Downbeat Wenger pays Bayern tribute


Arsene Wenger has praised the ‘class’ of Bayern Munich and admits it’s almost impossible for Arsenal to progress any further in this season’s Champions League.

A 3-1 home defeat means Arsenal must score three goals without reply in the second leg, and given the German’s defensive efficiency that’s unlikely to happen.

“Let’s not hide the truth: it will be extremely difficult against a team of that quality,” he said.

“They didn’t play two finals in the last three years without that quality that we have seen tonight.

“We have to give our best there and hope that everything will go for us and hope that by the second leg we have built our confidence up a bit more to go into the game with the belief that will be needed.”

And although Arsenal went down, it wasn’t quite as tepid as it was against Blackburn last weekend.

“I think we had a good response today, the players gave absolutely everything. We played against a side who have no doubt at all.

“They have a history in the last six months where everything is positive and you could see as well that every player is confident to play with full power. That’s not completely our case at the moment. But things change sometimes quickly in three weeks, so let’s hope we can do it.

“Bayern is a quality side who can beat anybody in Europe. On top of that, we lack a bit of confidence, like at the moment. That makes them even better.”


    • I look at you because you say this, I don’t look at him. Are you looking at me while I’m looking at you?

      You are not looking at me! then you have one intention: to harm.

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      • Is it? You thought we can get through Bayern, who not only have players far superior than ours, but are also on an amazing run?
        I’ve said it the moment when we drawn them: If we don’t strengthen considerably in January, we’ll be kicked out of the competition relatively easily.
        Strengthen we did not, kicked out we are.

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      • @chair – I thought we had a shot at getting something against Bayern as we might turn up for the big games instead of behaving like we’ve already won (Blackburn). Squad against Blackburn was decent, you can’t ask your first XI to play every game in every competition, other squad players have to step up when they get rotated in which is why I don’t think he sacrificed the FA cup, he did however prioritise the CL.

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    • He didn’t sacrifise it, we had a team full of internationals, if the squad cannot beat Blackburn we might as well give up.

      Wenger was at fault but not beause of team selection.

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      • This is exactly how I feel as well. The team that we put out against Blackburn should have been able to get the job done. Blackburn are dire, and we fielded a team mostly made up of experienced internationals.

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  1. Bodes well for the rest of the rest of the season.

    Villa are either in big trouble or about to ease their way further out of a relegation battle.

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    • Oh come on, would you all really have been happy if he had played the first XI Saturday and a B side tonight? You’d be going on about Wenger losing the plot, his marbles, etc.

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      • Exactly what sir balls said. And before you say that our best players need a rest and can’t play every 3 days – that’s Arsene’s fault for not buying anyone at all to rotate them.

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      • Yes I would have, for a simple fact that I know who have at least 60% chance of winning the FA and 2% of winning the champions league

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      • He should of played his best XI for BOTH games. What’s all this fucking crap about ‘resting’ players anyway? Do you see the likes of Messi or thick necked Ronaldo ‘rested’? Ever? Wenger has no fucking idea. Never has, Never fucking will.

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    • To be fair, the squad that played against Blackburn should have won without our three supposedly best players playing in the second half.

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    • Enough with all this “cup we could win” last time i checked man u, man city and chelsea are all still in and we haven’t looked like beating any of them this season.

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      • That’s why they call it a draw, sir balls. It’s not like it was pre set that, milwall vs Arsenal/bb. We could have drawn united away as well

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    • Perhaps he thought beating bayern then getting knocked out later anyways in the quarter finals was more of a trophy than you know….the real F.A CUP TROPHY!

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    • he picked a strong side against blackburn. they were far superior on paper and in terms of ability to their opponents. criticise him for not motivating them to do better etc in that game, but not for the selection. if he played wilshere twice in 4 days and wilshere got injured, you’d no doubt be one of the first to jump on the bandwagon demanding his head for running our starlet into the ground. criticise him where it’s due but, ffs, be proportionate…

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    • also quality and chemistry too. bayern looks like a proper team. they seem to know what their teammates are going to do, on top of that they had precision.
      while for us, it seems like a team just train to be fit and practise play like kids at a playground without any instructions, allowing individuals to express themselves, force to make decisions by themselves.

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      • Fabregas confirmed in an interview that there was never any tactical studies or discussions at Arsenal. It’s also an established fact that Wenger never so much as watches his opponents. He watches a lot of videos though. Probably porn.

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    • One tactically naive side vs one tactically disciplined side. I said it when the draws were made, that this Bayern side is more dangerous than Barca. I saw it, why did the players and managers not see the same thing? Bayern is not unbeatable but you have to concentrate for 90 minutes to beat them.

      Unfortunately as early as the 8th minute we had already crumbled. Sad

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  2. There comes a time when you just have to say we were beaten fair and square by a much better team. Boys worked their arses off today. Let’s hope they continue to do that for the remainder of the season.

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    • Sorry but that first goal was lazy covering by TV5, and the second was shocking defending from the corner for a free header from five yards. Those small, little things are our downfall. The ten minutes of excellence in the second half, the positive talk form the manager, the honest hardworking display the rest of the game – are not enough to make us win and win well consistently.

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      • Let’s be fair here. The most shocking piece of comedy defending in the game was by Bayern for our goal.

        Poldi looked utterly confused when the ball arrived with “Please put me into the open net” written on it and he realised that the entire Bayern defence was stood in a clump by the near post.
        Made me laugh anyway.

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  3. i’d rather be in the CL then win the FA cup every time… but wenger was stubborn and didn’t buy this January when it was obvious to everyone that we needed a striker a centre back and mostly a defensive mid… cheap cheap fucking cheap….

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    • Short term maybe, but people forget the basic reason we are supposed to take part in the CL – to compete for it. Obviously you need to be in the CL to be able to complete, but taking part isn’t a success in itself, just like it isn’t a success being in the Premiership instead of the Championship. Especially not for a Club boasting a 60k seater stadium charging the highest prices and paying top wages to the players.

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    • i rather we be in the cl and win the fa or carling cup to stop the long trophy draught and instill abit more belief in the team.
      But if i had to choose i would choose the latter. obviously, the CL is a much more prestigious tournament, however, realistically, its 10 times harder than other tournaments and with our current squad our chances are really paper thin.

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    • For me, this is the most important point that can be taken from the game. And Bayern are far better than any Premiership team, imo

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    • 100% mate. With the players we have. It shows we are 3+ player’s behind a top side. Which we have been since the 2007. Although a weaker squadthan this beat barca.

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      • BARCA
        53 Szczesny
        06 Koscielny
        20 Djourou
        22 Clichy
        27 Eboue
        04 Fabregas
        08 Nasri
        14 Walcott
        17 A Song
        19 Wilshere
        10 Van Persie
        01 Almunia, 18 Squillaci, 28 Gibbs, 07 Rosicky, 15 Denilson, 23 Arshavin, 52 Bendtner

        01 Szczesny
        03 Sagna
        04 Mertesacker
        05 Vermaelen Booked
        06 Koscielny
        08 Arteta Booked
        10 Wilshere
        14 Walcott
        16 Ramsey
        19 Cazorla
        09 Podolski
        24 Mannone
        25 Jenkinson
        02 Diaby
        07 Rosicky
        15 Oxlade-Chamberlain
        22 Coquelin
        12 Giroud

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  4. Getting tired of all the negativity around the club these days from the results on the pitch to the fans off it…. Oh well, looking forward to a Poldilicious win on Saturday

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    • Miami Hurricane – Right, let’s just get behind the team and support them NO MATTER WHAT. Let’s sweep all our troubles under the carpet and pretend they haven’t happened. After all, there’s always the NEXT game to “look forward to”. Ignorance and denial won’t sort anything out, will it ? ACTIONS speak louder than words. What about boycotting games, refusing to buy food and drinks at the ground, not buying merchandise, signing petitions, joining or organising protest marches, chanting ‘Wenger Out.” at half time and full time* ( *so as not to harm the poor players fragile egos ).

      Gazidis has said “Only the fans will decide Wenger’s future.” So it’s up to US if we want to see our team progress, and restore some hope of better times.

      ” In Arsene we rust.”

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      • Wesley Sneijder (I dont give a fuck about his wages if Theo Wallet is on 100k a week and Podolskinvisible is on 90k.) Alexandre Pato (yes injury worries but we all know a skunk who overcame his injury problems).Loic Remy, Demba Ba, Lucio, Michel Bastos, Lucas (yes PSG would have outbidded us but we still could have tried), Yann M’Vila, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Mathie Debuchy. These are mostly realistic transfers who I would be happy to see at Arsenal. But as a “big” club we should be making moves happen not saying “oh look nobody moved anyway”. Plus, the real damage was done in the summer.

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      • Forgot to add Moussa Sissoko. Less than £2m. Outstanding so far for Newcastle. Lewis Holtby, less than a mil. Damiao wanted out of Brazil.

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      • Name some players we could have signed in the January window ? Diame would have been a better option at defensive midfield than the makeshift Ramsey. We’re the fifth richest club in Europe ( or the world ? ) – but I guess we couldn’t afford 3.5 million for him, could we ?

        And Demba Ba. An obvious addition, and a bargain at 7.5 million. But not deemed good enough by Wenger. Instead we rely on having only ONE recognised centre forward at our club in Giroud . Sensible management ? Good contingency planning ? What do you think ?

        ” In Arsene we rust.”

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  5. Bayern are no mugs – quite the opposite – and we’ve seen better Arsenal sides lose to worse sides than them in the CL (mainly those fuckin Wembley games – Lens anyone?).

    So fuck the 2nd leg for now, let’s get 3pts against Villa and get another shot at this fuckin cup again next year.

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    • I don’t want 4th. It’s like sloppy seconds. If that’s all we have to cling on for, fuck it I don’t want anything. Let’s go full on mid table, not delude ourselves further by trying to get into a competition we’d never win in a million years.

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      • Wenger doesn’t deserve 4th place, but unfortunately Arsenal needs the CL.
        If this season doesn’t make him change his way, then he needs to leave before things get even worse.

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      • Mooro – ” Maybe you’re right. It’s worked out well for Liverpool after all.”

        Yes it did, actually. They WON the Champions League in 2005.

        From Wikipedia – ” Liverpool faced six-time European champions Milan in the final at the Atatürk Stadium in Istanbul on 25 May 2005. Trailing 3–0 at half-time, they scored three goals in a six-minute spell in the second half to level the score at 3–3. There were no goals during extra time, so the match was decided by a penalty shoot-out. With the shoot-out score at 3–2, Liverpool goalkeeper Jerzy Dudek saved Andriy Shevchenko’s penalty to give Liverpool victory. The nature of Liverpool’s comeback victory has led to the match being referred to as the “miracle of Istanbul”. As this was the club’s fifth European Cup victory, Liverpool were allowed to keep the European Champion Clubs’ Cup permanently, and a new trophy was commissioned for the following year’s competition. ”

        Look up Liverpool’s record in Europe. In the SAME TIME PERIOD that Wenger has been at Arsenal, Liverpool have made the semi final of the Cup Winners Cup, won the UEFA Cup and the UEFA Super Cup ( twice ), won the Champions League ( 2005 ) and runners up in 2006-7, semi finalists in 2007-8,

        ( and in addition were runners up in the FIFA World Club Cup ).

        And all this with the same or less resources than us.

        ” In Arsene we rust.”

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    • Man I must be delusional. I tried to thumbs down this more than once. So…”fan”…you can have an opinion of him. Hell I don’t believe in his tactical ability like I used to…but telling him to “Fuck Off” is hardly merited for a man who has BLED for this club and his principles. He merits respect…or at least not having shite written about him from someone with the intellect of a baboon who was taught English. Why don’t you offer something constructive next time.

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      • I think you’re being a little generous there. If a baboon were intelligent enough to learn English he’d probably be worth listening to. This wittering cretin isn’t fit to carry the baboon’s book bag.

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      • Speaking of primates, they say ‘ If you pay peanuts you get monkeys.” We pay our manager 7.5 million pounds in salary and bonuses, but we still have a monkey !

        ” In Arsene we rust.”

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  6. We havnt evolved in europe since the final in 06.United smashed us home and away.Pool smashed us at Anfield,Milan smashed us at the san siro and now Bayern…..we are the also rans of europe what an utter,utter,utter disgrace.

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    • yeah what an utter disgrace to… have not won the champions league yet?

      everyone wants to win, everyone has their tactics. wenger’s far from perfect but he’s come consistently closer than most, and in a way that’s been (perhaps a little too) financially stable and through some beautiful, positive football.

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  7. Bayern had a “no fuckin way you are gonna score” attitude that was reminiscent of the one our invincibles had, once upon a time. Painfully reminiscent

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  8. Kroos missile shot us out the water when it looked like we’d got off to a good start. 0-2 at half time and I predicted that exact outcome; a spirited reply but lacking the quality to fulfill the comeback. Sad times for gooners everywhere. I really hope we can resurrect our season and get Champions League football next year and BUILD for next year. Overall a resounding 🙁 in an overall 🙁 season.

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  9. I tink if u hav a gud team, u won’t sacrify any trophy 4 oda, pls guys 2 be honest dis is wat u get when u’ver u sold ur experience players n u fail 2 refuel ur tank..

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    • @Tomsy, what language is that? Google translate is having as hard of a time reading it as I am.

      As for the match, Arsenal played well for large stretches especially in the second half. Unfortunately it shows the truth about the squad. Even when they play at 100% we do not have the quality to compete with the elite clubs of Europe.

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    • Excuse me while I get my translator. I look at you and wonder, can’t he type proper english? You have one intention….to harm.

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  10. there comes a time when we have to be honest with ourselves and stop being so precious and illusionary. This team is either not good enough or we have too much lofty expectations that we need to scale down abit.either way my head is still aching.

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    • It’s pretty clear that the fans’ expectations exceed the club’s expectations. I’ve mentioned before that the club made a decision several years ago to sacrifice (or at least reduce) its ability to challenge realistically for silverware for the short to medium term, in order to secure the club’s long-term financial standing. That is why it moved to the Emirates, that is why it locked in its commercial deals for ten years, and that is why the club has been selling players so that the football business breaks even.

      The club has, perhaps understandably, never explained the strategy that way. Instead – perhaps eager to please the fans – it insists that it wants the team to challenge for trophies, that it wants to win the league, and so on.

      In reality, I think the club is exactly where you would expect it to be given the complete lack of investment for the past six or seven years. Arsenal has, extraordinarily, made a net profit on transfers since the move to the Emirates. Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd and Sp*rs have made a net spend (Man City has spent something like half a billion pounds net). If you looked at those numbers alone, you could be forgiven for wondering why Arsenal wasn’t doing worse than it currently is…

      To get back to your point, I do think fans are entitled to feel disappointed with how things have gone in the last few years, all up. Given how much success Wenger brought to the club in his first eight years, it’s a big ask to ask the fans to scale down their expectations to the point of being satisfied/relieved with scraping in the top four. But it’s also important to appreciate some of these broader issues about Arsenal’s strategy and ambitions.

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  11. He must say that now>why he didn’t buy plays in January transfer window knowing that he’ll meet such quality club??Old man you have to accept the critism that you have lost all your football pillosophy>which not seen only from the Fans,but even your players>They just can’t come out and say it#LEAVE OUR CLUB FOR FUCK SAKE#

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  12. As poor as arsenal were first half bayern were very good . No more than expected really. Jack W obviously gonna be THE man. Lot to do still this season. Hope the club can really back whoevers in charge next season.

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  13. Bayern didn’t even break sweat. Tactical fucking joke. The only reason Arsenal scored is because it got so fucking easy for them they virtually fell asleep. Then they thought we need another goal, better get one – so they did.


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  14. Please Wenger, from someone who respects and appreciates everything you’ve down for this club, if you truly love this club you’ll step down and take a seat on the board. Please, it’s time to realize that nothing lasts forever. If you truly love this club you will step down at the end of the season and try to help the club from a boardroom perspective.

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  15. People need to stop complaing and act like cunts, suppprt them even in these dark moments and get behind the team. By bitching online it will not help the situation, be positive and sunny days will come…

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    • Ah, yes, let’s be “positive”, Jin. And being positive without any kind of plan to go with it will accomplish what, exactly ? Well, more results like Bradford, Blackburn and Bayern. What did “being positive” and “getting behind / supporting the team” achieve there ? It’s not the fans who are at fault. It’s the players, who happen to be a reflection of the manager. If they’re not given proper coaching, tactical instructions, and a motivational game plan, we’ll get more of the same sort of insipid performances that we saw in those matches, and in the league. All roads lead back to Wenger. It’s inescapable.

      ” In Arsene we rust.”

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  16. It’s only 19 days since transfer window closed, and our season over.
    Highest payed manager in the league 4 th biggest wage budged in the league why wee so shit then?
    Theo a lone CF really?

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  17. And not just tactical. we lack some quality and depth too. Sold stars and gradually replaced them with ok players. Not like for like.
    Look at a guy like Ramsey( and this is no bashing). He had a good game despite what some may say. And he’s done so in recent matches. But his good games are nothing spectacular compared to a level you would need to beat bayern.
    We have fallen to that level where we have attackers with good games without goals, assists or just dominating the opposition but just because they didn’t play so poorly or simply their best wouldn’t have been good enough in the yester years.
    We had a good game but we looked like a team, fifth in the premier league playing against German champions (to be), who have been to two finals in three years but still bought good quality in attack, CM and defence. But we can’t get super super quality to improve what we have.

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  18. I think people have to wait until the summer to judge the manager
    If we strengthen for the first time and do not loose players in 8 years it shows we were waiting for the commercial deals to be renewed and they knew all along how painful this would be as a transition from highbury to the emirates and I will give wenger his dues for keeping us in the champs league with no budget realisticaly.

    I just hope thats the case and I guess time will tell but having nothing to focus on now only top 4 might be a blessing in disguise as this year its as tough as any.

    Wouldnt dream of supporting any other club over ours the fans our values etc out weight the rest by miles.

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    • Redser – ” I think people have to wait until the summer to judge the manager.”

      What utter bollocks. A.K.B.’s just like you, were saying that years ago. And you’ll still be saying it next year too. Just like your lord and master was*. *Remember this from 2008 f.f.s. ?…… I repeat – that’s from 2008 – over FOUR YEARS AGO !

      And Wenger was SO confident just three weeks ago that he had such a great team, that he said that it was ‘complete”. So he didn’t think it was necessary to strengthen it in January, when just about EVERY ONE of us mere mortals knew he needed to. The man is senile. And you’re all senile if you think he’s still fit to run our club.

      ” In Arsene we rust.”

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      • spectrum, you are a mere mortal with a militant and bent mind. You think you know shit but most of what you say is pure conjecture. You belong at LG and take your smarmy signature with you

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  19. Mr. Wenger is nt a curse, u can neva deliver a trophy again not even the carling cup.. No excuse mr. Wenger, bcos if d game u claim u rested players 4 is dis den d result is notin 2 write about… Dnt even tink of miracle at munich, bcos dere is law of diminishing return in football. What u give is dat u’ll get.. Pls at season end sell varmealen n jack, den buy us 2strikers and convert dem 2 midfielder n defender as usuall, nxt year we culd win treble… Fuck ur principle.

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  20. I dont’t think many people realise how important psychology is in a game like this. Bayern is riding a really high wave at the moment and we are mentally very, very fragile. I don’t see that much difference in the quality of players. It’s all in the head. And if you say that it is Arsene’s job to motivate them, it is not as easy as that. Basically, I think Wenger knows that he has a group players that, if they click, will be magnificent. He has been manager long enough to recognise that. Even I can see that this Arsenal team has potential for greatness. But you cannot force it. You cannot achieve it with words. Other managers may have a different approach but a Wenger’s team has to play itself into confidence. And it takes time and some luck. You cannot predict when it will happen. You can only assemble the group and wait it out. And it will happen. Quite likely in the next couple of months. It will be too late to win any trophies this season. Believe it or not, but I do have faith in this team. Should Wenger by any chance be let go, the next manager will reap the rewards of his work, as it so often happens. But a good foundation is there and it is stronger than it has been for a couple of seasons.

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    • You have more faith IN THE MANAGER than the club and its interests. And that is why we stagnate year after year. Your only solution is to WAIT ? I suppose you were saying that in 2006, 2007,2008,2009,2010,2011,2012, and 201?. Where has that got us ?

      “And it will happen.Quite likely in the next few months.” What is your rationale and evidence for believing that, other than just “waiting” ? What is likely to change, given that we do nothing, and allow Wenger to keep trying to do what he hasn’t been able to, for eight years ?

      “In Arsene we rust.”

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    • arsenal (mediocre team with deluded manager) vs Bayern (one of the best team in da world with the best manager)

      what do ya expecting?

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      • Yeah, wouldn’t you be if you saw your club going down the gurgler ? Then again you probably wouldn’t, because stagnating in the league year after year, fighting for 4th position for a place in a competition we’re never going to win, obviously doesn’t faze you one bit. Nor does being 21 points off the leaders with three months left in the season, get you even slightly annoyed, I’ll bet. Do you even care at all ? Go join the other losers who sing “There’s only one Arsene Wenger.”

        ” In Arsene we rust.” ( for those that can see it ).

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      • Then again you probably wouldn’t, because stagnating in the league year after year, fighting for 4th position for a place in a competition we’re never going to win, obviously doesn’t faze you one bit.”

        you can tell all that just because i think you’re a miserable cunt? you should write for a tabloid newspaper. get some perspective you miserable fucking cunt. i love this club.

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      • Rectum Spectrum – You love this club ? So do I. Which is why I speak out when it’s being mismanaged to the extent that it is. I take it from your criticism of me and my comments, that you disagree with them. That must mean that you’re happy with things the way they have been ( and are ).

        What do YOU have to contribute to the debate ? Nothing but abuse against me, so far, simply for stating my opinion, and those of an increasing number of us. Let me ask you this…..What is Wenger currently doing well ? Note I said CURRENTLY doing well. Not pre 2005, because like everyone else at the time, I was a fan of his, and his achievements BACK THEN cannot be argued. So we’re agreed on that .

        But if you really love the club, you’ll have noticed Wenger is not the same man now as he was then. And the club is NOW IN DECLINE because of it. And you don’t think THIS is good reason enough to be miserable ? What should we be doing then ? Celebrating that we’re 21 points behind United, and out of all the cups, AGAIN ? How long should we keep giving him to indulge his vain ego ? What other major club would tolerate this continued underachievement ? Answer ; they wouldn’t. Wenger’s had an easy ride for too long. And complacent apathetic “supporters ” like you, need to wake up to that fact. I suppose you think Wenger IS Arsenal, eh ?

        “In Arsene we rust.”

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  21. Even spurs would have done better.. Keep gambling mr. Wenger and at the end your name will soon forgotten..pls guys is this the manager that did invincible? Am sorry is nt all about making money, try and back it up with atleast carling cup.

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  22. There is no point in Wenger leaving if the board don’t change their “profit first” policy. They’ll just line up another “yes man” to take his place. Maybe Wenger leaving would be the worst thing that could happen…they would replace him with some muppet just happy to be at a big club and would do as he’s told.
    Kronke is the root of it.

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  23. We lost to a better side tonight, but I don’t buy all this rubbish about how amazing Bayern were. Frankly I thought they were poor, didn’t play much football, but defended well and capitalized on our mistakes with some scruffy goals. It was hardly scintillating stuff and makes conceding three goals even more frustrating. The least you can do against a team like Bayern is to make them work to score.

    Re Wenger- it’s not fair to blame all the problems at Arsenal on one man, but the bottom line is he’s not earning his corn at the moment. Not even close. We’ve made a few decent signings but the quality of the squad is only going in one direction- down. Two quality players in every position? Which players are these Wenger? No pressure on Szcz; we have 3 centrebacks; we have ONE striker; we have NO defensive midfielder.

    Could another manager do a better job? The answer is yes I think many managers could so it’s time to go Wenger. £7m a year he won’t go til he’s pushed. Can’t see us finishing top four, we aren’t making a charge like last season and we have no-one close to the caliber of RvP. The squad is under-performing but only Wenger can be blamed for the persistent mistakes week in week out. Straight back on the training ground tomorrow, no defensive work, Wenger will have them running possession drills or attacking.

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  24. Rotation failed, out if fa cup and slim chances to progress now. Should have played with our strongest line up against Blackburn. Hard to see why Wenger can’t see it.

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  25. You guys do realise Bayern Munich have only conceded 7 goals this season? further more i also believe this is the first goal they have conceded this year.

    Arsenal just need to build on this season with new players and if Arsene wants to build a new team he needs to realise that to accomplish this he needs short term success, like when he first came to Arsenal so Carling cup next year and FA cup cant be taken for grant or he wont have time to finish this team.

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  26. For Arsenals most expensive ticket, you get a SEASONS ticket for bayern munchen and not have to put up with seeing your beloved team play like shit!

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  27. Our Arsenal last one the premiership ten years ago. Now we celebrate fourth.
    Now is the time we are always told to have faith. All we need do is qualify for Europe, a few quality signings and hey presto the glory days will return. I love Arsenal and always will but this story is testing my faith to the limit now. CMOYG

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  28. The way I see is we are fucked either way. The club made a decision log ago not to compete on money with City, Chelsea or Utd. We went down the ‘morally’ organic route of developing talent and paying fucking peanuts. Obviously with only one team able to win the league the board must of assumed these three would fucking beat the shit out of each other and get bored after a few seasons and then we would lurk in the darkness and wait for our turn to strike and turn up blazing all hell fire. However in that time our best players have realized we don’t have any actual ambition to win anything (at-least this decade) and have left-With FFP and a new sponsorship deals , player sales and extortionate ticket prices have allowed for the stadium debt to be paid off significantly and this does put us in a stronger position.This has meant the transfer budget is lower = the boards expectations are lower = the reason Wenger can go 8 seasons without winning fuck all but stay in a job. The club is now under pressure because the gap between us and the other 3 has simply got bigger-maybe too big. Competition makes you stronger not weaker and by not competing our standards have dropped. We can’t attract any decent talent to the club e.g. Hazard or Mata because we don’t want to pay but more worryingly our reputation as a big club has been tainted by being dormant for so long and letting our best players go to our competitors. Talent attracts talent. So now we are in a position where the gap maybe too great…we cannot attract any decent players without paying more than normal for them as city and Chelsea owners have not got bored and because we cannot trade on reputation. So where does this leave us? In my opinion we now need to play our money card and crack open that war chest and blaze all hell fire but is too late and do I actually believe Wenger a man who fiscally rules with an iron fist will actually spend? There has been so much PR spin from the board around £100m available each and every failed Summer/January not sure how many more BS I can take. Football is not a business it is a sport and we all play sport to Win not just to make up the numbers!

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    • your spot on.
      ultimately though we need a solution but its not like wenger will approve of any suggestions from fans or the media as it is deemed by him as unprofessional.
      As a club or team we are trapped in mediocrity, its pretty much unsolvable.

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  29. Its all becoming quite pathetic to be honest.

    I really cant see how a guy that used to win things, and was so in touch with the game, can all of the sudden become so stubborn, never use any different formations in the past 4 years, have a set plan for 70 minutes substitutions and never earlier no matter how the match is going.

    What the fuck is going on Arsene? What is it that your not telling us. Why have we resorted to playing a formation full of players with 50% of them not in their natural positions.

    To be fair, we can all say this season is a fucken flop. We dont deserve to get the top 4 either with our performances. Spurs/Everton/Liverpool are all far deeper squads than what Arsene has put together this year. Funnily enough, every fucking fan was saying so before the season started and January.

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  30. still havent lost hope from Arsenal as well as Arsene…would love to see that wenger change the leadership to Arteta,coz Vermaelen cannot handle the pressure of the team and lack talismanshp…and makes Podolski as a permanent Center-Forward of the team….coz Giroud is no doubt a slow and raw quality for PL…walcott had some instincts..damn why always we have to suffer with a problem of Patience ……

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  31. I’m guessing Aaron Ramsey’s failure to cut out cross for first Bayern goal was down to trauma of that Shawcross tackle.

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  32. See the Bayern fans tonight? i wish arsenal fans were like that rather than,often at home, being the 12th man for the opposition if arsenal aren’t 2 up by half time. some people booed at half time!! Are they Spurs fans? Had they never heard of bayern? i know people will argue that bayern fans are used to winning hence them getting behind their team but look at stoke…morons yes but effective support. Of course the ticket prices are a prob but then vote with your feet…don’t boo your own team. You can be critical of Wenger but get behind the team. The prob with Arsenal the last 5 years is that they have been nearly but not quite a v good team…that hasn’t been good enough for our best players so they’ve sought success elsewhere which sets things back. Let’s not sell any of our best players in the summer, get rid of the passengers, bring a few more in and see where we’re at. In the meantime im going to go to the home game on Sat and get behind the team and mgr. Hopefully we’ll finish the season strongly. What else would a fan want??

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  33. so, we dnt hav d CLASS to be a top team..!! whose fault is dis arsene.?? practically there is NO CHANCE we will beat bayern…dats the story of past 8 yrs. 1st kicked out of fa or league cup n then kicked out of champions league in a same week…sum1 plz do sumthng to save d club..

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  34. I would like to blame our defending and thus the cbs again. Not that we were creating plenty up front. But, we could have, with some resolute defending pulled a 1-0 or even 2, with some extra bit of luck.
    However, a stinking slow tempo has been another factor yet another season.

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  35. Not to be negative, but anyone else feel like the Arse will win 2-0 at Bayern just to make Mandzukic’s fluke goal hurt all over again?

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  36. To concede 3 home goals. It’s game over. We can’t score 4 against bayern. N bayern will at least score. Everyone scores against us. Even blackburn. Even bradford. Our defending is shit!!!
    N with the same cbs most certainly staying with us another couple of years at least, we’ll may be get away with scoring more against smaller teams. But, the Big games, you can’t afford easy goals n expect a win.
    Wenger retiring sounds like a good thing to me. We can’t/won’t sack him. He’ll honour his contracts I hope, n we can all miss him when he’s gone with a team that defends ok. I’m not asking much. Just ok defending. But, with desire, plenty of that.

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  37. I’m already talking about next season.
    4th place looks harder than winning the CL. I was actually counting on winning the CL.
    It’s only half time though…..
    3 past bayern without conceding too much to ask for? Or, concede one n thru on penalties. I wish.

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  38. It’s so tuff when the Heart is ailing but the Brain refuses to accept it. Wenger is going against the norm ” wine gets better by the day” but dont blame him, blame Gazidis whom despite losing yesterday will be relishing at the opportunity of how good Wilshere was and how much he will fetch. Blame the players who lack the drive and motivation on pitch. Nobody seems to care anymore but the fans.

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  39. i would quite honestly be ok – albeit probably heartbroken time and again – if we actually fucking COMPETED for any of these trophies everyone tells us we should be winning. we don’t even get remotely CLOSE anymore. how about a bit more than a league cup final in the past 6 years?

    we’re perennially out of the cups in late winter, and miles off the league leaders before christmas rears its head, every single year. not good enough by fucking miles, and i see no reason to be generous with my patience anymore. arsene’s brought the board and the club a shiny new stadium, but fuck all else since 2006, really (i’ll allow the CL final as some sort of consolation.) how much longer are we supposed to be satisfied with this?

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  40. I now want AW to put out a “FA Cup / Carling Cup team” vs Bayern in the return leg…coz now he himsrlf has admitted that we dint really stand a chance there!!
    Just let the so-called best players we have to fully ficus on getting tgat Goddamn 4th place!!

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  41. Maybe I was watching a different game but firstly, arsenal have 1 player who would get into the bayern squad let alone first team no prizes as to guessing who (super jack). We do not have any real quality in terms of world class players u look at bayern and they had there 3rd choice defender and he would walk straight into our team. Wengers team and his team selection was awful you cant play walcott upfront on his own he cant hold the ball up bayern pressed us amazingly well and we ned to hit that long ball one of the shortest players ob the field then arteta dont get me started. How can someone that slow protect your defence cant get to the wings and cant cover the middle he was paced by manzukic who is no speedy by any means. I either would have started diaby or told jack to play deeper as much as we need him to go forward and create things hes probably our fastest and most robust tackler. Now you can see y vp left and on last nights showing van anyone blame him.

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  42. When SB came in to sort out the defence I thought it was a very posotive move. Boy was I wrong ! They are all over the place. And as for confidence, its panic stations as soon as the opposition gets anywhere near our box. Thats if there not asleep. We need a strong leader back there. Build from the back. Right know I’d go back to boring boring 1-0 to the Arsenal because the Arsenal bueatiful game is looking very tired and aged and a little past its best

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  43. we expect too much – apart from Jack all our best players are NOT amongst the very best in their position – they may be internationals ( gervinho is an international ffs) but still they are largely second tier. Cazorla and Arteta are good players but are not Iniesta and Xavi (or even Cesc) – you can go through the whole team like that – which leads us back to the money – is it there? if it is why won’t he spend it? Personally I don’t think it’s there – we do have some pretty hefty non football wage bills to pay these days eh Ivan?

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  44. Bayern Munich is not richer than Arsenal , so y do they have players like Muller , kroos ,mandzukic , Robben and Schweinsteiger and we parading Gervinho, Ramsey , koscieny, Mertasacker . The likes of Podolski , Walcott and Arteta are qualified but not for a permanent shirt . They won’t stand a chance on the team 9 years ago.

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  45. I think we where beaten in the 1st half end of story we do not have the quality to come back against such a strong team. In the 2nd half we made a real go of it and it showed that if we had bought quality in the summer not January the story would have been different. So now we hammer the shit out of villa and make a dash for 4th.

    The board have a lot to answer for !!!!

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  46. Wenger should be kiked out… that’s what we think in the arab world… we are killing ourselves for the last 8 years without a single trophy…

    I say, wenger go to hell our team should be at top with others, not the team that everyone one what to face in ground to beat…

    we have lost confident, quality, and everything to win a single easy game… we are feed-up with wenger and the american devil, they are not the only people in the world to take over ARSENAL, because Arsenal is bigger than anyone you should think of…

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  47. Our centre backs look as ropey as hell against lower league opposition so of course Bayern will exploit. How many internationals are there in our defence who have been so inconsistent this season for Arsenal. I can’t watch when we’re defending – schoolboy errors time & time again.

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  48. Wenger wont go until he sorts out this mess we are in!! He is the only person at Arsenal that has the passion to try and bring the club through these bad times and until he does that i cant see him leaving!! Please Arsene spend some money in the summer, get rid of the deadwood and bring Arsenal forward in to the 21st century!! otherwise im afraid its looks like we are going to be falling behind all the other teams for this unpredictable future that looms over this once amazing club!!!

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  49. Wenger is the best for this club and players have to look at themselves for a slump last night vermalen got caught trying to win the ball up field For the first Ramsey lost van buytun keeper had margarine on his gloves and spilled it how many times have we seen that this season I ask ??????? And cazorla lost lahm for the third all players get good Salaries and can’t even do simpe tasks like pick up players from corners or runs from overlapping players I’m not saying we’re better than bayern but it is simple defending which seems to be are downfall . We need not to replace the keeper but have a better option of reserve to push him on top of his game mertesaker needs to go I’m afraid too clumsy vermalen needs to give up the armband to take pressure off him wenger needs David dein back and pat rice !!! People who love the club !!!

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  50. i don’t understand. we are, as much as it pains me to say this, the 4th best team in the league. at the start of the season we knew we weren’t gonna win the champions league, everyone said it. yet when we do far far better than chelsea and city (neither of whom may win silverware this season) its a ‘disaster’ for us and our manager must go.

    no – city will probably sack mancini, and benitez will crawl back to spain while whoring himself in the media to anyone and everyone. but wenger will stay. where was the spurs ‘disaster’ when they went out of the cup a round sooner than us? what are they winning this year? they scraped a last minute win against lyon but conceded the all important away goal. they have a very tough run in in the league yet are only 4 points ahead of us and have to play us. but all’s rosey there?

    so much arsenal and arsene banging in the media. it’s allways been this way. which makes it all the more difficult to see over the top negative miserable cunt ‘fans’ on these pages calling for wengers head, what has he done/, not signed anyone etc etc. honestly fuck off and set up your own forum where all your stories come from the back of the sun and all comments must be signed ‘wenger out’. fucking nonce cunts.

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    • Just as I suspected. Rectum Spectrum is an A.K.B. ( A.rsene K.nows B.est ) supporter. However did we guess ? Defending a has-been who lost the plot years ago, is more important to him than analysing what has gone wrong at our club, and why. It’s Arsenal F.C. not ARSENE F.C. You should rethink which it is you support.

      There’s a lot of criticism of Wenger because it’s JUSTIFIED. He brought all this on himself because as manager, it’s HIS responsibility to ensure he gets the best out of the team. That’s his role. He’s the second highest paid in Europe and he’s clearly failed to do that, and so the buck ( rightly ) stops with him. That’s how it works. No-one can argue that eight years isn’t long enough to prove he can turn things around. Our weak board don’t see it that way however. They’re still backing him, and are set to give him even MORE money ( which he hates to spend ). As if that alone will solve all our problems. It wouldn’t surprise me if that rumour of a two year contract extension is true. If so, all they’re doing is rewarding failure. We’re a joke.

      ” In Arsene we rust.”

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  51. Rectum Spectrum said ; ” yet when we do far far better than chelsea and city (neither of whom may win silverware this season) its a ‘disaster’ for us and our manager must go “.

    Huh ? Are you for real ? Kindly explain to me how we’ve done “far, far better” than Chelsea and City ? You must be living in a parallel universe to the rest of us. When was the last time you looked at the league ladder ? They’ve won the Premier League title THREE TIMES since 2004. What have we done ? Sure Abramovich pumped in millions, but he did so because he had AMBITION for his club, and was prepared to “put his money where his mouth is”. And it paid off big time. In contrast, we have Stan Kroenke, who is the exact opposite. And unlike Kroenke, Abramovich won’t tolerate failure. He even sacked Roberto Di Matteo after he won the Champions League for them, presumably because he didn’t like the manner in which they did so ! Now I don’t agree with that as it was unfair, and felt sorry for Roberto, but this is an example of their mentality compared to ours. They’re always striving to BE BETTER. We’re content to finish fourth.

    City ? Another example of ambition in action.

    And before you all say “But we can’t compete with the rich clubs.” I say that’s because we don’t have the WILL to. Usmanov has stated many times that he wants to invest funds into the team, but the board ( strangely, and for their own reasons ) won’t let him join them on it. So we could compete if we CHOOSE to.

    And on the pitch ; if it’s all about money – how is it that teams with far less money and resources can beat the top teams ? How is it that Q.P.R. for example, can beat City on THEIR OWN GROUND ? How is it that Bradford, a team two divisions below us, and put together for a mere 95,000 pounds, can beat us ? And there are many more such examples. But according to A.K.B.’s this should not be possible.

    Man. Utd. are not one of the oil rich teams. Yet they consistently do better than them. How is that ? Couldn’t be anything to do with the quality of management, could it ?

    And Bayern Munich – They are a self sustaining club like ours. And their wage bill is LESS than ours. Yet they’re so much better than us. Why ? Well partly because they are prepared to spend money and spend it WISELY on genuinely QUALITY players, and it helps that they have a manager who knows his tactics, and is able to organise and motivate his team to a much higher standard than us.

    We’ve gone stale. Our priorities are wrong. We need a clear out at our club from top to bottom. The club desperately needs rejuvenation, not continued stagnation.

    ” In Arsene we rust.”

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    • how do you know arsenal are ‘content’ to finish fourth? you don’t. you’re a miserable cunt pedaling mis-information pretending to know more than you possibly could. who did city and chelsea play in the knockouts of the champions league? or did they crawl out of their groups with their tails between their legs?

      arsenal can and should do better – but unless you know more about the inner workings of arsenal (you pretend to but obviously don’t) where is all this negativity getting us? Chelsea won the league 3 times since 2004? great! good for them. they also made a profit of (1.4m) for the first time under abromavich last year. explain to me how we are to compete with that?

      you sound like a spoilt fucking brat. Arsene maybe could have signed better players, but at the price he can afford to buy, there is a risk. gervinho was a great attacking player in france, ‘the best i have played with’ says hazzard. There is a genuine feeling that this summer, with the 150m shirt deal kicking off, and 30m extra tv money, that wenger will be tasked with bringin in the genuine quality that he has been priced out of before. Was is wengers pure stubborness to bend to mata’s demands? i don’t know – and neither do you. so stop with the wild assumptions and your ‘facts’. Whats the point?

      “Our priorities are wrong” “But we can’t compete with the rich clubs.” I say that’s because we don’t have the WILL to.” just a selction of your ‘facts’ that are really just you making shit up because you couldn’t possibly know. there are many examples. stop it.

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