arsenal culture. Hernandez I agree is a poacher but he is signed to ManU so we cannot buy him in January.

I take note of you view about the financial statute of the club and the need for a £25m plus striker of proven quality. Arsene have never and will never spend that kind of money on a player (today’s value of money).

I must also give you an example of vast amount of money spent, but have not yet equate to goals scored… £50m for Torres, £35m for Carroll and as for Ferguson he spent a small fortune of Forlan- ( yes remember him, only scored once in three years and guess who won the golden boot during the last world cup.)

Football management is about praying and hoping that your team wins the game, that your players are not injured, that your supporters come with you on the journey that you can sustain and manage your financial accounts.

There is no guarantee that you will win the League, the Cups and the medals.

Roman spent a vast amount of money trying to win the Champions League for Chelsea… we are talking insane amount of money… and guess what… when the moment arrived to win it… his Captain… John Terry slipped. Like I said no guarantees.

Finally you say that if we were properly managed we would have won the league twice in five years… well we did not. And no I am not happy with fourth, but this is where we are… and Arsene is going nowhere….. So come along on the journey and relax…. or alternatively you can support Man City who will win the EPL; the CL ; the FA and the Carling Cup this season… why because half the their team are ex Arsenal players.

Frog

@interlull, so he asks for the side to be reinforced with a few top quality players and your response is to mock him and ask him to play championship manager? Sorry mate, but that a ridiculous post. Not all gooners are like you and want to sit around and hug each other and be happy finishing fourth. Some of us want this club to live up to the very high standards that many members and followers of this club have set over the past century. We want to truly compete to WIN in every competition. Fourth is not a victory. Would barca, Madrid, inter, ac Milan, united, Chelsea or juventus be happy finishing fourth? No fucking way. Were the arsenal and we deserve a seat at the table. Two January signings is not to much to ask.

Jasonissimo

“very high standards over the past century”?!? Arsenal’s league finishes under Arsene Wenger are evidence of the most consistently high final positions of Arsenal in any era. The problem with you and that other guy is you just don’t see reality as it is but rather as you wish it were. You come off as bitter and delusional. It’s all more than a bit antisocial.

Anon

First for Frog

“@interlull, so he asks for the side to be reinforced with a few top quality players and your response is to mock him and ask him to play championship manager?”

It’s not easy to spot players. Fatgooner was calling the manager an idiot for not grabbing those steals. At the same time, why wasn’t he cursing Sir Alex Ferguson for not getting Pires? Not getting Henry? Hernandez isn’t a world-renowned superstar, and it’s not like Arsenal will always get the good cheap options. Hell, they could’ve signed Lionel Messi a decade back, but the paperwork didn’t go well. Flame more?

“Not all gooners are like you and want to sit around and hug each other and be happy finishing fourth.”

??? Ad hominem much?

“Some of us want this club to live up to the very high standards that many members and followers of this club have set over the past century. We want to truly compete to WIN in every competition. Fourth is not a victory. Would barca, Madrid, inter, ac Milan, united, Chelsea or juventus be happy finishing fourth? No fucking way. Were the arsenal and we deserve a seat at the table. Two January signings is not to much to ask.”

AND THE VALID QUESTION IS: WHO ARE THESE TWO SIGNINGS??

The problems of a signing is whether or not they would fit. Look at Squillaci. You wanted a defender right? Wenger responds with that.

And again, you COMPLETELY DISREGARD the valid concerns borne out of REAL-LIFE EXAMPLES in Liverpool’s 35mil acquisition of Andy Carroll as well as Chelsea’s 50mil Fernando Torres. The stupid post here is yours my friend.

I’m not satisfied when Arsenal don’t win a trophy in any season, but I’m not going to say they should buy Kaka now, knowing very well Arsene doesn’t spend that sort of money. And then, a fan speaks his worries that the signing would be a flop if it was rushed (as all of you keep chanting this en masse without a proper name) yet you bash it to death.

I’m all up for Eden Hazard coming to Arsenal. I would actually urge Arsene to do this. However, it is his decision on what to do. I do not think he will be a flop, but then again, no one thought Torres will flop that badly at Chelsea did they? These are all VALID CONCERNS, and you quite explicitly disregarded these things.

This makes you look very retarded. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were drunk.

Anon

fatgooner

“So many of our supporters now appear to be happy with fourth place. For me that is simply not good enough. If we were properly managed then we would have probably the League twice in the last five years.”

This is a posteriori, not a priori. Don’t understand what I mean? Google.

Also, Park has only played in 3 games. Why the hell are you deeming him a horrible player before he has even proved ANYTHING? I see football column writers criticized ALL THE TIME about judging players when they’re just 10 games into their new EPL career, and here we are with an Arsenal fan deeming Park (who’s an important player for his old French club and his national side) a horrid buy just 3 games into his Arsenal career — in a physical league he has never experienced in his 28 years of life. People amaze me.

Goon Mate

Thankfully, Arteta won’t be in Spain drinking Cunt Xavi’s Barcelona DNA Goo..!

Anon

I’m sad Arteta doesn’t get appreciated as much just because he’s not in the advanced playmaker role everybody wants him to be in 🙁

His desire and sharp features are enough for a place in my heart.

Also, since Arteta has played as a winger for Everton, would Arsene consider putting him there when Gervinho leaves (since Wilshere is back)? In a way, copying what Newcastle did with Barton last season.

Witoldo

Funny how everyone was complaining that Arsene wanted to field a team of 8 wingers judging by his transfer moves, and now that Gervinho is off for a month for ANC, suddenly we don’t have anyone to slot in for him???

Arshavin, Benayoun, Ox, Rosicky has played there, Ryo…

Anon

I would go for Ox or Arshavin, but seeing as Arshavin often switches off on the wing, it would most probably be Alex.

I was only wondering / suggesting if Arteta could play in that winger role. He once excelled at it in Everton if I remember correctly, and last season Barton did contribute well for Newcastle in the wing through his smart diagonal passes. Arteta, I believe, can do the same, while also providing some of his energetic midfield displays in that corner, something Theo and Arshavin (and maybe Alex) lack.

Martin

I feel that Lansbury can develop into the type of box-to-box, dogged in defence, yet silky with ball at feet kind of player. He has both sides to his game. What Arteta brings, and of course it is talked about by everybody, is the know-how that only experienced players have.

Talking about experienced players, has anyone seen the list of bosman available players on goal.com..? I know they are getting on in years, but a cheeky (and likely to be accepted) bid in Jan for players like Anelka, Berbatov or Drogba can be short term solutions to our “only got one striker” problem. Also, players, like hoilett, bosingwa, klasnic, cahill could only strengthen our squad… cant remember as enticing a list of players close to the end of their contracts!

Martin

*can develop into the type of player that Arteta currently is.

Freddie

Theres just no way I would accept Berba, Anelka and Drogba in Arsenal.

Jesus..

Merlin's Panini

Berbatov is still Tottenscum in my eyes.
Anelka is a mercenary sulk who had his chance, and has had his day.
Drogba just seems past his best. Plus I don’t like the Predator looking cheating cunny either.

If these players aren’t good enough for Chelsea or ManUre anymore then they’re not good enough for us.

Eric Irish gunner

Well said

Martin

Haha, yeah I get what youre saying. It was of course a short term suggestion, but these players could ably lead the line for 6 months if RVP got injured. Im not saying I like them as people. That said, one of my favourite things about the current squad is that I like the players. No Eboue, no Bendtner, no Ade. So maybe just hope Park and Chamack-my-bitch-up can get it together. peace

Franchise

I would love to have Drogba as a backup to RVP.

Dan

I have a question. Whats the deal with the whole hidden due to low comment rating shit? Some people are just massive cunts

Merlin's Panini

looks like you might be about to find out…

TomC

Haha! Majestic timing.

Gutbukkit Deffrolla

Well, for a start, you will find some Gooners that find it distastseful to be described as cunts by somebody who is apparently another Gooner. I thought that throwing foul insults at us was the job of Spurs fans, not Arsenal fans.

You have my thumbs down not for the question, but for the disgusting insult to fellow Gooners that is ill befitting an Arsenal fan.

TSOTIA

during the transfer window, the one rumoured target that i followed the most-and wanted the most- was not even a defender but Arteta. I wanted someone who could make the exit of Cesc less obvious and i was glad this player i had always rated was the target.
Truth is, he has not played the way i expected and hoped. Blending period may be. But i really hope he becomes the player i know he is capable of becoming. For now, sadly, he is not near it.

Danbar

The level Arteta is playing now is more or less the level he was playing at for Everton since his injury. I doubt he will get much better.

TSOTIA

danbar, i agree he’s been playing at this level since his injury. I do hope he gets back to his best, otherwise, he’ll find himself on the bench if everyone is fit.

Anon

I don’t get why TSOTIA’s comment was rated so low. What did he do wrong?

TSOTIA

beats me too Anon. I wish one of them will state his case.

Gutbukkit Deffrolla

He seems to have been heavily involved in much of our recent play and has also scored and set up a few goals. What were you expecting of him? Did the loss of Cesc change your expectations in any way?

To my mind Arteta’s play allows Ramsey to make the exit of Cesc less obvious. This is a pretty good thing he is doing for us in every match he has played, even though it has taken Ramsey a bit of time to get up to speed. I also suspect that Arteta’s mere presence in the squad is a steadying influence amongst the younger, inexperienced players, and that his experience and calmness may well be a factor behind some of the wins we have had recently. I would be inclined to place a good deal of the credit for the steadying of the Arsenal ship at his door. Also kudos to Arsene Wenger for grabbing him. I do not believe it was a mere panic buy, but was an option he had considered for some time.

Whether he could be better is not a worry to me, because he is already doing exactly what I think we needed from him. If he gets better then it will be a nice bonus.

(Thumbs up from me. You only suggested the man could do better, after all, and you managed to do it without calling him, or any of us a… well, you know what the favourite naughty word of the negative brigade is.)

TSOTIA

You have succeeded in telling me your expectations and I absolutely have no problems with that. don’t try to make me lower the standard of the player just to meet your own expectations of him. I, obviously, rate him higher than you do. Like I said earlier, I’m a big fan, but I’m also very objective. He can do far better than this, and I hope he does.
Cesc? What do you mean by that? Trying to be mischievous?

Twizzle

Dont let him play for Spain… Next thing you know they’ll be praising his ‘barca DNA’ and he’ll find himself in the same situation as fabregas did

heihaci

Just a shame we don’t have Cesc playing alongside with him!

George

Cesc who?????

Mooro

Move on fella.

heihaci

fighting againt spurs for fourth spot is not classed as moving on IMO

yes Cesc is gone but we need a real replacement for him if we want to challenge for the title

Mooro

Heihaci, such as? Unfortunately a player like Cesc comes along once in a generation. And unfortunately, he decided he didn’t want to play for us anymore (accepting all contributory factors in his decision).

So you don’t get a direct Cesc replacement, you have to find a different way of replacing him, which I think we’ve done to some extent with the way the Arteta – Song – Rambo combo is shaping up.

The point was Cesc is gone. Arsenal move on, so must we.

Merlin's Panini

The guy is a quality player. I’ve wanted him at Arsenal for years. I was so happy when we got him. He’s put in some quietly effective shifts and I’m well happy with him so far.
We have really good options now in our central midfield, in my opinion:
Arteta, Ramsey, Song, Wilshere, CoqPong, Benayoun, Diaby, Lansbury…
There are bright times ahead, I’m sure of it, and what’s more, there aren’t really any over-inflated egos there either.

Mooro

Spot on Merlin. I can’t for the life of me understand people saying he’s not this and he’s not that.

They can’t be watching the same solid, effective, experienced, team-player, who’s adding so much to this side.

GaryFootscrayAustralia
GaryFootscrayAustralia

What’s the current swoon count sitting at?

TomC

Reading the exchange between Frog and Fatgooner above I think Fatgooner has a point. The thumbs up/down system in fun but there’s a risk of abuse and a consequent dumbing down of the comments.

There’s a difference between disagreement and disapproval. I disagree that Wenger is doing a bad job. I disapprove of everyone being called cunts. One deserves a thumbs down, the other doesn’t.

Thumb downs should only be for abusive comments, racism, homophobia, trolling etc and not for different, honestly held footballing opinions – no matter irritatingly negative and Eeyore-ish. The voting system’s vulnerable to abuse and it’s not right that regular contributors should have to contemplate changing their moniker to avoid consistent mass censoprship.

Not sure what the solution is – guess everyone just has to think about how they vote and use the Thumbs down only to get rid of unwarranted abuse….?

The Interlull Madness
The Interlull Madness

TomC
November 8, 2011 at 5:28 am
I agree that “Thumb downs should only be for abusive comments, racism, homophobia, trolling etc” but occasionally we use it when someone is continually being negative, like Frog and FatGooner.

Anon

I certainly do not agree “Thumb downs should only be for abusive comments, racism, homophobia, trolling etc”.

The thumbs system allows us to express our pleasure or displeasure at sentiments or expressions. In most cases, fatgooner and Frog are often very rude and inconsiderate. This brings about displeasure from many fans.

Rather than giving a long and probably unread opinion of how inconsiderate they are, most people would rather make a CLEAR, concise and QUICK difference by showing the public their displeasure at the comment.

Making the thumb system a system only for “for abusive comments, racism, homophobia, trolling etc” would make it the same as a ‘report abuse’ button. For the sake of arguments and proper etiquette in speaking, writing and expressions, the thumbs system should always be there.

There is always a risk of someone abusing it, but the good will usually prevail. In a very down-to-earth level, when we see a perfectly respectful and agreeable comment get hidden because of low ratings, we’d up it immediately. Then again, there is always a risk in everything — what matters is proper management of it.

Anon

Example of ‘rude’ / ‘inconsiderate’:

“Not all gooners are like you and want to sit around and hug each other and be happy finishing fourth.”

This is a very deep ad hominem attack. A love for a football club can be as deep as religious roots, and such an offensive assumption is bound to rack up the negatives.

Of course, it’s not a sugar-coated world, I agree, but be considerate. You don’t want the whole board calling each other cunts, so stop calling each other stupid names. You call me names, I call you names as well. It’s no different.

You call me names when others are backing me, you’re going to get thumbed down. I call you names when you’re looking really bad to the public, I won’t be getting too many thumbs down.

frog

hey anon, are you serious? you take offence to “sit around and hug each other”? wow, thats a bit sensitive no? i mean , it doesnt even imply anything “gay”. it was much more of a dirty, lazy, hippie reference. get a grip mate. your pc bullshit is whats ruining the world. man up

Gutbukkit Deffrolla

frog, when it comes to deciding what is offensive the decision is made by the reader of the comment, not the writer.

Gutbukkit Deffrolla

Anon, if you respond to something frog says then it is up to each reader to decide whether you were offensive. It is entirely possible for them to read your response, agree with the majority of it’s sentiments, yet still give you a thumbs down for being offensive to frog.

To be honest I was with you through both your entries, right up to and including the point where you said “You call me names, I call you names as well. It’s no different. “, what a smart piece of writing I thought, and then you go and ruin it all by saying “You call me names when others are backing me, you’re going to get thumbed down. I call you names when you’re looking really bad to the public, I won’t be getting too many thumbs down.”. That was disrespectful and frankly unnecessary, and that is exactly why I gave you a thumb down for an otherwise sensible comment.

TSOTIA

agree tom c. However, the person should not be thumbed down just because you dont like his veiws. If he has said something good, then let him be even if you dont like him.
Plus, most people have equated honest criticism with negativism. If a player plays poorly and you say so, you get ‘down’ because some over-zealous fans hate the truth. Do they really think they love the player or arsenal more? Delusion i will say.

TSOTIA

*sorry* The Interlull Madness not Tom c

TomC

Thanks Tsotia. That’s exactly what I was saying. Cheers

Anon

I agree with your sentiments, but it is hard to actually regulate a person from thumbing down. This system was designed for public judgement. If the public thought your very rational comment a few posts back was awful, then they have the right to thumb it down.

What’s more important however, is to just post what you think. If the public thinks reasonable posts like that are stupid, then they’re the ones stupid. I don’t care if they worship Mikel Arteta, you have the right to say that he’s not performing up to your expectations. It’s your expectations, not theirs.

But the public’s approval of such things is not in anyone’s control, much less blogger’s. He just provides a simple platform to express this displeasure into something short: “I disliked it”.

TSOTIA

I get your point Anon. But that is the power of feedbacks. If you designed a thing and it becomes abused and used for what you did not intend, you dont just sit back and wish it away or shout ‘OMG! OMG!!’
You’ve got to savage the situation and that’s what this has called for.
Hope the right thing would be done.

TSOTIA

I get your point Anon. But that is the power of feedbacks. If you designed a thing and it becomes abused and used for what you did not intend, you dont just sit back and wish it away or shout ‘OMG! OMG!!’
You’ve got to savage the situation and that’s what this has called for.
Hope the right thing will be done.

Gutbukkit Deffrolla

“However, the person should not be thumbed down just because you dont like his veiws. If he has said something good, then let him be even if you dont like him.”

First half good.

“Plus, most people have equated honest criticism with negativism. If a player plays poorly and you say so, you get ‘down’ because some over-zealous fans hate the truth. Do they really think they love the player or arsenal more? Delusion i will say.”

Second half not so good. You seem to have decided for “most of us” why we use the down button. You also seem to suggest it is due to over-zealousness and delusion.

No thumbs awarded as I cannot give both a thumb up and a thumb down on this comment.

Instead I shall grade your comment with “6/10 Must try harder”

TSOTIA

I have not decided for ‘most of us’. A short re-read through the archive will reveal that virtually ‘most of us’ thumbed down comments that even slightly suggested that a player didn’t particularly play well in a match, or to the best of his ability. Unless, of course, during the team’s poor run when ‘most of us’ didn’t see anything good in the team; or, if the particular player is disliked by ‘most of us’ eg delnison, chamarkh and bendtner.

TSOTIA

I have not decided for ‘most of us’. A short re-read through the archive will reveal that virtually ‘most of us’ thumbed down comments that even slightly suggested that a player didn’t particularly play well in a match, or to the best of his ability. Unless, of course, during the team’s poor run when ‘most of us’ didn’t see anything good in the team; or, if the particular player is disliked by ‘most of us’ eg delnison, chamarkh and bendtner.
Btw, are/were you a teacher? Say ‘yes’!

the only sam is nelson
the only sam is nelson

If I don’t like what someone says or how they say it I’ll give it a thumbs down.

that’s what it’s there for. It’s not to blow the whistle in case John Terry comes here to talk about his views on diversity and inclusion (although he’d probably fall over and smash his ugly mug on the corner of the table first, we hope)

if frog/fatgooner/etc represented what most of us were thinking, guess what? they’d get lots of thumbs up. the fact that they don’t suggests that they’re out of step with the majority.

that could be because they’re quite negative, slag off lots of aspects of the team + invidual players + the manager + fans who don’t think arsenal are completely fucked out of shape

or it could be because most people have drunk ivan’s kool aid and don’t understand that having a club compete for titles and enter europe’s premier competition 15x in a row is unmitigated disaster

dunno which, mind

*slurp*

yum

thanks, ivan

Frog

You said it Sam Nelson, drank the kool aide. As an arsenal supporter, I want to see my club win everytime they step onto the pitch. I expect and demand that from my club. If I don’t feel the commitment is there from them( the board) I’m going to speak up.

Jasonissimo

Even Barcelona fans don’t expect that the team will win *every* time they step on the pitch. You seem to have unrealistic and, frankly, immature expectations.

Anon

And if I see disrespect and foolish negligence on valid concerns of Arsenal fans’ opinions, I thumb it down. Perfectly reasonable. No need to change your handle name.

Anon

jasonissimo, he didn’t mean that Arsenal MUST win every trophy ever season per se, but he meant that he has a very strong desire to see them do this. It’s just the way he put it.

frog

dont ever speak for me again anon. i dont need or want your input on anything i say. you are much too sensitive for my likes so leave it be please.

and guess what @jasonismo, barca fans do expect to winEVERYTIME, they step on the pitch. its called setting high standards and goals and aiming to achieve them….. in other words, greataness

Mooro

I think the irony is Fatgooner’s original comment up there wasn’t negative or offensive (to me anyway). It was basically Arteta had a decent game and hope AW buys in January. Can’t argue with that really.

Although I do hope Frog changes his name. I’m looking forward to a game of Spot Frog over the next coupla weeks.

Anon

On that I can agree.

Gsco

I agree that the original comment wasn’t that bad. I don’t think the thumbs down is just for abusive stuff. If I don’t like a comment, I would think I could give it a thumbs down. Maybe the issue is more the # of thumbs down required to get hidden comments. Maybe that should be upped so it only picks up those that are truly abusive or useless. Personally, I don’t like the hidden comments because reading on iPhone doesn’t seem to allow me to see them easily. I find them interesting because I can see all the replies and not the original. I’d say move the # of thumbs down up before hiding or have a report abuse option instead. Fatgooner’s original shouldn’t have been hidden IMO.

Mooro

The iPhone thing’s a good point. I’m sick and tired of giving a thumbs up to Frog and Fatgooner, just so I can see what they’ve got a thumbs down for (of course, having then read it, I give them a thumbs down, naturally. Hehe – I’m joking lads).

Fatgooner

I’m thinking of moving to North Korea – there’s more free speech and impartiality there than this website.

Frog

Actually mate, it kind of sounds like some of these guys are coming around. I like the thumbs up/down thing, I just wish the comment wouldn’t be hidden. I don’t care how Many people disagree with what I say, as long as I am free to say it. When it gets hidden, I feel I lose that.

The fact is, you and I get thumbs down before a lot of people even read what we’ve written. That sucks.

The Interlull Madness
The Interlull Madness

Fatgooner
November 8, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Frog
November 9, 2011 at 1:52 am

“When we talk of freedom of speeech for all man, the mocking paradoxes in our own society become so clear they can no longer be ignored.”

I salute you both for your steadfastness.

Anon

“When we talk of freedom and opportunity for all nations, the mocking paradoxes in our own society become so clear they can no longer be ignored.”

Not freedom of speech in its original quote.

Fatgooner

A SIMPLE (AND NOT INTELLECTUAL) QUESTION FOR ANON AND THAT INTERLULL PERSON:

Firstly, I’d like to point out a few facts. If I’m wrong please pull me up.

1. Arsenal Football club is one of the most successful clubs in the history of English football, winning thirteen league titles and ten FA cups, as well as various other trophies in Europe and England.

2. Arsenal Football Club has a sixty thousand capacity stadium, which it fills for almost every home game.

3. Arsenal Football Club has tens of millions of supporters around the world, from Berlin to Buenos Aires; and Soweto to Stockholm.

4. Arsenal Football Club has one of the highest turnovers of any football club in the world, beaten only by the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona and Man United.

5. Arsenal Football Club play in the Premier League, The richest League in the world.

6. Arsenal Football Club has won nothing for six years.

Am I wrong anywhere here?

Now for the question.

Why the fuck should the supporters of a club of our size and stature be happy with this level of abysmal failure?

the only sam is nelson
the only sam is nelson

the bit where you’re wrong is at the end where you say “this level of abysmal failure”

that, and conflating the idea that because we’re not all burning effigies of wenger, we are “happy” with the situation we’re in

it would also seem as if you’re remarkably unfamiliar with the history of the club, where a 6 year gap between trophies was once viewed as being something of a purple patch

apart from those trifles, your histrionic post is brilliantly accurate

TSOTIA

I do not think we are divided along expectation lines; I think what divides us is the way to achieve that expectation, or prevent re-occurrence of present situation.

frog

spot on fatgooner. it appears that there are only a few of us left whom demand excellence from out club. excusses no longer stand up. fourth place is no trophy. win, win,win again. if a player isnt preforming (arshavin, chamakh) ship em out and properly replace them. thats what every other “big” club does. can anyone honestly say that either of these two would still be in any side out of: barca, madrid, milan, inter, unted or chelsea? no way. no excuses. would fergie have put up with cesc or nasris bullshit? no way. he’d of shipped em and replaced em and carried on winning. not let them sink our ship and put us in a huge hole to start a season. no excuses. spend some fucking money!

Fatgooner

Brilliantly and passionately put.

TSOTIA

Arshavin currently performs better than several players in milan, inter, unted or chelsea. Torres, drogba,kalou, malouda, owen, berba, anderson, virtually the whole of inter’s forward, etc. and they are still in those teams.
Chamakh? Well…
And yes, we are overdue some trophies and I believe we’ll get something this season.

Mooro

I think there’s a couple more divisions – those that think AW has gone as far as he can, and those that think he’s got more left in the tank.

There’s also the division in thought as how points are put across, debated and argued and the surrounding etiquette.

I will say this for Frog and Fatgooner and that’s they’re still commenting.

If you take the first point, there were plenty, and I mean plenty, of people posting in the summer and early season that Wenger’s lost it, time to go etc. Where have they gone? What’s happened to the infamous banner that never was? Are they waiting and secretly hoping our form dips, or have they changed their minds? Be interesting to know.

TSOTIA

your first point falls within my argument:how expectations are to be met/how present realities are to be avoided. Some felt wenger has to leave, some wanted him to stay and others wanted him to stay only if he changed certain philosophies. This alone was (is) the crux of the matter.
Your second point is outside of fatgooner’s question. He wasn’t talking about fans behaviour to one another but fans response to arsenal’s perceived ambition.

Mooro

Tsotia, I agree. I wasn’t directly answering FG, just making an observation upon your points. Cheers.

the only sam is nelson
the only sam is nelson

19 teams aren’t going to win the league this year; given what my season ticket costs, if I get to see better football than pretty much any other fan in teh country, then i’m happy. of course i’d be a little happier if we actually won something but then again, in 1987 we won the league cup. and do you know what? i’ve been happier watching us play a kind of football i never thought possible at the arsenal, irrespective of what it’s won us (actually that’s not true; it’s won us friends, worldwide admiration, more fans, all sorts. not all “winning” is about silverware, kids). certainly happier than i was when we lost at home to derby in 1989 on the way to our first league title in 18 years (again, kids, read it and weep; 18 years).

Now of course that’s just me.

What does rather bug me is the attempt by any fan to proscribe their own version of fandom as the template for others to follow. If you agree with me, then fine; if you think i’m an old fart who’s full of shit, again, fine. but if you feel the need to evangelise your own chosen way of “being” a fan, then fuck off, frankly.

that is all

Fatgooner

Sam, your post sums up everything that’s wrong with our club at the moment. This “I don’t care if we win, as long as we play pretty football” mentality is the reason why we are going nowhere right now.

It’s a shame that Cesc Fabregas didn’t agree with your philosophy, but unfortunately he actually did want to play for a team which wins trophies – that’s why he walked out on us. And just before he left he pointed out that at any other big European club the manager wouldn’t be in his job after even five trophy-less years.

I think it was Bill Shankly who said that the entire point of the existence of a football club is to win trophies – I tend to agree with him. That’s why the nonesense at our club must not be allowed to carry on. Arsenal Football Club is not the club that it was 15 years ago. We are now a European giant, thanks to Wenger. Half a dozen years without a trophy is simply not acceptable anymore.

The great shame is that we CAN be successful if we are better managed. Wenger was brilliant in his first eight years but in recent times he has lost the plot. The Board should have demanded more – and backed him financially – or removed him.

We are right to demand – and expect – success.

By the way: the word “proscribe” actually means to ban rather than advocate. I think you ment “prescribe”.

frog

let me say this, i do not hold arsene wenger responsible for our shitty situation. i truly believe that he is the absolute best person for the arsenal. you said it though fatgooner “backed him finacially”. Arsene has had us punching way above our weight for the past 7 years or so and i feel the board has been an complete failure in their lack of respect to both AW and the supporters. Honestly, how can they ask the man to continue to keep us fighting for honours, while they refuse to invest any of the profits of player sales or revenue (highest ticket prices in the world) back into the squad?

it is completly bizarre, and i for one will always stand up and say to the board, spend some fucking money! give Arsene Wenger the tools he needs to do his job, and give the supporters what the demand for the club they love and support both emotionally and fiscally. Fatgooner and I demand, and expect success, so should every other gooner. thats a fact.

TSOTIA

cesc said he didnt say those words and I believe him. I know players sometimes deny their words but i know many times the press twist their words, or blatantly claim they said words they didnt say.

the only sam is nelson
the only sam is nelson

again, you are confusing two things here:

– my opinion as an arsenal supporter
vs
– the philosophy of the club, or its leading players

if for one moment i thought that anyone related to the pitch shared my rather relaxed view of the world, i would be pretty fucked off – but it’s clear that wenger is one of the worst losers the world has ever seen, so he doesn’t for starters, and i don’t think many of the players do either. good.

kronke on the other hand seems sanguine about middling-to-high levels of achievement (ie CL qualification on tap leading to profits without the necessity to actually win any silverware). This I wholeheartedly disagree with because it presents a set of conditions that make it less likely we will win silverware, rather than more likely. but as my only option to register my dissatisfaction with this scenario is to withdraw my financial support from arsenal via my season ticket, i choose not to object in any meaningful way. largely because i want to go to the arsenal as a supporter and because my seat would be taken up by one of the waiting list applicants and god knows how long it’d take to get it back should stan ever piss off.

i certainly don’t think i know how to improve matters at arsenal, and unless you’re a coach with significant experience of leading players to trophies in major european leagues, i suspect you don’t either

so absolute statements like “your post sums up everything that’s wrong with the club at the moment” also win you thumbs down. you don’t know that, my friend, you are speculating. Fine. Go ahead. Just don’t pretend you actually know what you’re on about. Really.

TSOTIA

You have succeeded in telling me your expectations and I absolutely have no problems with that. don’t try to make me lower the standard of the player just to meet your own expectations of him. I, obviously, rate him higher than you do. Like I said earlier, I’m a big fan, but I’m also very objective. He can do far better than this, and I hope he does.
Cesc? What do you mean by that?

TSOTIA

what is this doing here? I posted a reply to a post up above. Pls ignore, it has been reposted (thankfully to the right place).

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