Monday, June 30, 2014
Wenger: Song can leave. We want Sahin

Wenger: Song can leave. We want Sahin

Arsene Wenger has admitted that Alex Song is set to leave Arsenal for Barcelona and confirmed that Real Madrid’s Nuri Sahin is one of the player’s he is eager to sign as a replacement.

Speculation has mounted in the Spanish press that the Catalan giants are eager to add the Cameroon international to their squad after watching him at close hand in Champions League encounters over the last three years.

Until recently Arsene Wenger had denied that any such move was on the cards, but speaking to the press ahead of the first game of the season against Sunderland he finally admitted that he was ready to let the 24-year-old move.

Asked if Song would be leaving and if new signings were on the cards, the boss stated:

“Both can happen. We have 6 or 7 players in midfield, it is an area where we have much more freedom to make decisions.

“[Sahin] He is one of the players that we follow.”

It is believed that negotiations between Arsenal and Barcelona are already at an advanced stage with the Gunners holding out for a fee in the region of £15 million plus add ons.

Nuri Sahin is free to go on loan after Jose Mourinho admitted that the former Borussia Dortmund captain was surplus to requirements at the Bernabeu. It is believed that Liverpool are also eager to take the Turkish international for the year although the player is pushing for a move to London.

 

 

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  1. At least we can look forward to Song giving the Arsenal players a lot of hugs the next time we play Barca

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    • why is my name required

      Goodbye van Persie and Song
      Welcome Sahin and mystery player(hopefully)

      in Arsene i trust. You are the man to lead the Arsenal, Mr professor.

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      • Wow, you are really a blind supporter. Not that all this was Wenger’s fault, if anything, I can feel sorry for him as he nurtured van Persie and Song from zero, and they did this to him.

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      • seven years ago, Arsene Wenger dismantled the invincibles to build a future for the club, a legacy. but times were different then, and now money is the crude reality.

        i don’t know why, but i’m pleased with Arsene’s matter-of-fact way of selling alex song. probably to rid himself of the last DD represented player in the squad, but also to ensure a severing of ties with the pure thought he had back then.

        Arsene’s not an idiot. he’s more intelligent and educated and experienced with the ways of the world than most. this splurging of cash for experience & proven quality and also promise; along with stating outright that song could go – is this an indication of “that didn’t work, unfortunately. now i’ve got another idea. another plan.”?

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      • May as well get rid of the last player that darren dein has infected. I like Song and would rather we keep him, but if Wenger says that it could happen, you can bet your house that it will. So we may as well accept it and keep our fingers crossed Sahin is coming.

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      • Continue trusting him,and one day u will wake up and emirates stadia would have been sold

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    • song fabregas straight swap deal?

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    • Poor Song… He must not have been close to Alex Hleb.

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    • If song leaves we are going to be screwed. this team is shitty now, I hope the next person to leave will be Koscienly or vermalen

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      • We? Who’s ‘we’. You’re obviously not a fan. No fan will wish ill of his club. Go support Man Shitty. You’d like the harem of overpaid showboaters over there.

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    • I can not understand the thinking in getting rid of Song, he’s been one of our most consistent players at arsenal the last three years. If he is letting him go because Diaby is “fit” then I think that Wenger has well and truly lost it. Not only this but I would rather have lost £10m and let Judas go to Italy than those scum.

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      • I think also that he wants to get rid of players that will flirt with other clubs now instead of having another transfer saga every single summer. It would be awful to have Song have a great season and then hold out and have another saga next summer. Better to get someone in who’s committed long term. Although it would be nice if we had figured this out a little before the first game of the season.

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    • I think arsene wants to get rid of as many african players as possible because the AFCON will be played once every year.

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      • AFCON won’t be held every year, it has changed to odd numbered years (2013, 2015 etc.) so it doesn’t clash with the world cup.

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  2. 15 million sounds really low to me, we have a 24 year old who is only real out and out defensive midfielder (he defends at least a little so it counts) and he has a lot of potential still.

    and how often is he going to play? he’s signed to fill the keita role, which was sit on the bench unless a situation arises every once in a while where they need him. this really just doesnt make any sense to me

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    • “Defends a little” is not equal to “Out and out dm”. I’d sell him for 2 squad players+10-12 m. Rafa alcantara and Fontas ave been touted as possibilities.

      Never been song’s biggest fan, but if he goes, he must be replaced by someone more defensive than sahin

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      • exactly, is it just me or wouldnt everyone prefer someone like M’Vila instead of Sahin for a replacement. I mean Sahin is great but he just doesnt strike me ad a DM…

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      • Sahin is a better defender than Song. Everyone who’s watched him with Dortmund knows that.

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      • Sahin is Arteta. Yes he can tackle but no he is not the defensive midfielder we need. Watch Song against Dortmund he was phenomenal, thats what he is capable of, but we also needed him last season to unlock defenses.

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      • I thought Sahin was Sahin…

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      • very droll

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      • Sahin is Spartacus.

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      • Why the fuck would you buy players from Barca? Fast forward 5-7 years and it will be all about DNA talks. No thanks.

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      • @goonerforlife:

        Sahin played as DM for BVB. He’s Xabi Alonso type of player, who can defend and attack without forgetting his primary duty.

        I hope he chooses us, a CL football and playing for Arsenal is by far better than going to Liverpool.

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    • Modric is costing 30 mil so 15 is way too low unless some players are being included .

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      • one song, we only had one song, and now he is gone, but we have FRIMPOnG..

        HE Does to arsenal belong… and he’ll stay here life-long…. So why dont you come along ……..To hear a folk song…..

        RVP and Song….. You both are so wrong…. we’ll show you before long….. We’ll be winning all yearlong !!!

        FRIMPOnG !!!…… He is Soooo strong….. He’s Prong is so Long…… oh so long !!!

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    • Agree that 15 mill is a bit low – hopefully the add ones will improve the overall deal – but frankly if he wants out then let him go to sit on the bench at Barca. We want committed players and I could see him sulking if we kept him. Think Sahin would be a great replacement as long as we can buy him and whilst he’s not an out and out DM he is a good tackler and does seem to have the discipline to stay in his position. Another positive is that’d we’d be replacing an ACN player with one who isn’t.

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    • I guess 15 million is better than their first offer of a packet of tictacs and a dusty old piece of string. And people say Arsene is stingy. Barca are pathetic.

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    • Agree completely Song should be worth more than that! Judging by pre season Arsene just wants an excuse to get his Coq out.

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  3. Good job. No more David dein. Onwards and upwards.

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  4. Holy crap. I didn’t think this would happen. I thought it was just bullshit from the Spanish gutter press.

    I’m gutted to be honest. He is one of my favourite players. He is 24 years old, improving every year and just about to reach his peak. £15m is ridiculously cheap for a guy of his talent.

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    • Have to agree with that. Some of his assists last season were nothing short of spectacular. Phaaaack!

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    • I think the problem with Song was his defensive duties leave a lot to be desired,and the amount of shit passes he made or times he gave the ball away is inexcusable. I’d happily take the money and improve on this position we a couple of players. M’vila and Sahin? Why the fuck not!

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      • Spot on, too many hollywood passes. He believes his own hype too much. Another Bendtner…

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      • Too many shit passes? As oppose to the other 14 which made goals. Goals, I might add, without which we wouldn’t have had Champions League football. But don’t forget last season, at times we were bereft of ideas, we couldn’t break teams down and as such Song broke forward, and I for one am glad he did, because it showed that he was being under used. Clearly now he has proved to be much more than a standard tackler and short pass man. He has good feet, good technical ability and can play some beautiful killer passes. Alongside a proper holding midfielder he would flourish.

        As for another Bendtner, steady on.

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      • Every assist is a goal, that’s what an assist is. If you try 700 through balls/bals over the top and get 14 assists, you’ve still wasted the ball 686 times (obviously I’m exaggerating the amount but the point remains).

        While he has been one of our better attacking outlets, that’s not what we need right now in that position. We have Arteta, Cazorla, Rosicky, Diaby, Wilshere, Arshavin, Ramsey, Coquelin and Frimpong all vying for those 3 positions and at least 3 of those are very attack-minded. A more defence-minded midfielder to help protect the back 4 would be better while we’re trying to win a trophy and get that ball rolling.

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      • Fair point, but if you have aplayer who makes 0 through passes, well by my maths you get, well…0 goals.

        Your point about players in the same position, Song even attacking as he does is still a better defensive option than Frim and Coq. Rosicky, wilshere and Diaby are injured and injury prone. So that leaves Arteta and Ramsey. Cazorla is a winger who will play up top as will Oxlade-Chamberlain and Arshavin.So from centre-mid i still expect Song to chip in with good passes, whether or not, our strikers can convert them remains to be seen. But i think he deserves at least another year to see if he can do it.

        But I do agree that a true holding midfielder would benefit us most. But to play alongside Song, not to replace him.

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      • We have lost a good player in Song. Some crap passes last season and some defensive lapses. but very good and strong in the midfield. Could have only improved.
        Bring on Sahin.
        I hope van Persie misses a hundred easy goal attempts and scores ZERO goals for manure.

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    • I have to agree , for a player of his quality , i’d expect nothing less than 30m or we’d be robbed.

      I believe if we manage to get Sahin and Llorriente ….. we can compete with City.

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  5. Im disgusted at Song, much more than RVP. We must get these venomous creatures off our team, this new Era will be Arsenals future.

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  6. As long as we reinvest some of the money made from these transfers I’ll remain a happy gooner. I won’t let a a mega cunt (RVP) and any other players’ departures ruin my optimism for this new season.

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    • two things come to mind-

      1.arsene wants to tie up all loose ends.
      2.if sahin comes in the dynamics of the midfield will change.a player like sahin would complement our existing players very well.especially arteta and cazorla.our midfield will become a collective unit.

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  7. The numbers are in plus again….24 for the scum+ 15 for song+4 for vela +1. For bartley=44 mill. And we got santi+lu and giro for 38ish wasn’t it 6 million profit

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    • More sales to come from Bendtner,squillaci,park.

      Song is good as gone. It seems Wenger is “disgusted” by Song’s behaviour. Sahin seems to be pretty closed as well if Wenger is willing to admit we are after him. Very frank and open press conference, very unlike Arsenal & Wenger. Strange though Song is going for a reported 15 mil. That’s cheap unless they doing a player exchange on top of that 15 mil.

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      • Following on your statement of an honest PC, people were hurt by Wenger lying about Poldi and Giroud being RVP replacements. Would the supporters rather Wenger tells the truth to the press and risks weakening our sale position and chances of gaining a Sahin, or being cagey and locking up good deals? Can’t do both unless you have massive petrodollars in your bank and will outbid any rivals.

        So, I agree with you that a deal may be on the cards for both Song and Sahin for Wenger to be so forthright.

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    • hooraayyy :)
      of course we need to have a profit, when did we spend without selling to cover it?

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  8. My God what has got into the boss he is not fucking about is he. Looks like if you piss around with him you are sold. Well I like song but I love Arsenal so COYG !!!

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    • I actually think he’s had enough of being disrespected by players and treated like a mug. It seems like this season it’s a case of “you don’t want to be here 100%? Then I’ll sell you and get someone else in.”

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      • For you American Football fans as well, I always thought his dissembling about transfers was similar to Belichick. Looks like he’s gaining that ruthless streak too. Now if only the players bought into the philosophy of team first as much as the Patriots players did…

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  9. Yes, it’s a bit of a shame, but I’m actually quite happy.

    This would mean that Darren Dein has no more influence at the club.

    That pile of corrupt, money grabbing, **** is now out! That is promising news, surely?

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    • I know rvp’s agent is vermaelen’s agent too.
      kees vos <<< the guy who turned our robin into judas.

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    • Let’s not kid ourselves into believing every other player’s agent isn’t ruthlessly trying to cut a better deal for their clients. Or that you hardcore Football Manager types (that are worth your controllers) take fan sentiment into account when you buy and sell virtual players.

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  10. This is becoming embarassing.

    Just when I was starting to get excited about the season.

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  11. aaaaah you guuuuuys, songs leaving toooo. if arsene is willing to sell then it has to be one of those arseny things he does, so I keep faith.

    out with the old, in with the new.

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  12. Oh no Mr Wenger!!! I can cope with RVP’s departure. But Song? Why oh why?**Sobbing**

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  13. Good riddance

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  14. If Song leaves, fine. But we absolutely must replace him with a defensive midfielder of some sort; otherwise, we’re a little boned.

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  15. If this happens it will be a travesty. People are hating on Song because of his lack of “defensive awareness” but seemingly contradict themselves by promoting Nuri Sahin as his replacement! Swapping what little steel we do have in centre mid and replacing with another creative nice footballer is ridiculous. Song should have the protection of a true defensive midfielder behind him, to play the role he proved last season he adept at.

    But Song will only be sold if he rejects a contract planned at talks next week. Arsenal want him to sign a new long term contract with the club. FACT. If he doesn’t then we can demand as much as we’d like from Barca should we sell, as he has three years left on his contract. He will not move for a paltry £15m. BUT if he does, it shows the lack of power held by IG and AW when they head into negotiations with other clubs.

    A few weeks ago we had signed three top players and outr squad looked strong, but losing RvP and now Song would be taking 2 steps forward, 3 steps back. There is no sense is losing our top performers last season and replacing them with premier league unproven players.

    AW would have us believe that our strong is large enough for our ambitions but we all know that this squad is filled with Squillaci, Djourou, Arshavin, Bendtner, Park, Chamakh and injury prone players like Diaby and Rosicky. Yes its big, but does it have the quality? No. Strengthening the squad must be the priority now, as the first XI is as good as any in the top 4.

    Sorry for the essay. Just my opinions. For what its worth (Nothing)

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    • Totally agree with u
      And seeing that Diaby will definitely be injured after 3 games, why is it so unthinkable to get Sahin in without selling song. The guy is coming in on loan for pits sake…

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      • I agree! I think Sahin should come in anyway as he’s a lovely footballer, who can allow Wilshere to take his time coming back. The centre mid positions could then be rotated between Arteta, Ramsey and Sahin, with Wilshere coming on for twenty mins to regain his fitness and introduce him gradually back into the swing of things.

        But even if Sahin doesn’t come in, I think Ramsey will be back on form this season. He was unfairly criticised last season. After a horrific injury, it was his first full season back, and he felt like the creative burden fell on him (after the departures of Nasri and Cesc) and he did play well for the first half, but fatigue clearly set in! Now he’s got that season under his belt, along with some good performances for Team GB he’ll be raring to go.

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    • Why is everyone so obsessed with a defensive midfielder?? Why not get a midfielder ffs, who can defend and attack. We need players with defensive awareness, that is all. Arteta has it, Wilshere has it, Coquelin has it. And it needs to be sorted on the training ground. Who is Man U’s DM, who is Chelseas DM? And don’t say Mikel because he never plays.

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      • The fact is our defense needs protection more so than United and Chelsea. We ship far too many goals as it is. Take out Song and we will concede even more. Seems pretty simple to me.

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      • Yes we ship too many goals, but that is because of how we are set up. A defensive midfielder wont change it. Working on trainining ground will, with intelligent players.

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      • this could mean we see a 4-2-3-1, without a designated defensive midfielder and 2 midfielders that just sit in the center of the park and distribute, arteta and ramsey/ diaby or wilshere if fit. santi in the hole, podolski/ gervinho on the left giroud/podolski up top, and walcott/ ox on the right.

        it is a little more balanced.

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      • Yes we need better coaching defensively and not just in open play, but if you take away a defensive midfielder, it will curtail the attacking play of our full backs, potent weapons like Sagna will be forced to stay at the halfway line, or risk running himself into the ground by the 65th minute.

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      • Thats a good point Sacklad but I think we would lose a lot of the attacking ability of Ramsey and Wilshere in the final third if they always had to stay deep.

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    • ‘what little steel we have’

      Arteta/Wilshere/Diaby/Coq/Frimpong would all like a word with you.

      Also, you can quote me on the squad NOT containing Squillaci/Park/Bendtner.

      It’s just an instinctive reaction to lash out when things we’re comfortable with are taken away, I understand that and RvP is a top class player but not irreplaceable, Song is a competent DM and a good CM in a team with plenty of creativity so his loss isn’t as bad as it would have been 2 years ago imo, it will not be like-for-like as such but he will be replaced and just because his replacement might not be 6ft tall and built like a brick shithouse doesn’t mean he can’t do a job.

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      • Arteta shouldn’t be burdened with cleaning up attacks, keeping the ball moving, and joining attacks late into the box. Wilshere is unlikly to feature at all until well into the new year. Coquelin is far too inexperienced. And Frimpong is far too raw and hotheaded. To rely on those four players, is ridiculous.

        the fact is that least season, we were not creative. Thats why Song provided 14 assists! He was our main creative midfielder!

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      • And also Squillaci, Park and Bendtner may not make it into the final 25 man squad. BUT, they are taking £150,000+ a week out of the club for nothing.

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      • And this season we have Cazorla/Diaby/Wilshere/Ox to help out Rambo and Rosicky so creativity is less of an issue and when you take that out, Song is competent and experienced, two things we can replace relatively easily imo

        Arteta should be burdened with doing what the team needs him to do, as should the entire team. Not sure how October stretches well into the new year but there is some inexperience there, however the key is they’ll be next to experienced players, with experienced players behind them and experienced players in front of them. We won’t be relying on just those 4 players, there’ll be a replacement for Song too and add in the Ox and Cazorla who can play deep and you’ll see there’s depth there just not necessarily in the ‘omg, look at the expression on that mofo, he’s going to eat us’ department.

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      • Fully take your point on Cazorla. But relying on a second season 18 year old, to be the creative fulcrum of a top 4 team is a big gamble. You expect Wilshere to be starting games in October? Right ok. Won’t happen. And if Diaby is a shadow of his former self, (who was lets be honest, poor) i’ll be surprised. And didn’t you just say that Wilshere and Diaby would be the steel in our team? So now you wan’t them to play the exact same role as Song is now? Strange.

        But with our defense having its worst year in, I forget how many years exactly, I would want something a little more than untried, inexperienced, injured, out of of position players.

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      • We’re not relying on anyone to carry any part of the team or be any kind of fulcrum, that’s the point. Not sure what issue you have with me saying that Wilshere and Diaby will provide some steel whilst saying they won’t play the same way as Song, quite aside from the fact I’ve seen Diaby in all the pre-season games and he looks fit and better than ever (I actually think he has shown what he can do, and it is good…very good), mental and physical toughness is not positionally restricted.

        I guess what it all boils down is that you simply don’t rate the players we have, I know they have quality and I know there’s more experience in there than you seem to think, especially when you consider the rest of the team so yeah, enjoy the season seeing it your way and I’ll enjoy it my way.

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      • Im not sure where in my rpevious comments i’ve said I don’t rate any of our players, (well except Diaby). But by advocating that Diaby and Wilshere will be up to the task, after being out for 1-2 years to be able to effectively defend and attack in equal measure to what we have in Song right now, is a huge gamble.

        I like Coquelin and I like Frimpong. I like Rosicky (though its taken 3 years). Arteta is a quality player. And I adore Wilshere and Ramsey. But

        What it really boils down to is I believe we would lose more by moving on Song and getting a replacement, than by keeping him for another year at least. Whereas you don’t. And thats fine, its all about differing opinions. We both want whats best for Arsenal, but in a season where we have made the biggest strides forwards for 5 years, in terms of player recruitment, why dismantle a fairly successful team and put it back together again with youngsters (with potential, which hasn’t worked) or unproven premier league players.

        But as we don’t really know if Song wants to leave, there are two conflicliting stories, but if he does then I would want him out asap, but if he doesn’t then he should be given a new contract.

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      • Fair point, I should have said ‘rate as highly as I do’, I see defensive nous in the players we have like Arteta/Coq/Ox/Cazorla of the guys we have fit now and further usefulness in Rosicky/Wilshere, that is a good base with some other decent talent in the middle. I’m not expecting them to do exactly what Song did as no two players are identical but I’m expecting the new guy and the others to make a more cohesive unit and protect the back four.

        Now I’m off to pick which shirt for tomorrow….

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    • Signing 3 players and selling 2 is taking 2 steps forward and 3 steps back? I don’t like your math

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      • Yes when the two players you sell are proven premiership players and the three you sign are not. Stay behind after class for some extra help.

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      • So 3 quality players coming in minus two quality players leaving still equals a deficit based on an unknown quantity “premiership experience”. You need to show your working out, I mean you need to stop talking out of your arse

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  16. TGSTEL's amazing First Touch

    Darren Dein wasnt Nasri’s agent, nor RvP’s IIRC.
    I get the Relief of some at seeing him gone, but agents are agents, and class and loyalty are History for today’s footballers.

    That and nothing stops one of our players to hire him in the future.
    It’s how football is today, we have to adapt and be more ruthless and strengthen our position by being successful and making these ungrateful cunts want to stay here because it’s in their *interests*.

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    • This ^^^^^^ In solid gold letters ten feet high.

      Once we start winning, the pressure immediately eases.

      Another blank season and we will have the same scenario – with a different cast – next summer.

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    • Maybe.

      Man U were winning a lot when Rooney decided to gouge them for as much as he could get, might have been a bluff but if Citeh had offered a stupid fee and crazy wages with Rooney stamping his feet who knows what might have happened.

      I believe that it was Darren Dein’s agency that Nasri and RvP belonged to, even if it wasn’t him doing all the business it would have been done in the same style.

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      • the only sam is nelson

        “I want playing time” <—- my club wins trophies but i want more money

        "I want trophies" <—- i want more money

        etc etc

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  17. seriously this gets on my nerves but i hope we have a better player in coz the times song was slow really got to me but he had developed on the passing issue

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  18. Don’t worry everyone I will be back. You really hurt my Daddy and I want to represent Gunnersaurus and the editor of the match day program as well. By the way, you should see my house in Barcelona, it is MASSIVE! I will post photos another time just too busy playing the bongos on Song bum and counting my money

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  19. You guys are so gullible, it’s bizarre!
    What’s the reason for selling Song?? For RVP we apparently had no choice as he wound have left on a free.
    But selling Song who had 3yrs left!!!!!
    I’m guessing Theo will be off soon & the attitude will be he was rubbish anyway.
    Like Ive always said maybe the penny will drop when we cash in on Wilshere.
    We are definitely not winning the league, and we all know it!

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    • I know how you feel and i dont undertsand the sale of Song to barca(the cunts) either but apparently song was being difficult and left Arsene with no choice.

      However if they do cash in on Wilshere then we have every right to question our clubs ambition.

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    • agree! Arsenal is telling everyone that you can buy anyone but you need to pay money! Arsenal haS NO DIGNITY when you give Arsenal money ! HAVE YOU SEEN BARCELONA MAN UTD LIVERPOOL SELL THEIR KEY PLAYERS

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      • Fight against Fickleness

        It appears our lack of recent success has made my fellow gooners accept mediocrity!
        We lose Song & RVP and instead of anger or annoyance, we have acceptance and stupid logic.

        Wow, I mean wow!!!
        And Anyone that believes we’ll spend any cash recouped from the sale of both players is living in a dream world.

        Making a profit in the tranfer market every summer is the Arsenal way.

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      • Personally I don’t think wenger gives two shits about who he keeps anymore. He has seen players he nurtured just leave without the slightest care. He has two years to run and just wants to see how it all plays out.

        Experimenting with the arse.

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      • You haven’t seen any anger about losing RvP? I don’t know which Internet you’re using but isn’t the same as mine.

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      • don’t ever lump ilverpool into the elite group of clubs again. it’s an insult to the sport

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      • Barca – figo, ronaldinhio, ibra, Eto
        Liverpool – Torres, Alonso, mascerano
        Man utd – ronaldo, Tevez, stam, horse faced cunt

        This is football, it happens all the time, get over it! If van persie and song don’t want to play for us, fuck em, same goes for the rest! Until then, up the arse!!

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      • Uhhhhhh ya. United sold Ronaldo. Liverpool sold Torres. Milan sold Ibrahimavic. Liverpool sold Alonso. Narcs sold Ibrahimovic as well. You sir, can beat it.

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    • Reason? He doesn’t want to be here and we can get a better option for the money, seems good enough to me. If that’s gullible then gull me all you want.

      When I see us selling players that want to stay and are at the peak of their value, then I’ll start asking questions about our intentions.

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  20. Aaargh I don’t know why this hasn’t dragged om just a bit longer, I would have liked to see barca beg like fucking dogs then eventually tell them he’s not for sale.

    But if this does happen then clearly song does not have hlebs number.

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  21. Tbh, I’m not too hurt by Song’s departure. He lost the ball in front of the back four far too often, and went for a spectacular pass when we needed something more straightlaced.

    As for Sahin, if Mourinho (a man who is known for tight defences) plays him at LB, surely he’s relatively good at defending?

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  22. Whatever Wenger does with the DM position PLEASE play Frimpong against Man Utd and if Jack is back all the better.

    FIGHT!

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  23. One Song, we havent got One Song, we havent got One Song…

    Bye

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  24. Per's Nimble Footwork

    I’m liking the new Arsene Wenger: the man with the glasses, and now not afraid to change his tune; boldly Sahin, ‘you can have this Song, if he wants to be played by the midget Spanish Giants’.

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  25. Okay what the hell is going on with arsenal?

    Have we signed a deal with barca to flog one of our top players to them every summer?

    Can we call ourselves competitive if a guaranteed first team player wants to leave even if he’s to get lesser playing chances at barca?

    Is wenger now experimenting with arsenal just coz he’s got 2 years left on his contract?

    Is Gazidis doing sittups while sunctioning for player sales while on some holiday?

    Is this the team we want, selling players every time as long as we can replace them?

    Though yes, we are gonna destroy sunderland tomorrow, that i’m sure about.

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  26. I have an feeling based on last many years that Arsenal will rely on the Coq and Frimpong (both entering their better years) as their Defensive Midfielders and Sahin is a creative option who has nothing to do with the position.

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  27. I seriously don’t understand footballers…Surely he must know that he’s never going to be first choice at Barca, he’s replacing Keita who was never even assured of his spot on the bench!? He’s definitely going to regret this in the long run

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  28. Midfield Corporal

    Andrew Allens articles have recently taken on a tabloid style where the headline declares something as fact, when in reality He has just construed what Arsene said to mean something.

    I haven’t seen the presser but I can imagine Arsene being asked if we are signing Sahin and letting song go, shrugging his shoulders and saying ‘both can happen’. To me that’s a maybe, maybe not, it’s possible, let’s see, if all the stars are in allignment it could happen. It’s not the definitive ‘Song is set to leave for Barca’ that the article states, unless AW said something that isnt reported. I’ve had enough of tabloid hacks and Talksport creating hysteria around our club for years, we don’t need one of our own doing it.

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  29. Very smart of Song to leave now. Without RVP, who is going to convert those hollywood passes from him to make him look good? Dust away the Song-RVP combo and let’s enjoy and admire the msemerizing inter-changing passes from Arteta-Cazorla-Anyone.

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  30. I will wager any amount of money that song does not complete 100 first team starts for barca even if he stays there for the next 30 years bring on nuri or yann
    We will be the complete unit. pace flair intelligence steel the good times are nearly back

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  31. I’m sorry that my headlines don’t match your high expectations. However, if Song doesn’t leave Arsenal before the end of the current transfer deadline day, I’ll happily give up writing articles for Arseblog News.

    What Wenger said today was tantamount to him opening the door and kicking Song out. It’s done and dusted.

    As for Sahin? “He is one of the players we follow” – I’d suggest that he’s not following the guy just to ask him if he fancies a cup of tea and a chat. He wants him to play for Arsenal.

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    • Okay then song you better leave.
      I take @AAllensport.

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      • Also, I dont know if it means something, but Song wasn’t in the training session pictures today

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    • Midfield Corporal

      Sorry Andrew, don’t want to upset you as I generally enjoy your articles, just saying this piece makes an assumption that I don’t really see.maybe I’m just being precious and it’s my time of the month (two days before the season KO’s and we start flogging our best players). Come on, sing together ‘make friends, make friends, never ever break friends ………’ :-)

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      • No worries. I don’t take these things personally…I’m just a fan who writes these things up as they happen and as I see it. Press conference reporting is pretty hectic and sometimes in the rush to publish articles it’s difficult to step back and analyse word for word what Wenger is saying. Everything that is published is done so in good faith…promise.

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  32. From a footballing point of view this makes little sense. Song, whether you view him as an authentic DM or not, is still one of our most valuable players.

    From a financial point of view £15M isn’t a substantial figure either. Unless that is, you’re an Arsenal board member dressed like the bloke on the Monopoly box lighting fat cigars with even fatter wads of £50 notes.

    The only factor that might be the determining one is that the player, himself, wants to be part of the fading Barcelona mythology – that he might be suffering from RvP Syndrome.

    As for Sahin. I’ll believe it when I see it. The malignant Mourinho doesn’t want him to join Arsenal over Liverpool, and I expect ‘the pompous one’ to get his way.

    So here’s the scenario we’re in. Arsene Wenger, having learned the lessons from last summer’s transfer window clusterfuck, gets in Podolski, Giroud, and Cazorla to cover ourselves from any ‘late summer surprises’. (Yea!). We’re all optimistic that we now have an ambitious striker combination that includes RvP plus the new boys. (Again with the ‘Yea!’) RvP leaves and Song is about to follow suit. (Not so ‘Yea!’ … in fact, more of a WTF!)

    Wenger then says ‘that’s your lot’ when it comes to strikers as, contrary to anything you may have heard previously, recruitment’s over. (WTF!)

    Now, on the eve of our first match of the season, Song appears off to TapasLand and we have no replacement fit, integrated, or chomping at a bit of any discernible note. (WTF! WTF! WTF!)

    Two weeks before the TW shuts on our bandaged fingers, we’re potentially without a proper defensive midfielder. (Song could still play against Sunderland, of course, but .. )

    Now, here’s the real problem. Song is our only proper fit for that position. Diaby can slot in, Coquelin can slot in, but both with accompanying caveats. In fact, many of us were getting rather excited not so long ago that an authentic DM was being sought to complement Song. (In retrospect, I still find that rather endearing.)

    Add into all this the notable accomplishment that has Arsenal topping the Premier League injury table even before a ball has been biffed in earnest, and you see how little things have changed season-to-season.

    Koscielny is injured and won’t play. Theo, AOC, and Cazorla are all speculative doubts-stroke-maybes. Any word on Arteta? Did anyone have the wherewithal to ask?

    Of course it’s not problem for a club like Arsenal with its ‘massive squad’ and everything. But. AW really needs to get a competent PR assistant. He may well be the greatest manager we’ve ever had, and better that just about anyone with a pulse, but … ‘Yea!’ to ‘WTF’ in the space of 24 hours isn’t exactly a slide he should be proud of.

    Beating the crap out of Sunderland, on the other hand, would make the world an altogether different place.

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  33. Looks like we are clearing the decks of all players who may be angling to leave in next few years. If we can build a squad of committed players who want to be there then I think it bodes well and will maybe reduce some of the negativity surrounding the club- I am so tired of players constantly been linked with moving away to other clubs (as AW must be also). Best get it out of the way in one go. We have the makings of a very good squad if we add the right players- you would have to think Wenger has money to reinvest and there is no better manager when he actually has some money to build a team. I am more excited for the future than i have been in quite a while.

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  34. If Wenger sells Song, he’s basically trolling his own fans.

    Reminds me of the Arshavin for Chamberlain substitution.

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  35. I don’t understand why there are so many of us saying we shouldn’t sell this player and that player. Why can’t we for once trust Wenger to make the right decision?? Obviously for a manager who’s been in the job for gazillion years to even agree to enter negotiations to sell a player who has 2/3/whatever number of years on his contract, there has to be something going on behind the scenes no? I don’t think we’re that financially strapped that we’d agree to sell Song just because Barca came asking.

    As much as we’d like to be in the know, not everything will be revealed to the public! That’s the case in any organisation isn’t it?

    He was a good player – somewhat frustrating at times – but did his job on the pitch. If he has his heart set on a move/head turned by an offer elsewhere then wouldn’t it be better to let him go than keep him in the squad? This isn’t fantasy football where the player still gives 100% after learning of another club’s interest in him. I’m not assuming Song will perform unprofessionally but then again you never know.

    So let’s just stay a little calmer and place some faith in the people who make the decisions at the club shall we? Can’t wait for the football to start!

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  36. As others have pointed out, the reason Wenger is willing to let Song go, must be that he gives the ball away too many times in crucial areas. (One example: the 3-3 equalizer against Norwich.) A player in his position simply can´t do that, so we need someone who doesn´t give the ball away so often. Sahin is exactly that.

    So while I was a bit shocked about Song leaving at first, now I can see the reasoning behind it. Suppose our midfield trio would be Sahin, Arteta and Cazorla. Three players who never lose the ball. To me it would be pretty amazing midfield.

    As for Song´s great assists last season, well, we have Santi, Arteta, Ox, Podolski, Wilshere and others. Let the DM do his job, and the creating midlfielders theirs.

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  37. Personally I won’t mind selling Song to Barca whatsoever, but he’ll always have a special place in my Arsenal memories. If nothing else for the beautiful through ball he hit for Thierry Henry’s return (I’ve completely blocked out the RVP volleys).

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  38. I don’t mind Siong leaving providing we get a better player as replacement for his position.

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  39. Song is the best ‘box-to-box’ midfielder in the Premier League. Why? Why are you doing this Arsene? This feels like a stab to the heart, whereas the RVP sale felt like a mosquito bite.

    Don’t tell me Song cannot defend… I’ve watched all 38 Arsenal EPL matches last year, and I can count at least two dozen times the opponent striker was inside our penalty box with the ball, dangerously on the verge of scoring, and MAGICALLY, Song appears and steals the ball away.

    Not to mention the ‘killer passes’ he made to assist his teammates goals… RVP would not have won the Golden Boot without Song. How about the thrilling 94th minute Vermalen goal against Liverpool at Emirates? Walcott got the assist, but it was Song who moved the ball from box to box to make it all possible.

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  40. cant say i didn't see it comin!

    as much as i would like to have sahin in our team, i cant really see him being the physically imposing presence on the field as song is, and to be honest getting another player with slightly better passing range than song is not exactly a solution for such position, i’d reckon a proper out n out good ol’ defensive mid with enough strength to last without injury while being in the team week in week out. song’s creative side to the game is a bonus! hate to lose song! especially in the same transfer window as van persie!

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  41. Who’s next, Theo?

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    • Midfield Corporal

      Probably, if he won’t sign a contract then get rid, shame as he has the potential but obviously not the commitment.

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    • I agree, it’s weird that’s gone under the radar.
      Maybe if we get Sahin, Rodgers might come knocking? Theo has costs us a hell of a lot of time, money and frustration to leave on a free.

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  42. Have to say I agree with about half (seems to be an even split!) that we do need a DM if Song leaves. I think most people agree he is quality but not a DM, just the best DM we have. Sahin is good (only on loan though remember – and think Jose will make him go ‘pool), but we do need a proper DM, because of the way we play. United cope without it because they play 4-4-2 and their wide men track back well, whereas Podolski and Walcott won’t be asked to much (and in Theo’s case are incapable of it anyway).

    If we don’t get a solid DM we’re f*cked. Hate to say it but to say we can get by with a midfield without one is delusional considering how open we are on the counter even with Song. Personally I’m not too sure about M’vila, his name is mentioned a lot but can’t comment as haven’t seen him.

    I’d like Nigel de Jong – I know, I know. Hear me out. He’ll be cheap (less than £10m), experienced in prem, has technique (Ajax), is tactically disciplined and a winner’s mentality – which we do need.

    Feel free to slate me

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  43. I am gonna miss singing “we’ve only got one song” but if he wants to warm a barca bench I don’t want him on my team. It like having a dog that bites you or a bird that shags all your mates.. Loyality to the cause is what counts and I want commited passionate winners wearing my teams colours this year , ready to play sexy football with aggression and a do or die mentality sadly lacking since Adams and co ground out one nils

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  44. Words on Twitter says that Wenger has been ‘disgusted’ with Song’s attitude of late. This is why he’s been allowed to leave.

    Acceptable reason imo. Nobody is bigger than Wenger.

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    • That’s almost a stupid as your screen name, give me one example where Song has ever behaved like TGPTHEL?

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      • People are jumping on this attitude rumour bandwagon as a reason to hate Song. but in every game ive ever watched he’s always given 100%. And he seems well liked in the squad too.

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      • Hey it was AfcAmden on twitter who said it. He confirmed that Wilshere would get the number 10 shirt 3 days before the site announced it, so he’s reliable.

        I’ve got nothing against Song as a player and his on-field attitude. I always thought he was a very likeable guy. But after Robin van Cunty’s betrayal, my impression of almost every footballer has been put into question.

        Therefore, I don’t find it hard to believe that Song did something stupid with the advice of Darren Dein to piss off Arsene.

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  45. Wojciech Szczesny is actually slightly bigger

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  46. Well we won’t have to wait long to see how we function without Song, as he has a “slight knock” and will not play against Sunderland. I fully expect us to stuff them, but should be interesting i’d imagine with diaby starting alongside Arteta.

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    • The ever obvious “knock” that keeps players out while a fee is negotiated. I really wish the managers would tell it like it is.

      Santi & Lans.. I mean Diaby or Arteta will handle the midfield just fine.

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  47. Enjoyed the. comments, but am struggling to reconcile the box-to-box creative dynamo from what I saw over the last few years. My main memories of Song will be watching him get caught upfield and casually ambling back while the other team broke away. Like a few players we have had recently, he always looked like he couldn’t care less to me. Arteta is twice the player and carried the midfield last year. Been here 1yr but acts like it means something.

    I would get Song on a plane before someone from Barca gets around to watching more than his YouTube compilation.

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    • waitressinthesky

      Arteta was without a doubt our most important midfielder last season. Honestly, I bet he and Cazorla will start as our midfielders — along with Diaby? — and that wouldn’t be a bad thing. Throw Podolski, Giroud and maybe Gervinho up top and we may have a potent strike force. (Could throw the Ox into the mix as well.)

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  48. Song isn’t nearly good enough to act like an arrogant prat.

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  49. I have mixed feelings about this one.

    Yes, Song does misplace the ball and can be defensively all over the place, but he is hoenstly higher up the pecking order than many of the other players we have in the squad.

    Song> Ramsey, Coq, Diaby, Frimpong and probably Rosicky too.
    The only midfielder on par in significance to the team are Arteta and the untested Carzorla, Song is far more reliable than Gervinho and Walcott is we bring the wide players in too.

    It doesn’t make sense to sell him and keep many of the others it really doesn’t, especially the nearest alternative Diaby.

    And I don’t know where all the Song hate is coming from, he’s never acted a tool and worked harder than pretty much any other player to improve into the player he is today.

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  50. Rajesh Mahadevan

    If Song goes that would be a big blow. He is very versatile and creates a lot of situations for goals.

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  51. What next after Sahin’s 1 year? Maybe it would make better sense if he was signing a permanent deal. But then again, I’m no Wenger.

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  52. I totally agree with Andrew, Arsenal need to strengthen the squad with premiership proven players not with players who may need time to bed in and get used to the physical aspect of the premier league, look at Man U , they are getting a premiership proven worldclass goalscorer in RVP, we have to do the same a Dembele or Tiote proven solid prem ballers. I don’t see why we should be getting players that a great manager like Mourinho doesn’t want., its ridiculous, that is not to say that the player is not good, but if he’s not good enough for Mourinho then he shouldn’t be good enough for Arsene.

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  53. Apparently Ox has been moved to central midfield. That’s what I’m most excited to see

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  54. Song can head for the hills, appears to me like he’s another getting too big for his boots. If we keep him this summer you can be guaranteed there will be a long protracted transfer saga next year, he’s already started laying the foundations “I’m happy at Arsenal….but Barcelona are the best team in the world”…. I say good on you Arsene get rid now and show him and the rest of the players that only committed ones deserve to wear the jersey.

    If we end up getting Sahin we will be playing without a big strong midfielder, instead we will have three more mobile ball playing midfielders, all of which can cover for eachother…akin to the Dortmund team of two years ago with Sahin, Goetze, and Bender who played the type of football that Arsene has always wanted to.

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    • i don’t understand why he’s getting to big for his boots? He hasn’t demanded money like Flamini, he hasn’t released statements asking for a move. As far as we can see he is 100% committed. But lets acknowledge he had a great season, he’s on a fairly low wage, so lets reward, lest another club comes in for him. Oh, wait. It’s already happened.

      Can three mobile midfielders work? This is the premier league now, not the bundesliga. I think most would be comfortable with a truly defensive midfielder even if it isn’t Alex Song. Whatever happens it’ll be interesting!

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      • Regarding Song, just going on various reports from people who have more of an insight than most e.g. arseblog and tim stillman…may have been a few more…
        I’m not sure if the three mobile midfielders will work either expecially without a rock-solid defense but it is the model that I think Arsene wants to try…if three more mobile midfielders are committed enough they can be quicker at closing down space when we don’t have the ball…I could be completely wrong but if Song is being replaced by Sahin then I would think he wants to play along those lines…

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  55. I really want more clarity from the club about our economy and where our money goes and how they are used. I would also like a more open Arsenal where they actually care about the fans opinions and tell us their future plans and why our best players keep leaving without being properly replaced. They must know how most of us feel but I dont think the board or Kroenke cares one bit about us until the we withhold what they want, our money.

    I am not an English, London Gooner and everytime I`m off to see my beloved Gunners, (about four times a year, sometimes more depending on household economy), I fork out about 1500 pounds for hotel and tickets. On top of that comes the flight, the Arsenal merchandise, the food and so on… At home I pay about 15 pounds for every single Arsenal game on TV, home and away and I watch them all (my wife thinks I`m a looney and maybe I am). I`m also a member of “Arsenal player” and two fan clubs. When I spend that kind of money I would like to have some clarity on where they go.

    Today I just feel lost and I have no idea in what state our finances are. We make money on player and propertysales but without that it feels like the club would be in the red. If so I would like the club to come out and say that. It`s better to be open than closed.

    I think the sale of Song is to balance the books. Maybe we will replace him with Sahin, a player on loan. I dont think we have any money to replace Song that`s why we are looking for a loan deal. But reports in spain claim the mugsmashers have agreed a deal for him and that cunt in Real hates Wenger. Sahin is by the way not what we need. We need a physical presence in the middle or our injury prone midfield will be a walkover for knuckledragging teams like Stoke.

    The RCP money are already spent on his replacements, that was not his replacements…. Without the RCP sale I think we would be deep in the red financially.

    After Song we will sell Walcott and make another profit this year but I dont know why we are so desperate to have money in the bank? If we have any.

    Well thank you for letting me get this of my chest I see you all on saturday 29/9.

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  56. Way the thumbs don on this one? He makes a very valid point! How are the economy in arsenal? Can we buy without selling?

    And dont slander the oversea supporters! Without them we would be just another sunderland, Newcastle or

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  57. As far as i know Song hasnt said anything about him wanting to go to barca?

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  58. Well he’s gone according to reputable Arsenal supporters on Twitter. Shit. M’Vila and Sahin then please.

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  59. In reality Sahin will come in on a season loan, so no transfer fee there…
    And Coquiln will be used as a back up. When wilshere is fit Sahin will be benched, and leave next season. All and all we will have made a net profit this summer from transfers, so NO our philosophy has not changed.

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  60. I think this is a mistake. With Song having having three years left on his contract, Wenger should have raised his first three fingers in Barcelona’s direction and said, “Read between the lines, gentlemen.” Losing Song will have a negative impact on us. (Plus I will miss whatever tonsorial surprise he has for us each week.)

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    • Agreed entirely.

      If Song wants to leave and Barca wnat him I think we are in a position to play hardball.

      We could encourage Barca to take him in a year at a lesser price,say 18m….(I’m not sure why Songis being so low @15m) as an exchange for the MOU and they can have a further discount on him next summer if he performs well (set a goal and strike off annother 3m on the price for them if he meets say 6 assists and 6 goals, certain number of appearances)

      We can then tell Song to knuckle down to a good year to prove his worth to Barca, bring in Sahin on loan and let him learn the ropes.

      Otherwise to me, this deal is completely daft and inexcusable. Song has 3 years left on contract for goodness sakes man! What is the rush?

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  61. I don’t want to see us concede a goal on the counterattack thanks to a flubbed hollywood pass ever-a-fucking-gain. There are more reliable CMs.

    Or was he a CB? I’m not even sure he or TV5 could tell you.

    So, fine. On balance it seems a better deal for AFC than Barca.

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  62. Hold on a sec, why is everyone saying Sahin can’t defend? Before that big cunt up in madrid and injury derail his career, he had one of the best tackling percentages,high successful passing percentages and loads of assist for Dortmund, all hallmarks of a good DM. He is a very intelligent player who knows when to defend when to attack. You put him in midfield alongside Arteta/Wilshere and Cazorla opponents will have difficulty getting the ball back.

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    • he can but its a bit naff to suggest he can come in at this late and intergrate seemless ly with our back 4 and Arteta where as there is an establlished relationship with Song.

      we are sending out just the message RVP was trying to idict us on.

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  63. We need to get both Sahin an M’Vila. M’Vila is the permanent move and Sahin is only a loan move. Let Sahin come in and mentor M’Vila and Coq. That would be one impressive dm duo for the future. We need to consider next season.

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    • It won’t matter.

      Replacing Song at this late stage leaves no space for the two new players to familiarise themselves with the back 4 or Arteta. It’s simply mental.

      It will be a month or two down before they can even be in sync with the rest of the team.

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  64. Show me our fit, physical midfielder to replace Song.. You know the kind that won’t get pushed over by players like yaya toure.

    Oh that’s right, we don’t have one.

    Selling Song is a mistake. This arsenal team is unrecognisable.

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  65. This one worried me far more than RVP.

    I fail to see the efficacy of this move if it happens and am not quite sure what the rush is.

    1) Song is on contract with us till 2015. Surely we are in a position to put our foot down on this one if need be. Conisdering the proximity of start of season, it makes no sense to try and replace the key clog in midfield this late on. It will IMO run us risk again. I don’t think we can find ANYONe to come in so late and be able to fit in immediately where Song has established a sound familiarity with Arteta and the back 4. Trouble has been given an unecessary invitation.

    Even if we wanted to bring in say Sahin (which would ony be a stop gap loan) we will have to revisit the issue down the road whilst risking him settling into the team at a late stage again thereby risking our start.

    2) If we had wanted to move Song on, it would have made sense to conclude his replacement before his departure. In this case with the close of window fast approaching, we are risking selling clubs holding us to hostage on price and forgoing our customary Wenger discount.

    3) Whilst there has been reasons behind more recent high profile departures that are to some extent outside our orbit of control, this one seems to enchance player’s power and run the risk of setting an unhealthy precedence for other like minded individuals to follow at behest of agents not far down the road. It will also go some ways in vindicating RVP’s thoughts on our ambition not to mention the many naysayers who consider us a sell on club.

    I’m not quite sure what sort of duress Song is exercising on wenger t this point but I would think it sensible for us to stand firm on this one.

    Having said that, if relations are strained somewhat I would at very least consider concluding a MOU with Barca for his sale a season down at a special price (say for arguments sake 15m) to be increased to 18m based on player’s performance in the season.

    Wenger seems of the opinion (and I am not sure how much is PR) that we have enough options in midfield. We are definately carrying numbers in this department but OTOH it is painfully obvious that we are running the risk of losing arguable the ONLY defensive minded individual (the fragile Diaby apart) in midfield with Song’s departure.

    We should strongly consider keeping Song for another season (with encouragement to perform built into ap pre-agreed fee with Barca) and at the same time add Sahin on loan with option to buy a season down.

    To me that is the only thing that makes sense at the moment if we were to sell on at this stage.

    Otherwise, I am not sure what the rush is in selling him even if he exhibits the petulance of an overfriendly Barton hugging Lollipop man. Kick some sense into him and hold him to contract.

    I was somewhat dissapointed to see RVP go but prepared. I will be very angry to see Song go because it is entirely in our control and imperative for us to establish control over the said player particularly with 3 years left on contract.

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  66. is diaby not bigger than song?

    Arteta came in on deadline day and had no problem settling in.

    Is it possible that theo’s new contract is done and dusted but the club are waiting to get rid of rvp and song before announcing it as a boost to morale?

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    • Diaby is as we know it injury prone.

      We are taking a risk.. Arteta may have settled but we had other options for him. where as what Song does in front of the back 4 for us cannot be easily replicated at the moment.

      + 15m is a steal for someone with 3 years left on contract.

      What signal are we sending out? That you can not only turn the heads of our big players with a year left on contract but any of our players whenever and for not much money.

      Doesn’t sound a wise course of action to me considering.

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