Liverpool 3-3 Arsenal – Player ratings

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For the second season in a row a late, late goal denied us three points at Anfield. Not our best performance, but a game we ought to have won given the position we got ourselves into.

Here’s how the players rated.

PC
33
6
HB
24
6.5
PM
4
6.5
LK
6
6
NM
18
7.5
MF
20
5.5
AR
8
6
11
6
TW
14
3.5
JC
28
8.5
OG
12
8.5
PC
33
6
HB
24
6
PM
4
6.5
LK
6
6
NM
18
7
MF
20
6
AR
8
6.5
11
6
TW
14
4
JC
28
8
OG
12
8.5
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33: Petr Cech

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Could he have done better with the last one? No chance with the second and the twats on BT saying he should have pushed it wide ignored the fact that he did.

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24: Hector Bellerin

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6.5
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Tidy enough on the ball, but part of a back four that wasn't at its best tonight.

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4: Per Mertesacker

6.5
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6.5
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3

Uncharacteristically his passing stats were low, but made 5/5 headed clearances, 7/9 clearances, 100% aerial duels and made 8 ball recoveries. Read one move brilliantly to clear from inside our 6 yard box.

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6: Laurent Koscielny

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5

Would have liked to see him closer to Benteke for that last ball into the box, the kind he usually competes well for.

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18: Nacho Monreal

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7.5
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14

Pick of the bunch at the back

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20: Mathieu Flamini

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5.5
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16

Passing was poor but was 4/4 for tackles, 7/7 clearances, 100% aerial duels but it's becoming more and more obvious the partnership with Ramsey is struggling to gel in any way.

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8: Aaron Ramsey

6.5
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13

See above re: the partnership. A great goal got us level, but something has to happen to help shore up a midfield which is really too open for the opposition.

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11: Mesut Özil

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28

Found a bit more space in the second half, but never became as influential as he has been. Feeling a bit fatigued by the looks of it.

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14: Theo Walcott

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11

Made that great chance for Giroud but that was it. Otherwise really poor. So careless for the first Liverpool goal, on his heels all night, and his decision making when we had chances to attack was woeful

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28: Joel Campbell

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Created two chances, got an assist (and a half assist for Giroud's second), and although his passing wasn't quite perfect, he worked his hole off all night long to the point where he was knackered. Also, for a winger to make 5/6 tackles (5 of which were in our half) tells you how switched on he was.

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12: Olivier Giroud

8.5
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29

Two cracking goals from a man with a staple in his noggin. As much as Campbell he deserved to be on a winning side tonight.

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15: Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain

5
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3.5
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12

If Sunderland was a little step forward, this was like one the other way.

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3: Kieran Gibbs

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4.5
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23

Not as effective as he has been in these kind of situations

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8: Mikel Arteta

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7

Not really on long enough to rate, but he didn't add the kind of calm we needed

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Bonus rating: Elneny/10 - MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR GOODNESS SAFE

118 COMMENTS

  1. Ox has been in the first team since 2011 yet contributed nothing. Compare his progress and impact to Bellerin, Coquelin and Campbell. We have Gnabry (deserves his chance imo) waiting. Both parties need to move on now. He is a braindead winger, time to leave. Atleast Gervinho scored every now and then…

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    • He needs to go on loan.. Maybe to Valencia next season. He has no work ethic both offensively and defensively I dont know why that is.. for his age he’s seriously lacking in development and still plays like a championship player with not enough composure and tactical awareness. He looks like he just wants to get the ball put his head down and sprint to nowhere which he often ends up running into defenders because he’s not looking up, and because he’s not looking up he can’t see the players that are wide open. And then defensively he looks like he’s not even bothered and loses concentration and lose track of his man which usually is the one who ends up in our box and scores.. also his first touch is so terrible for a player of his age an england international for that matter like I said his first touch like that of a player still developing like a youth player.. no awareness whatsover…he needs to go on loan maybe to VALENCIA next season. Gary Neville could probably use him and maybe he’ll learn from the experience cause laliga is no joke tactically you have to be on point

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    • People said similar things about Ramsey a few years ago. Chill your beans. The Ox is still young and has bags of potential.

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      • Yes, let’s maybe let Wenger be the judge, afterall, he is the one who sees him in training every day of the week. Gervinho? Nonsense.

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    • People said the same about Coquelin and even Campbell – move him on. Look how they turned out. Give Chamberlain time. Arsene knows.

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    • How can people forget that Ox has in fact contributed alot in some big matches (Chelsea this year, Manu last year, Bayern the year before that), aswell as been injured for big parts of almost every season he has been here for us. His dicision making is at times pretty shite, but some of you should really calm the fuck down, and stop condemning players’ abilities based on just a few matches, or in this case, minutes.

      He was brilliant in the weekend, but had some dificult minutes today at Anfield. Save your critisism for the end of the season. And more importantly, remember that your own skills in analyzing football performances is simply uncomparable to Arsene’s. There is a reason he’s getting time. Next time you’re angry, just think of Coq, Bellerin, and now maybe even Campell. Please.

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      • Did you read what you wrote.. all the contributions you write about were not this year lol and I think he’ll come good he just needs something i don’t know but a work ethic is very important the reason Ramsey ws able to bounce back is because of his work ethic even when he was mostly crap he still showed hunger and hard work and the OX doesnt show any of that… that whats concern me most. I like the OX and we know what he can produce on his day that why we should NOT sell him he still has a huge future ahead of him

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        • I didnt read through, but I know what I wrote, sure. I was simply responding to the statement that he never does anything.

          Also, his defensive contribution might not be the best, agreed. But I believe that it’s not for the lack of trying, he simply doesn’t seem like a good defender.

          Last, I rate Campell above both Theo and Ox for the time being. What he does at both ends of the pitch is bloody fabulous. But that doesn’t mean that Ox is shit.

          And last for real; my frustration lies with the people who judge a player as dispensable one week, then as the one true saviour next week. I’d like for some of our fans to adopt some perspective and overview. Please.

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      • He’s played more games this season than Campbell and has ZERO goals ZERO assist and does nothing defensively. And then Campbell comes in and has at least 3goals if not more 3 assist if not more and his defensive contribution is Sanchez like so don’t you think right there’s something going with Chambo that needs to be addressed?? there’s something seriously wrong with that stat. The worst part is the way he’s playing he doesn’t look like he’s going to score or make a meaningful contribution. Its a worry not a Bashing

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        • He actually hit the post our last match. But other than that, he does need to up his game, sure. I have no issues with people saying he should do just that, my issue is with the tsunami of wrath that rise whenever someone has a bad game, and the most tender of all sweet loves given whenever the same player does well.

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          • lol no one’s hating the OX for hating sake.. I would love for him to do a Ramsey but I’ve been saying since he’s been at the Club he hasn’t had a breakthrough season like Ramsey Or Jack Wilshere first season or Coquelin last season and Bellerin last season.. mostly because he has been injured quite a lot but when he’s not injured which he hasn’t been of late he hasn’t produced. I hope he does a Ramsey next season because I thought he would have a breakthrough season this year and like you pointed out he’s actually contributed more last season and in previous season than this season and those season’s he’d been injured half the time. And again that puts it into perspective. It will be great for Arsenal to have the OX firing again. Imagine The OX on form Campbell on form Theo on form Sanchez on Form Welbeck on Form And Giroud on form we’d have probably the most dangerous forwards in the league. I just hope he gets his form back and work hard he needs a work ethic he really does. Arsene got rid of Arshavin Gervinho Podolski and co almost for this reason work ethic and attitude these were fantastic players all of which you’d rank above the OX so if Arsene can get rid of those players im sure he won’t blink twice if he has to on the OX. But we KNOW Arsene is NOT going to get rid of the OX he has faith in youth and potential so I expect the OX to be given time and more and more chances to prove himself and hopefully he’ll prove us all wrong and come good!

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          • Let’s be frank: Ox is having an absolute stinker this season. I think as supporters we all have had to bear with players during spells of poor form, bloody hell some players we’ve got behind over the years were in poor form for their whole careers 😉 the thing i find particularly frustrating with the ox is the lack of effort, his attitude on the pitch is poor, he doesn’t take responsibility at the moment, and isn’t using his brain enough. I got the impression he thought (as did many fans!) that this was going to be his year. he is, I think 22, not exactly a kid anymore. Form is temporary as they say but he is done little so far in his career to suggest he is going to make any position his own. I worry for him as more precocious talents than him have failed at the top level.

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    • Brendan, I was mocked here when I stated the same. My fellow gunners told me that how dare I say such thing about the OX. For a player that has been in the team for 5 years he ought do better. Take Campbell case on the other hand….can’t believe he has surpassed OX in the pecking order.

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    • How is the first comment on here someone harping on about the Ox being a ‘braindead winger’?!

      I agree his progress has stagnated somewhat, but if you actually watch him in the matches he plays, everytime he comes on as a sub or starts, if he loses the ball, he looks down to the ground with disappointment and then tracks back/makes a tackle/attempts to make a tackle etc…
      Even a child could work out that this is what is hindering is progress. He seems to become too upset with himself that he has made a mistake, and so doesn’t react instinctively as someone like Sanchez would do.
      The first commenter’s ignorance to say that it is time to wash our hands with him is painful to see. Ox is a young man, who is not yet 23/just 23 (not too sure which one). As a young man who is also on the verge of turning 23, I can also tell you that in my life whenever I have made a mistake I have been guilty of this too – not staying calm and reacting instinctively to remedy the situation. Yet, each time this has happened I have learnt from the situation and bounced back quicker, and, more importantly, better. This seems to be what is happening with the Ox, he is maturing into the frighteningly twinkle-toed talent he could be – a curious blend of Cazorla’s nimble feet and Sanchez’s explosive power – to give up on him now would be criminal. Especially when he is so close to adding that ruthless edge that we need.
      It is genuinely disappointing to see fans of this magnificent club turning on a young player like this. Has football really turned us into soulless, blood-sucking machines lacking empathy?
      Surely by this commenter’s logic it would also be advisable to sack Wilshere now, so we can avoid the disappointment of another Diaby-type.
      In today’s day of multi-million pound contracts and mega-deals, we have forgotten that this is a human sport.
      Even our footballing heros need a shoulder to lean on during times of poor form. As fans, it is our job to fulfil this role.

      Free speech and all that eh.

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      • Sorry Anup, he often does not do exactly what you said he does, especially deep in our half – instead of running back, very often when he is near our own D, or on a set piece, you can see him drifting towards the attack before the phase of play has completed and we have secured the ball. In a recent game, look at him as he starts drifting towards the D and away from his man, who scores. Same with the needless dribbling run inside our own D to start the attack, and he has lost the ball often enough there, with damaging effects.
        He DOES do what you are suggesting, but only when he is in midfield or further up, and often, he does not run back even there, simply starts jogging back.
        Enough has been said here, but it still bears mentioning that his technique is poor, the ball is often bouncing around, his passes are generally lacking in precision, and he simply refuses to look up and create, always seeking to go it alone. These are things that need to change, and you can see how Campbell has integrated himself into the team’s style of collective play by looking at his passes near the box (not to mention tenacious defending with good positional sense).

        Chambo needs to buck up his ideas sharpish.

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        • You are possibly right, but the games I have seen him in this season do not indicate so.
          I agree that he needs to improve but I do not agree with you on several points.

          1. His technique is ‘poor’. – During the game before Liverpool, when we played Sunderland in the cup, he did not display poor technique, in fact it takes immense technique to do what he did when he hit the post. My feeling is that you have mistaken poor concentration for poor technique. I agree with you when you say that some of his passes are underhit, but again, I think this is down to poor concentration not poor technique.

          2. When he does what you are saying – near our own D – I again believe this is down to poor concentration. In his eagerness to kickstart a counter-attack he decides to go it alone and force something to happen. Possibly another indication of his desperation to make up for his own mistakes. I also think that you are right in this regard, when he is near our own D he does tend to be a little laxadaisical (right spelling?) defensively, but on the other hand I also think he is too trusting of his teammates ability to cover for him and this regard he does need to take more initiative.

          I do remember the game you are referring to when he drifted away from his man, who then went on to score. You’re again right about this, but again this is poor concentration. Something which can be easily (and I use the word easily here in relative terms) be fixed.

          But that does not mean that you are not wrong about certain things. Firstly, I think it is important to understand the personal growth of each player as a human being and individual. Joel Campbell, as you mentioned, has integrated himself outstandingly this season, after an initial dry patch. However, Campbell has been consistently match-fit and available throughout the season. Furthermore, Campbell’s personal circumstances are completely different. He was bought by Arsenal at a young age, and as a foreign player, we had to loan him out numerous times in order for him to gain a visa. This undoubtedly toughened him up, both mentally and physically. The Ox hasn’t had to endure this. Although he moved from Southampton, he moved within England – one of the most economically advanced countries on the planet, where he lived in relative luxury compared to Campbell (Costa Rican-born), who I assume, had to fight a lot harder to survive. Secondly, one of Campbell’s outstanding qualities is his work-rate. Oxlade-Chamberlain is not particularly well-known for his work-rate – although this doesn’t exempt him from having to improve in that area – it means that when compared to someone like Campbell he is, quite noticeably, not as efficient. Recently, however, I have noticed that his work-rate (Ox) has improved somewhat, although there is still much to be desired.
          Thirdly, Campbell is playing so well (imo) because he knows that if he doesn’t, he’s f****d. This is his one chance to play for a top quality club like Arsenal, who are consistently at the top end of the table, and qualifying for the Champions League. He knows, in short, that he is playing for his future. Campbell also knows, imo, that he doesn’t have anything to prove to himself. He left home at a fairly young age, moved abroad, looked after himself instead of having a huge group around him, and focused on the most important thing that could help – his football. The Ox, however, ‘gets his head down and tries to do everything himself’, because, again imo, he has everything to prove to his teammates. They know how talented he is, because they see it in training every day. However, he still hasn’t consistently proven this week in, week out. Therefore, I can only presume that every time he gets the ball, he feels the need to show the other players what he can do. Again, this is something I cannot fault him for – he is trying to raise his game because he’s playing with a genius like Ozil – possibly he even feels that he doesn’t deserve to be on the same pitch as Ozil. Who knows.
          I agree on certain points with you, but I flat out disagree that Ox has poor technique etc… He needs to truly believe in his ability and continue to work hard and improve his all round game. Of course, niggling injuries and not being in the starting XI every week will have an effect. But I do believe this is a season where he will show his quality.
          I do think you are being overly-critical though. He seems low on confidence, and if we all get behind him I’m sure he’ll improve tremendously.

          I would be more worried with Rambo’s ‘absolutelynofucksgivenmentality’ about actually playing in central midfield – instead he seems hellbent on trying to outdo Ozil as the teams main orchestrator in attack. I think he’s been great, but his defensive work so far in that central midfield position has been poor. Perhaps this is why we played with Ozil a lot closer to Flamini and Rambo in that area – to compensate for the loss of a really strong passer.

          Sorry, went off on a bit of a tangent there!

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          • Agreed – Rambo should not be playing in a position where he is relied on to defend. Love that man but all he wants to do is score goals. The holes in the middle of the pitch last night in the liverpool half were gaping

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        • I’m not against the OX. I love the guy. He has a big future. But he is not performing to the level he should be. His defensive awareness is poor. He puts his head down and runs, much like Sanchez, except he is not Sanchez and seldom produces moments of qualities that will win you the game. Sanchez is a mercurial player, but if you take out his end product, he could well be a liability because of the times he loses the ball. (probably gona get a lot of hate for this). You say the OX looks dejected. To me most of the time he looks cocky and nonchalant.

          I think a loan spell might do him good or maybe staying in the Arsenal team and more game time. In any case, his performances are not showing his true potential. And he needs to improve to actually be an effective member of the squad. On a separate not, can’t wait to have Coquelin back (we really miss that guy).

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          • Disagree that Ox looks cocky – you can see him constantly shaking his head and talking to himself when he does something wrong.

            I actually think this is part of the problem with his defensive work – he dwells on them too much. When you’re down you can have low energy, which I think is what happens with him – he seems to run back with a weight on his shoulders instead of trying to make up for his mistake defensively (like Sanchez and Campbell do).

            I also think the thinking “he just needs a goal” is exactly what he thinks he needs to do – he’s thinking because he’s not scoring or assisting that he’s not contributing. If he just got more involved and concentrated on making the right decision instead of trying to make things happen I think he would gain more confidence (also if that was praised it would help).

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  2. Ramsey scored a crucial goal, but our midfield is a shambles with him in there. too keen to get forward all the time. left flamini in 2v1 or even 3v1 situations way too often.

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    • Agree,
      Love ramsey’s positives – goal scoring threat timing of runs and energy etc, but bugger me in 40 yrs of watching Arsenal I have rarely seen a midfield player lose or give possession away so much his short passing game is non-existent, he constantly puts team mates under pressure that’s if his passes even make their direction. He dwells on the ball far too long on numerous occasions and is often chasing because wrong side of man. Stll nice finish though! Would be far better as we all know with caz or wil or even rosicky in that cm role, the cdm role is important but the creative role in there alongside is the hub. Our whole game changes (forced I know).

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    • Agreed, but what about his commitment to the cause? That whack he took on the head from Mignolet, after which he was up before he even fell, running back into defense. Say what you want about Ramsey, but he is not short on commitment. Even on disappointing days like this, and as frustrating as he can be, I must say, I am a big fan of Ramsey.

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  3. Feel like trying to accommodate three in midfield might be worth it at this point. Anyone think ozil may play just fine out on the left now that he’s fully used to the league? I suspect he may, he drifts out there most of the time anyway these days. In which case a front three of him Giroud and Campbell with Ramsey, flamini and elnenny (assuming it happens soon..) could be worth a shot. Our midfield is so easy to bypass at the moment, an extra body could really help while we wait for players to return. If we’ re honest Walcott and chamberlain wouldn’t really be missed in their current form.. Thoughts?

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    • Isn’t that just as much from Flamini not being as good as Le Coq? If Elenny is as good as everyone thinks he is then maybe he can be enough to shore up that. Will take some time to learn the ropes of the league though

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    • Not for me, sorry.
      Moving our best CAM, arguably our best player, to the left (not the same as drifting to the left, as being stationed on the left requires more defensive work, which will stunt his influence) to compensate for the inadequacies of our wayword CM isn’t the solution. Either get a partner that suits Ramsey, move Ramsey or drop him altogether (I vote for option 1).

      Also where does Sanchez fit into all of that? Please don’t say right, because that inhibits him from getting into central position where he is best.

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      • With Elneny in I’d expect the team to be much the same as today but him in for the flam and Walcott put for Alexis.
        That should be enough for Stoke.. On current form though, against a bigger team I’d be inclined to drop Rambo. Love the guy but he does lack a little discipline at times, and with Alexis back and Campbell playing well we shouldn’t miss his attacking. Of course that’s all providing this Elneny kid arrives ready and able.

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    • Depending upon the form of Elneny when he comes in one option is to move Ramsey back to RM (where I think he played his best this season) and bring Elneny in to sit with Flamini. That would of course push Campbell out of the lineup (assuming Sanchez has returned) which is a tough one given his form now. However, I don’t think Wenger will make any changes with Ramsey being moved out of the middle as he seems to have full faith in him. More likely is Elneny will start off coming in late in games as Chambers and Arteta have to protect leads.

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      • Not really sure a lineup that leaves in Flamini and takes out Campbell will lead to any kind of improvement in any aspect of Arsenal’s play.

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      • Oh hell no, I dream of the day Flamini is back on the bench. See now, he would have been good to come on at the end instead of Arteta. Over 90 minutes he’s a liability. Can’t pass, can’t dribble. He’s crippling our central midfield in possession. Love his effort, but he’s not good enough to be a starting CM for us, in ‘big’ games anyway, not even close. He might do better in alongside, say, Cazorla, but even then the difference between him and Coq or him and Arteta of yesteryear is painfully clear.

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    • Certainly removed from the wing, but Olivier is gonna need a breather soon because he takes so much of a beating every game. I think rest will be needed for him sooner rather than later, Walcott may well take his chance at that point.

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    • Walcott definitely is more effective now at striker (which is a problem as Giroud is doing well). Does almost nothing out wide left and his days at being effective aren’t the same as they were when Sagna was playing behind him as they are now with Bellerin who is far more capable in the attack as a dribbler and crosser than Sagna was.

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    • Watching the Ox go forward with the ball is thrilling. The speed! The agility! Oh… Wait… The the ball went into touch for a goal kick. Wait! He’s back! He’s going to score this time for sure! Oh, my mistake, he just had the ball nicked… Again. Sorry.

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  4. Walcott, so poor. One bad decision after the other. Can be brilliant, can be crap. Needs the consistency of a Giroud
    Ox – not sure how much longer Arsenal can continue to believe in him. Campbell far superior.

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  5. Ox decision making. Pfffff. I really were were going to extend the lead. He had time and space to pick Ozil. But he chose to do what? I don’t know what he was trying to achieve there.

    Otherwise contended with the draw and especially lifted by the emergence of Campbell. Still top of the table.

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  6. Even though the game was incredibly entertaining, it is matches like these where I ultimately have to wonder which role it is the defensive midfielders are actually playing. Especially Flamini was neither a link between defense and offense (received the ball only 13 times, opposed to 43 for Ramsey) nor the one to calm the match down, considering he only managed to recover the ball two times (well into Liverpool‘s half).

    Liverpool didn’t do any better in this aspect, though. Most of times the DMs were either far too aggressive for their own good.

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  7. Poor Ox

    Hope he stays away from social media
    He’s getting some ( negativity social media booms)

    We want him to be the saviour, but he’s just a child with insecurities ( self confidence )

    In my opinion, he will come good ( wait and see)
    He just needs to score a goal

    How good was Giroud and Campbell tonight ( bravo )

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  8. Presume Joel was pulled in favour of the Ox because of fatigue but the late-game substitutes didn’t get the job done tonight. Monreal was by far the best in a defense that was a little off tonight. Agree with Blogs on the Ramsey – Flamini partnership, it’s not working and we’re getting punished for it. Hopefully, El Neneny will offer some different possibilities …

    Overall, a point was probably fair but can’t shake the feeling we got robbed!

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  9. Now there’s a bloke who knows f/a about football.
    On a positive note…….other teams in the mix are not going to find Anfield an easy place to visit.
    We got a point, now we move on……..

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  10. A little harsh on Per tonight he had no real fault nor could he have done anything about the goals and his passing deficit reflected the obvious press breaking tactic of long ball to Olllie. Put his body on the line won everything in the air plenty of tackles block and ball recoveries. The two sliding clearances that saved goals have to be the defensive equal of scoring goals no?

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  11. Today we saw the ying and yang of Aaron Ramsey, scored a goal and got an assist but it doesn’t really make up for the fact he doesn’t do the basics of his position, like pass and control the ball consistently and defend.

    Campbell was excellent and Giroud’s goals were fantastic

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    • Ramsey does tend to get back into a defensive position then er..do nothing. I lost count of the times Liverpool’s midfield drifted past him without much effort. I know he covers great ground but he’s got to get more dynamic in defensive.

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    • If Barca comes in for Ramsey with an offer anywhere near £50 mil as rumoured lately, sell him and spend the cash on Aubameyang.
      Agree that Ramsey, his attacking prowess notwithstanding, harms the team with his eagerness to get forward. It won’t matter which dm partners him, Ramsey will ALWAYS leave his midfield partners hanging because he is too eager to get into the opponent’s box.
      Never mind that this also crowds the box for our attackers …

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      • The very idea that Barcelona would buy Ramsey is laughable in my mind.

        To play for Barcelona you need rock solid technique, exemplary control, excellent passing and discipline, none of those qualities you would associate with Aaron Ramsey.

        He would be back on loan at Everton within 18 months if they were ever mad enough to buy him!

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    • Spot on on Ramsey. Games like these show you can’t get away with it by just escaping your duties as a central MF by playing as a quasi-striker or no 9. Everything from positional discipline to quick thinking/passing was missing from him.

      That MF was simply over-run – could neither keep possession nor retain it for even a short spell.

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  12. we simply lack the killer instinct to finish off game. At 2-3 we had the chances on the breaks but kept trying flicks.

    Plus Joel Campbell 10/10. Nacho too

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  13. Campbell I love you ! It’s the Coq all over again for me. Kept us in it and for me our best player tonight. Imagine him and Sanchez on either wing. Glorious.

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  14. This team has the spirit to win the title, but we really need cavalry – in the shape of Alexis, then Coq, Santi et al – to come soon.

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  15. Wenger confirmed the Elnenny signing, and hopes his clerance will have arrived in time for him to be included v Stoke, and also said that Alexis will have a fitness test on Saturday to decide if he will be in squad v Stoke

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  16. someone explain the arteta for ozil substitution to me? i get why ozil had to come off as he was exhausted, but what exactly does arteta bring to the side when we’re under that kind of onslaught? it’s not like liverpool was going to let arteta have time on the ball to see out the game. i’m not blaming him for the dropped points, but hard to see what good it did having him in the side at that point in the match.

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    • Probably meant to calm everybody down and help in keeping our shape with Ramsey running wildly all over the pitch. Easy to be smart in hindsight but it just feels we would gain more from the huzzle and buzzle (and aerial presence) of Chambers in those last few minutes.

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    • actally, maybe i can blame arteta. he lost his man allen in the buildup and wasn’t covering anyone on that goal. 5 points he’s cost us now.

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  17. Özil was poor today. His body language was so poor at times. Never a 6 if Theo gets a 4.
    should get his head down and fight instead of moaning around. As Campbell did.
    Really hope Elneny is happening soon. We need some balance in that midfield against better teams.

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    • He showed flashes of brilliance but agree he was poor by his (very high) recent standards – was overwhelmed at times in the first half and not always efficient in the 2nd (to be fair, the whole team was guilty of this at 3-2 – could’ve been running the ball into the corners instead of trying to score every time we retrieved it).

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  18. Monreal was outstanding tonight, Kos and Per not near their best, Bellerin had his good and bad moments. Flamini adds little, Ramsey a goal and an assist, Campbell works himself to a standstill, Theo is not in good form, Giroud was immense, Ozil picked up in the second half after a poor first half, Ox is way off form, playing with his head down so much. I think Wenger erred bringing on Arteta, with LFC pumping high ball to Benteke and Caulker it might have been better to bring on Gabriel or Chambers.

    So many of the team in recent games seem out on their feet with half an hour to go, it is important that we have added Elnenny, and that Alexis and Rosicky are on the verge of comebacks, some reports also suggest that Coquelin is only 3 weeks away from a comeback. Fresh legs will be such a boost to the squad.

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  19. Joel Campbell should be MOTM in my opinion. Other than those two goals I didn’t think Giroud did enough today actually for the past few weeks he’s looked out of it somewhat but the occassional assist and 2goals tonight would mask that…I just hope he keeps up the scoring and assist but also his overall play because it has not been satisfying. Also this brings the debate why Giroud will never be considered world class because he misses sitters my 6yr old nephew can score..but then goes on to score a cracker! it’s so frustration when you see a player do that miss the simple things.

    But anyway Joel Campbell fantastic Monreal Absolutely brilliant miles miles ahead of every LB in the league right now in my opinion. Ramsey needs to keep it simple and stop trying stupid flicks and stuff in dangerous areas and lose possesion that cost us goals and Walcott needs to step up he scored in a few games now he was poor today. And finally I can’t wait for ELNENY signing because that Flamini Ramsey midfield combo is very loose I prefer Chambers in there at least until we see what this ELNENY guy is about. But we seriously need to plug that hole fast.

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  20. Another brilliant performance by Giroud. I think he’s gonna need reminding again that he’s not supposed to be a World Class Striker (TM).

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    • Ohhh he did get his reminder on MOTD by Shearer and I was thinking to myself SHUT UP Shearer. Joel my God we truly have a player on our hands. Giroud and Nacho brilliant too.

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  21. Great game for the neutrals tonight. Giroud is having his best season for us, and it’s no coincidence that it’s come at a time when we’re looking so strong in the league. We desperately need players back though, especially the midfield CazCoq combination.

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  22. I really don’t understand Ramsey. He has complained during the whole fucking season that he wants to play centrally. And when the opportunity finally arrives the guy just runs all over the place. His positioning discipline is dreadful, leaving Flamini exposed all the time. I know it might sound as blasphemy but I’m secretly beginning to hate this guy. What will happen when Santi comes back? If Joel keeps playing like this I just don’t see him getting back into the starting eleven. Should we cash on him now?

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    • No:

      1. He brings something different to our game than Santi (see Saturday’s game and the goal he scored yesterday).
      2. He’s young enough that he might actually learn when to go and when to stay.
      3. Santi is 30 (or nearly 30 – not sure) so he’s not going to be around for too many more seasons himself, especially if he decides to play out his twilight years in Spain.

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  23. I think more than even Coquelin’s absence we really miss Carzola in the middle, he did so well holding the middle and staying home (as well as being a great distributor from there). Of course he always had Coquelin with him and not Flamini as Ramsey does, but as many have mentioned there is something not working with the current partnership. What worked well with Ramsey out wide right was when he could come into the middle (leaving the width for Bellerin) and really help us beef up our possession (isn’t really Campbell’s game), but with Ramsey in the middle now he wants to fly forward too often into the attack leaving us way too exposed when we turn the ball over (which is becoming more and more often). There certainly are times to fly into the box like he did on the goal, but too often he is caught out and Flamini just can’t cover the whole middle by himself.

    Ozil did look a bit heavy legged (but I know that is easy to say sitting at home watching when the weather was cold and wet there), I worry about him for the weekend’s match. Even with the long break and some rest days he looks to be at that point where the number of games played is catching up with him.

    Finally it would be nice to see Giroud try and hold the ball up around the box and turn the defender to get shots off like he did today more often as he has a good, quick release, just doesn’t shoot off the turn enough and instead tries to do too many one touch flicks. If he can add some of that variety to his post up game it can be lethal.

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  24. We missed Santi a fair bit tonight. He can run rings around those high presses (quite literally). He was amazing last season when we won at Man City, and I imagine he could’ve done something similar tonight. Anyways, still top, and let’s hope we have enough in the tank for Stoke on Sunday – the jammy feckers played an hour against ten men.

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  25. The Midfield feels lite because Cazorla was great there. I think we’re missing his influence, and without our Coq, its just compounding the fact that while the Midfield is working, the partnerships between Coq, Cazorla and Ramsay was our best working lineup there. We’ll see what Rozza can do once he’s back; Cazorla Lite. Ad hang on. A good deal of key players are out, and we’re still getting positive results. No harm done in a point today, I say. Jurgen isn’t some dodse manager; that man knows his stuff lol

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  26. A lot said about the performance and result, so i’m just going to go a different way…
    For anyone saying we need a ‘world class striker’ just take a look at Giroud’s second goal… If that’s not world class I don’t know what is! Give the guy some credit!

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  27. Did anyone else think Giroud’s second goal looked a lot like what Lewandowsky does? Wow! Go on with your bad self Ollie!

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  28. It’s not a major thing but the constant media action from players like the ox just really niggles me. If youre on top form then no problem, mess about on snapchat and what not. But when you are not inform and are consistently playing poorly then I feel players need to get their head down and work hard. Forget being cool online, their job is to play football and when they arent doing that I feel more professionalism is required

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    • Do you expect them to stop being real people for all but the 90 mins they are on the pitch and few hours a day of training.

      As long as they arn’t snapchatting on the pitch or during training drills I have no problem with them being normal functioning humans. I think people often forget footballers have lives outside the 90 mins we watch them a week.

      I do think Ox is at a crucial stage of his career now, where he isn’t considered the golden boy young potential winger, but I do feel his game isn’t suited to some of the situations he has been brought on in. If we need to hold onto a lead and keep the ball in a tough away game then bringing on an off form Ox, is in my opinion, the last sub we should have made. He will have a better chance to improve his form with some solid FA cup starts or coming on when we have games won (I’m not sure there will be too many of those chances so when they do arise he must take them)

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  29. We were terrible defensively. They passed through the middle of the park with ease. But on a positive note, we showed character, coming from behind twice and that is something I havent seen for years. But hey, its the kop….one point is good.

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  30. Need to get Sanchez back asap..Been so disappointed with Theo and Ox recently. Ox looks like he is short of confidence and nothing is going right for him..Feel sorry for him right now to be honest but with him i think he has the actual ability to improve on the sloppy parts of his game.
    Theo however….. Cannot play anywhere but upfront…Nothing feels me with more pride when see a player develop and improve their game over time…Monreal, Campbell, people like Giroud and Koscielny..With Walcott we have all been sitting around for 10years waiting for him to develop into something but it just has not happened..
    To have that type of pace and to only look threatening once in the entire game is disgraceful..
    Look at the difference with Ibe..Even though Monreal handled him pretty well, he was a Constant threat..
    He was probing and not hiding from the ball…
    Walcott does absolutely nothing until he can make his little diag run and someone can slip him through..Him, Ox and to some degree Ramsey are very erratic with the ball if they have too much time to think..Ramsey and Ox will and have shown they can get better…Walcott i think has hit his ceiling in terms of ability..He should be alternating with Giroud and thats it,

    Flamini and Ramsey as a partnership are absolute dogshit against a semi decent and drilled side. Ironically and weirdly i thought they were both good individually but as a pair they were dominated in there.

    Giroud gave a masterclass on center forward play slightly marred by that miss but he is forgiven as he was Excellent all game.

    Ozil was a little bit stifled and was starved of the ball because of Ramsey and Flamini..When he did have it he showed his usual brilliance..Even quiet he picked out 5 or 6 great passes that were defended well or people should have done better.

    I think the game itself was just insane and the pace was unbelievable for so long. That first 20mins was the same blitz Lpool hit City with and they destroyed them..Have to give the lads credit for not folding and pegging them back twice.
    Definitely need Elneny to hit the ground running though. Arteta should not be anywhere near the pitch again…and despite doing an adequate job for a while now neither should Flamini if we are serious about winning anything.

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    • careful what you say about arteta. last time i suggested he shouldn’t be allowed on the pitch i think my comment set a record for quickest time from post to being “hidden due to low comment rating” (current thumbs down count of 239). i doubt even fatgooner has been shut down as quick as i was.

      but i agree 100% with you on arteta. he’s past it and a shame he’s on the bench because wenger will continue to pick him in these situations. it was the wrong substitution and that’s on wenger.

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      • And you’re still being thumbed down despite saying nothing more than the post above you which has no thumbs down. Outstanding.

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    • Agree with all of that apart from the part about Ibe – I thought he looked equally dogshit (typical British-style head-down winger with no end product, but fast so seems dangerous – see Demarai Gray as well).

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    • At 1-2 down, yup, agreed – I thought a point would have been a great result. But at 2-3 up, with 2 minutes to go, I have to admit that it stings a little and feels like 2 dropped points. But these things happen. And as I see it, we’re still top of the league, Elnenney coming in, Alexis on his way back…things are pretty good.

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  31. Let’s be fair here lads ozil 6 tonight is a joke he contributed nothing to the game,wonderful as he has been all season tonight he looked like he was not interested and should have been substituted first as Campbell played a stormer and was wrongly subbed by Arsene ,I always feel we treat the English lads harder than others because Walcott was not a 3.5 ,we went to a anfield and drew 3-3 and were well on top till Arsene took Campbell and Walcott off

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    • He got no service. The midfield duo does not function well against better teams. Ozil saw very little of the ball. We all know by now that he doesn’t run around. His play is more intricate. But he needs the ball. When Ramsey was bashed by everyone for missing that chance, I didn’t quite agree in that particular instance. But Ramsey really looks selfish. There were many times in this game (from what I saw) when he could’ve/should’ve passed to Ozil but didn’t. Tried to take his man on, or looked for the Hollywood pass and failed. Somebody needs to talk him fast and make him realize his dreams of grandeur must wait for the good of the team. Sorry.

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  32. Why does Wenger continue putting arteta on? He loses Allen on the goal. I mean come on. What a waste. Put on Gabriel who is actually a defender. Needed the points because we have stoke next.

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    • I didn’t understand that sub either. Sure, in a game where we are getting possession he can help see it out, but it was all hands to the deck and Arteta’s legs at the best of times aren’t cut out for that anymore. Odd.

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  33. There will be a lot of gnashing of teeth over a missed opportunity. We might even cry offside for the last goal. But in my view, we could have lost but show character and gumption to come back TWICE. Which tells us we have self belief which has been solely lacking and we don’t panick.

    We also learnt that players like Walcott and Ox might not be suitable in certain games.

    We noted that Ramsey might prove a liability unless he gets checked.

    But we also know that Giroud contrary to everyone else is WC. Campbell is a terrific player.

    The big teams have played Liverpool and were destroyed and instead we came with a point and in light of the smash and grab by Leicester at Sours that’s a massive especially considering the psychological impact of still being on top.

    Now on to stoke, imminently tough but winnable.

    This can still be done. COYG

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  34. Cech’s saved us several times this season, but it wasn’t his night at all last night.

    He could have done better for the first goal, and definitely for the third. The second goal reminded me of Szczesny. I don’t know if his positioning/footwork was the best on that one.

    The good thing is that he’s gotten a below-par performance out of the wayz and we’ve come away with a point at anfield. Not the worst thing in the world.

    We really need to win at Stoke now.

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  35. After watching the last night game, I feel that Walcott playing with Ozil isn’t working as it should. Walcott movement off the ball at times is very predictable and thus kills the unpredictability of Ozil’s passes. I think it explains why most Ozil’s assist are to the rest of the players while logic will point that Walcott with his speed could be easily picked by Ozil. I also hope we could settle the central mid problem. I would suggest to drop Walcott and start Arteta if Mohamed isn’t ready.

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  36. Damn, so close. A good game.

    Aaaaand, I’m just gonna say it: as a footballer, Theo, is just not very smart. He’ll NEVER be a natural, instinctual player, so he needs to cut out the stupid crap. I’m not sure he can entirely, but if he keeps it simple he can be a useful, albeit exceedingly overrated, player on certain occasions.

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    • He’s talented, fast, and something gets good runs, but THIS is agree, George. He isn’t very intelligent or visionary, and he needs to stop acting like he is.

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  37. Joel Campbell (y) Nacho Monreal (y) Olivier Giroud (y) (y) PS: That Giroud goal (2nd one) is what I dream of him doing every match day before the game. Swift move and shoot!

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  38. Joel you didn’t get out while you could! great t see him prove the doubters wrong. a marvelous little player what a game, the first half was just insane in terms of intensity , pool played like the dortmund of old. the regrets is we had the upper hand in the second half and did not kill the game and we sat back too deep.
    arsene’s subtitution were bad! klopp got him on that one!

    cech : thank god he is here , am sure with our ex goalies liverpool could have past one or two more…

    the back four was not very sure
    bellerin started poorly , his positioning in defensive duties need to be improve asap! against the likes of neymar and suarez…. gosh i don’t even want to think about it !!!
    kos and mert are tired. they need to be rested or at least rotated with gabriel.

    monreal handled ibe much better in the second half. actually that ibe is a very good winger ( he takes his man on and deliver the crosses constantly )

    flam did well for me but he is let down by ramsey indiscipline.he must be a nightmare to partner with such an indisciplined midfielder. ok he can score but… what’s the point if we are been trashed in the middle of the park and have to play catch up.arsene should be ruthless and get as much money as he can come the summer!
    did mesut play?
    walcott : average player who has not improved really .his career sums up what’s wrong with english players ( hyped too young, talented but irregular, no desire to go learn the trade in the foreign leagues and stagnation..)
    the ox: looks like he is taking the walcott road…ox should have been loaned to italy or la liga , now i fear it’s too late
    giroud : what a season , what a game, what a cracker of a goal. he is on a mission. hope he stays injury free.

    please bring back alexis and this league is ours!

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  39. Does Ramsey know where midfield even is? I gave flamini a 10. He was a one man midfield against a 3 man midfield.

    Ramsey spent most of the game ahead of Ozil. See their 2nd. Ozil, Campbell and Theo have made it back but Ramsey is still 20 yards away.

    Wenger needs to give him a slap.

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  40. Sadly I felt that we would concede as soon as Ozil was substituted. It would have been better if Chambers had come in seeing that they had an aerial threat. For a team that plays so much possession football we seem to become Stoke everytime we have a one goal lead in the final few minutes of the game. Allen’s run was trackable. So many players got sucked towards the ball..

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  41. Ramsey is a bit culpable. He did well for us going forward but it also meant we risked it defensively as he became disassociated with Flamini leaving Flamini and the defense exposed.

    You won’t learn anything from By The Numbers.

    Say all you want about Coquelin this and that but Flamini put in a good shift today as did Monreal.

    But both Ozil and Ramsey had to come back in support quicker plus both our wide players Campbell and Walcott in particular were not switched on to Liverpool playrers coming in on the diagonal runs.

    Too much ball watching. At very least Campbell (who looked a tad leggy) as per usual put in a shift and made some great recovery tackles when caught out. Also his forward decision making is again outstanding.

    I feel Ramsey and Flamini have been slightly disassociated of late with the Welsh man being a bit too adventurous. He isn’t the sort of player like Santi who can keep the ball as well and when he gets caught out in slippery conditions no less, we are put under pressure bc Flamini isn’t the sort of player like Coquelin who can cover ground quite as quickly and would prefer to sit back and play a little more discipline.

    Walcott did not have a terribly good game either. One mazy run and a couple of decent moves but aside from that, defensive work was suspect (showed the opponent the inside) and not sufficient.

    Giroud was good today though. Worked hard for the team, scored two could have scored more yet bloody BBC McNulty would deem Firmino MOTM go figure.

    They make out Liverpool as enjoying the point better. They’ve slipped to 9th, we have loss some points on the lead but are still first with City drawing blank at home and Spurs losing (albeit Leicester still stubbornly clinging to us)

    Its still all to play for but what do you expect. We need some fresh legs and players back that’s all.

    Plenty to fight for and a good show of grit to come back. Pity we could not hold on to the ball.

    This is where we could benefit from another player who can play Santi’s role for us more so than Coquelin. We need a player who can retain the ball and relief pressure which is why I mentioned someone of the ilk of a Illaramendi.

    Elneny will provide an engine but I’m not sure quite how articulate he will eventually be with feet.

    If Ramsey can focus on being a bit more discipline, we can regain a bit more equilibrium in midfield. Do not expect miracles from Elneny or that he will be able to waltz in day one and suddenly sync with the rest of the team. That is highly unrealistic.

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    • Oh please spare us your flamini love fest…..it’s been obvious to anyone with half a brain that he and Ramsey do not mesh at all and would struggle against high pressing teams and look what happened. I shudder to think what would happen if we played spuds with that Axis…it’ll be like the Southampton game all over again.
      We get you like standing up for the underdogs or whatever, but please you need to chill out.

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  42. Naturally, I was pissed off after the game as we really should have taken all 3 pts. But once I got hold of the Man City result and then later the Spurs result, I felt a little less pissed off.
    The day’s results were indicative of the League this year in that no one wants to run away with it and that it will probably come down to the wire again.
    I kept re-watching that last goal to see if someone switched off and missed their man but after multiple viewings, it looks like after we blocked that free kick, everyone thought job done and collectively switched off for just a second, but that was enough for us to get punished.
    2 pts most definitely dropped! Let’s win at Stoke and get the good feelings rolling again.
    Campbell and Giroud were immense.

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    • Fair comments. Campbell really does continue to impress. We’re in with a shout for sure. And man do we all deserve it.

      Hope we can turn the orcs over, and early.

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  43. I’m glad Wenger is the manager is in charge and none of fans lol. Otherwise players would have been sold already Giroud, Ramsey, Campbell. Seems like chamberlain is the new whipping boy yet people forget he is younger than the 3 mentioned and has got time on his side. With Wenger we know he can bring the best out of him, he’s at low confidence at the moment so show some support. Person that I would look at yesterday would be Walcott offered nothing on the wing. Campbell MOM for me. Outstanding work rate!!

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  44. Disagree with the statement on Cech – the save for the 1st goal should’ve been around the post (I didn’t watch BT Sport because I stupidly didn’t check to see what channel it was on) so my opinion of it isn’t influenced by them.

    It seems like the narrative is that because Cech is an upgrade on the previous goalkeepers that he can do no wrong. He’s not perfect (nobody is) so I’m not berating him for it, but that doesn’t mean his mistakes should be ignored.

    Even if he should’ve parried it behind the goal, where were his teammates on the follow up?

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  45. I must say I feel a bit apprehensive about the Stoke game. I can only imagine Hughes will be looking to set up his team to get us on the counter with the three attackers, a transitionary midfielder, and then a battalion of hungry orcs in defence. I wonder whether it might be an idea to place Chambers in the middle with Flamini and leave Ramsey out, or place him on the wing, at some point in the game, and try to play them at their own game. If Stoke are going to set themselves up for the counter then we have to be solid in defence. As much as I am a massive Ramsey defence, I don’t think enough solidity will come from Flamini sitting deep, and I don’t think Ramsey is best playing that role either.

    Its a punt and certainly something I don’t see Wenger risking, but while the new lad settles in, I wonder whether Chambers getting the nod, with Ramsey on the wing, might be a decent option. It would mean leaving out Alexis, which is mad if he’s fit, or Campbell which is unfair on him given his form. But it feels like one of those games where if we concede first, its a Sisyphean task to chase the game. So perhaps it would be better to make attacking substitutions later on with Theo and Alexis or Campbell coming on later on as we look to nick a result.

    For me, we left Liverpool with far too much space outside our area last Wednesday and I actually think in terms of attackers, Stoke might actually have better finishers of the ball. This could really be a banana-skin, I’m hoping we approach this one with the concentration it deserves.

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  46. Flamini and Ramsey as a partnership are absolute dogshit against a semi decent and drilled side. Ironically and weirdly i thought they were both good individually but as a pair they were dominated in there.

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