Arsenal 2-0 Hull City – player ratings

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Arsenal put the shits up Chelsea by smashing Hull 2-0 at the Emirates today.

Here’s how the players rated.

PC
33
7.5
HB
24
6.5
SM
20
6.5
LK
6
7
KG
3
6
FC
34
5.5
AOC
15
8
11
5
AI
17
6
AS
7
6.5
TW
14
5.5
PC
33
7.5
HB
24
6
SM
20
7
LK
6
7.5
KG
3
6
FC
34
6.5
AOC
15
8
11
6
AI
17
6.5
AS
7
6
TW
14
6.5
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33: Petr Cech

7.5
arseblog
7.5
Readers
45

Made a couple of really good saves

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24: Hector Bellerin

6
arseblog
6.5
Readers
37

Good to see him back and do 90

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20: Shkodran Mustafi

7
arseblog
6.5
Readers
54

He was decent

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6: Laurent Koscielny

7.5
arseblog
7
Readers
5

Some top defending at times

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3: Kieran Gibbs

6
arseblog
6
Readers
23

Quite rusty

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34: Francis Coquelin

6.5
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5.5
Readers
40

Some good effort but with dodgy passing

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15: Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain

8
arseblog
8
Readers
12

Worked hard, tried hard, very good in the middle

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11: Mesut Özil

6
arseblog
5
Readers
28

Some nice touches but looks shorn of confidence

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17: Alex Iwobi

6.5
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6
Readers
46

Did fine, tired late on

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7: Alexis Alexis

6
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6.5
Readers
38

Was terrible but also scored twice. Confusingly badgood

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14: Theo Walcott

6.5
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5.5
Readers
11

Aggressive, the hatchet man we've long needed

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35: Mohamed Elneny

6
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6.5
Readers
51

Energetic

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23: Danny Welbeck

6
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6.5
Readers
39

Like Mugatu he's so hot right now

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9: Lucas Perez

6
arseblog
7
Readers
55

Denied a goal by a great save... from a defender

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Bonus rating: 10/10 Clucas saves from Lucas!

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The Dude

Hansel… Hansel is so hot right now

Tyler Briscoe

Can we still win the title with 13 games remaining? Like yes, Dislike no.

gooner of Oz

I totally doubt we would ever win another title with Wenger’s supervision. Have doubted so for more than a couple of seasons now (which sadly proved to be exactly the case…)
I’d always bet on a CL qtalification though.

Si

Who cares what you doubt? Even with fans like you holding back Arsenal we will have another great run after we beat Bayer Munich and prove you exatcly wrong

Arsensarmy

How is that being dillusional. The frustration that the fans are feeling is very much justifiable. arsenal are a club that has little in the way of accountability or incentive. And that starts at the top and trickles down to the players. Wenger won today but it could have easily gone the other way. In the end a win is a win and all that, but as a whole arsenal barely went thru the motions. Walcott was atrocious and has been more often than not. He is god awful at tracking back as well. But when healthy he always starts the same can be said of Ramsey. Perez can’t seem to get a league start but when introduced into the game he is electrifying brings pace and coverage. Bayern didn’t look their best today but they dominated possession and in the end got 2 goals and seem focused on arsenal come Tuesday. Hopefully coquilen will be rested for the Bayern match in place of xhaka and elneny. Drop Ozil for chamberlain and add welbeck and Perez to the wide areas. That will never happen though. Instead Walcott will start along with Ozil and imwobi. Again no accountability. Wenger never asking questions of his players because no one asks questions of him.

A Gooner

With all due respect and certainly without any prejudice against any person or any nationality…. I can’t help but notice so many comments made from “fans” living in many parts of the world and clearly people that have bought in to the world wide franchise that Arsenal now are. I don’t disrespect your views, but I want you to understand mine as a now grown man who was taken to see my beloved team from childhood, grew to become an almost obsessed fan and ended up paying the highest season ticket in Europe somehow. Being a fan of any London based club is tough as it’s based on bragging rights over your teams success… we used to have loads of that! But more so we have always been the club that set the standards, made great players gentlemen and taught them class!

So as much as I am annoyed at losing and being second best, I am more upset that my teams identity has been taken away and we are expected to accept the success of the business we now are over the team that as teenagers and young men we actually physically fought for.

So when you next blog from Asia or elsewhere. Make sure you are trying to at least be in touch with why so mant true Arsenal fans are so hurt and angry. You’ll never feel the emotion of walking on to the north bank at Highbury on match day. So until you can, maybe keep it to local blogs and leave us true Gooners to be pissed off for real reasons!

Squiggle

Life’s too short to respond to all your idiocy but 2 points:

1) This site is run by an Irishman, not a Londoner. Given your comments what are you doing here?

2) Anyone who ever ‘physically fought’ over football has no business lecturing others on being ‘gentlemen’ or being taught ‘class’.

Gar14

Squiggle – Love it!

igbo amadi-obi

I live in Nigeria so I guess I am one of those being referred to as incapable of feeling what you feel for Arsenal. Like Squiggle I have two things to say:

1. You made it sound like every one of you who grew up around Highbury speaks with one voice and reacts in the same way on every subject, including the manager’s tenure. But we watch on TV and we see you guys unfurl all kinds of banners for and against Wenger. We even see you fight on account of you divided opinion and loyalty. So do you still feel that your ‘authentic’ Arsenal feelings is owed to your geography?
2. I believe there are still a couple of ‘very London’ clubs out there with very little interest from outsiders. I recommend you go support those. Because I do not see how you are unable to tell that the Arsenal of today has grown beyond you and your narrow mind. Or you have not noticed that it is now owned by an American, has a Russian with substantial shares, is coached by a French man, has players from Germany, Spain, Egypt, France, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Chile, etc, sells merchandise to people in Vietman and is watched on TV by people in my village in South-east Nigeria, and followed on the internet by anyone with a mobile phone and access to data. Yet you want us to comment on only local blogs?

Me

Wenger and Cech have both spoken of a target of 87 points to be in with a chance of winning the title. With Chelsea as they are, it’s still up for debate whether that will even be enough. Nevertheless, we can only afford to drop two more points this entire season be even be in with a chance. I don’t think it’s very likely at all that we will win, but as I am the most unrealistic optimist I know, if we win every game I’m still conficend we can at least convincingly challenge. However the realistic person in me knows that we’ll probably lose our next league game and then it’ll be all over

greg

Sadly we still have pool, spuds, man ure, city, Everton to play

teams with managers who know exactly how to set up against aw

we wont win more than 2 of those games

Me

Exactly, even though on paper we should be able to win all

greg

that’s the crux of it

we have the players. We just don’t have the tactics or in game discipline to do it when it really matters

Arsensarmy

We will be challenging for our coveted 4th place trophy. Still if Wenger makes champions league for I think the 21st or 22nd straight year that is amazing. But is that good enough for the club and ultimately for the fans. Should a top four finish, reaching the knockout stage of the champions league and a deep FA cup run be enough. Personally I don’t think so.

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If this was 15 yeas ago then there would always be a chance but those days have long since gone where our stamina put us above most teams

nurlosaurus

The ox is proving me wrong. If he can sustain this level of play we have lots to look forward to!
Not the most beautiful football today, but a win is a win.
Welbeck just looks so hungry whenever he comes on, hope he starts vs Bayern!

AP

Liking Ox in the middle, if he is a confident player he can give us that elusinevess in tight spots that we miss in Santa’s absence, I’ll never forget his escape from danger agaisnt citeh away a few years back. When he’s feeling low is when he tends to sloppily give the ball away…hope he keeps this run of form up.

Clive St Helmet

At one point he received an awkward ball to feet, back away from goal and under pressure. He turned neatly and started a counter, Santi Cazorla like.

Very encouraging performance again. I have to say, I’m a fan of him deep in midfield.

Wie

Problem with Ox is that he is usually so good against lesser opponents but fade out when we play against big names. I will wait until Bayern to say anything about his future in the middle or Arsenal

loose_cannon

Ox MotM for me, some eye-catching runs and passes and a lot of work throughout. I think he’d work better in a 3 in midfield to give him a bit more freedom to get forward on and off the ball and to press, Ramsey as well actually.

PFo

Definitely Man of the Match, as supported by the ratings on here.

The fact that Alan Smith (bless his heart) awarded it not to the Ox but to Alexis is symptomatic of a) the incredibly poor standard of football commentating (and Smith is one of the good guys, obviously), and b) the incredibly easy time that fans and media give Alexis when he’s not playing particularly well. He had two goals (one a fortuitous ricochet off his arm, the other from a poorly taken penalty), but otherwise was mediocre at best. I’m guessing the guys on arsenal fan tv give him an 8 out of 10.
Not that I’m attacking Alexis. I love the guy. But when Ozil will no doubt get torn to pieces after today’s performance, in which things weren’t clicking but he still had some decent moments (and the likes of Walcott, Ramsey, and Giroud also get unrelenting stick for every subpar performance), it’s only fair that fans (we know the media are hopeless) show some balance in how they assess players.
But for a sizable portion of folks who watch Arsenal, Alexis can do no wrong…

Arsensarmy

The differences between Alexis and that of Walcott and Ramsey are staggering, and should not be diminished. When Alexis is having an off game he still does the hard stufff. He doesn’t shy away from the unglamorous side of the game. He chaces opponents down and tracks back. In short he hustles. That can’t be said at all to describe Ramsey or Walcott. I understand players will not always have their A game but they can still do the things that don’t show up on the highlight reels but play an equally vital part in turning out wins.

PFo

Hey, I totally agree. As people who have seen my comments on here before will attest, I’m no big fan of Theo or Ramsey. In both cases, I think their average performance over the last several years is simply not good enough for an elite club (they’ve both had considerable purple patches in that time as well), and Arsene’s tolerance of seriously below par performers in the hopes that eventually they’ll reach their potential is one of the chief reasons, I think, that we’ve underperformed in the last few years.

But there’s nothing inconsistent about believing (as I do) both that Ramsey and Theo (and Giroud, and some others) are frustratingly average a lot of the time, AND thinking that they also get unfair stick from fans when they have the merest hint of a bad game.

On the other hand, there’s nothing inconsistent about thinking both that Alexis is a bloody brilliant player, AND that he gets off light in terms of criticism, from players and pundits alike, particularly in comparison to Ozil, who is often defended to the hilt by a sizable faction of fans (me included), but is equally maligned by another faction as well as by pretty much the entire media establishment, every time he has a few quiet/off games (and, I would suggest, there are many games when he has a “quietly good” performance, but these are never really chalked up in his favor, such that, when he has a so-so game like today, people don’t say “ah yes, but he was excellent the other week”; they say “when was the last time he took a game by the scruff of the neck!”).

The difference between the two, I think, is revealed in your comment: Alexis gets off easy because he “doesn’t shy away from the unglamorous side of the game”. People love this: we’re all suckers for a trier. And this is precisely what people criticize Ozil for failing to do: getting stuck in, working his socks off, etc, etc, cliche, cliche. But, I would suggest, just as average Alexis is still better than, e.g., Ramsey and Walcott most of the time, I would suggest the same applies to average Ozil: but rather than embracing the “unglamorous side”, it’s his sublime touch, the weight and choice of his passing, etc, that raise his average performances above the rest. Today he wasn’t great, he gave the ball away more than usual, but it was still his give-and-go with Iwobi and cross, in a tight penalty area, that created the all-important first breakthrough. If he doesn’t do that, we don’t score, and how many others on the pitch are likely to see and exploit that space and create that chance at that moment?

loose_cannon

I think PFo more than has a point here though. In general the fans have favourites and inevitably that colours their game by game assessments. And just my opinion but while Alexis worked hard today but I don’t think he really worked any harder than Walcott

Arsensarmy

You and I must have been watching different games. Walcott was sloppy in possession and when it came time to close players was either late or just didn’t do it. Or worse just doesn’t care. The only thing that Alexis can be faulted for is hanging on to the ball for to long in an attempt to make something happen. Their were many instances where he could have kept possession by laying the ball off and moving.

loose_cannon

“The only thing that Alexis can be faulted for is hanging on to the ball for to long in an attempt to make something happen. Their were many instances where he could have kept possession by laying the ball off and moving.”

So what you’re saying is Alexis was sloppy in possession…? 😉

PFo

I’ve always liked the midfield three idea (Ozil can adapt to play in a fluid front three), but I actually think the Ox is fine in a midfield two, just like Cazorla.

loose_cannon

I should have said he’d work EVEN better in a 3, I think he’s good in a 2 as well though the real test will be against those that press us high and centrally. I think Ozil as part of a fluid front 3 could work but the issue is can he get forward and track back from the wide positions, is he athletic enough? He struggled badly against Chelsea there, so much so we changed back to a 4-2-3-1. I also think he could play CM in a 3 as well, making a similar transition to Iniesta, Modric, KdB and Lallana, though it would require an increase in intensity. But if Lallana can do it Ozil surely can too

PFo

I don’t think we switched Ozil and Iwobi around because Ozil was “struggling badly” there. We switched them around (I even heard they had a chat on the field and just decided to do it themselves) because we were 1-0 down in a tough game and we reverted back to what we know best. But it was also the first time we’ve played that way in ages, and surely players take time to adjust. Coutinho is hardly a grafter, but he does just fine on the left of a front three. Ozil also plays in a similar role for Germany at times, including at the WC. Part of the point of switching to the extra man in midfield is to give more freedom to the 3 forwards anyway. I think it makes more sense than playing him in midfield, especially based on the way he’s become more of a forward this season (at least when Alexis is in the middle). Iwobi is a much more natural midfielder for a 3, I think, along with the Ox and the other obvious cental midfielders we have.

Stillmatic

It was because Pedro kept waltzing into our side with ease and yes, Ozil didn’t track him.
Ozil doesn’t work in a midfield 3. Didn’t at Real when they tried to change things, doesn’t in Germany (and why Low plays him wide) and didn’t when Wenger tried it here last season (so moved him wide when he tried the 4-3-3/4-1-4-1).

PFo

1. That wasn’t last season, that was the season before. And I don’t think Wenger even tried him in the middle in that formation; he was immediately out wide.
2. I disagree about the Chelsea match, but you can believe your version of events if you’d like. (And isn’t part of the reason for a 4-3-3 that the wide players don’t have to track back as much as in a 4-2-3-1? Is, e.g., Neymar, responsible for tracking the opposition’s right winger?)
3. I agree he doesn’t work in a midfield 3 (not unless you count the traditional number 10 role as part of midfield). But he will work in a front 3, if given time to adjust.

loose_cannon

I think the idea of switching to a 4-3-3 in the Chelsea match was to make sure we could dominate midfield. 3 in midfield lets both CMs press knowing there’s a DM to sweep up behind them and cover gaps, and it worked for the most part, putting Matic and Kante under a lot of pressure and stopping them pressing as well in case they leave space in behind. But we were uncompetitive on the flanks, particularly down Ozil’s side with Pedro and Moses. Would have been a perfect game for Welbeck on the left actually. When we shifted back to a 4-2-3-1, Kante and Matic were allowed to come forward unimpeded by Ozil, with Ox and Coq too deep to press effectively.

I think the Coutinho comparison is interesting because from what I’ve seen, Coutinho works much harder than Ozil off the ball (though in fairness, Liverpool work harder than Arsenal in general, they just also happen to have very average defenders). Coutinho is also more of a forward in the sense that he’s more of a goal threat than Ozil, much more likely to shoot. And it’s funny you think Iwobi is more suited to CM than Ozil because I’d say Iwobi is more suited to LW as well, doesn’t say a lot for Ozil if his only convincing position is no10. He’s even moved back to the middle for Germany. For the record I do think Ozil can play in a front 3 as well as a middle 3 but he needs to do more physically either way

Hi-brid

Thought Ox was excellent today. Drove forward and emerged from tight situations surrounded by a clutch of Hull players two or three times. Just wish he would continue and drive into the box to make something happen too, as some of our passing around the box today was really wasteful.

One Player Down

It is Hansel that is so how right now Blogs

Rodriguino

Typically Ox game tbh, eye catching moves but ultimately fails in the final third. Must admit though, not bad for a fourth string CM. 3 pts is all that matters.

Alex

This is a very accurate comment whether people like it or not
Ox has never struggled against genuinely shit opposition like we came up against today. Who cares? You’re kiddling yourself if you think he’s anything more than a mediocre player

Frank Bascombe

He’s a better than average player and you’re kidding yourself if you think you know better.

Why Not

So lets ignore his excellent performances against ac milan and bayern were we beat them 3-0 and 2-0 respectively to fit your opinion.

Domenik

Lineup vs Bayern: Ospina; Bellerin, Mustafi, Koscielny, Monreal; Xhaka, Ox; Özil, Welbeck, Walcott; Alexis.

Thierry Bergkamp

Bayern only played for 10 mins today, they should be well and truly fresh midweek

Arsensarmy

I saw the 2nd half of that match and Bayern coasted. They dominated possession and basically went thru the motions. In a good way. They are set up so well, rarely make a bad pass and play fantastic team defense. They will be hard to break down. They can beat arsenal with possession or on the counter. We will need to be at our best to pull out a win. I would sit Walcott and play Perez. Would love to see chamberlain play in Ozils roll and drop elneny in with xhaka. A 4-4-2 would be nice with Perez and Sanchez up top and then move welbeck and imwobi out wide but Wenger will never start like that. He’ll wait until they are down by 2 or three goals.

Paul

Ozil and Alexis were not good enough today.

Alex

yes let’s leave the team’s best two players out for, uh, who?

Surely Oxlade-Chamberlain will play well against a good team f!or the first time in his life!

BromleyGooner

Did you watch the Chelsea game?

BromleyGooner

I must have watched a different game regarding Alexis. Should have taken his chance in the first half, but he played many so many great passes in the final third when we were looking a bit stale.

Alex

Surprised to see Mesut lacking confidence? Hearing from the media, pundits and fans all day long that he is crap, even if he does much good to the team, is nothing good for self-confidence

gooner1981

We’re going to need speed from our fullbacks, and our wide midfielders to track back against Bayern. I would love to see Welbeck start the game against Bayern. Also, hope we stick with Gibbs/Bellerin …

Not much to say about today, except thankfully no-one injured, and three points in the bag.

Olivije ziru

What Gibbs did today to deserve a head start on Monreal?

Olivije ziru

I was reading comments on Twitter and Facebook about Ozil. He really doesn’t deserve that much hate he gets. I really think he won’t sign just because of fans. who would if I am being honest. Of course he is not immune on that much critics.

Overall we knew it was going to be a tough game. Hull are in good form also. Only 3 points were important today and not how we got them. We had a great confidence issue today.

+Wenger deserves much much more respect. I feel sad for him and embarrassed at Arsenal fanbase. He does not deserve treatment like that.

gooner of Oz

Gibbs deserves a couple more points for his well done tactical foul on Markovic. Something we lack in many matchs we bottle up. Just imagine Monreal playing “clean football” and we would lose our 1 nill advantage.

chippy's chip

If only coq couldve done the same to hazard. The last 10 seasons have been acase of IF ONLY… Time to go!

Olar

You’d have been here blaming him if he had been rightly sent off

chippy's chip

No! Its called a tactical foul to stop a goal scoring opportunity and should have been a straight red as gibbs was last man. Coq wasnt last man! Also known as taking one for the team. We got away with it .

gooner of Oz

Keep Chamberlain in first 11 for Bayern and replace Iwobi with Elneny for Bayern clash and Im sure we go next round

chippy's chip

Alexis 10 out of 10 for saving wengers skin again

Bergkamps bronze statue.
Bergkamps bronze statue.

I think all the ratings are generous.

Sean

Assuming the back 5 (with the exception of maybe gibbs/nacho) picks itself on Wednesday, what about this for a line-up: Elneny, Xhaka, Ox as a midfield three, with Ozil on the left, Welbeck on the right and Alexis up top. My main concern would of course be the fact this is an entirely new midfield set up. But looking at the way we struggled to control the game today, I’d be more inclined to risk something new than go with a line-up that’s almost guaranteed to come up short in Munich. I’m encouraged by Ox in the centre, but we still need someone who will come and collect the ball off the centre halves alongside him, so that he can concentrate on the box-to-box role. Coq-Ox seems to have a lot of the same problems as the Ramsey-Coq partnership, and there’s a danger things could get very ugly against Bayern’s midfield if we stick with it for Wednesday.

PFo

I think Coq-Ox is a big upgrade on Coq-Ramsey, mostly because Ox can drop deep to take care of the ball and distribute it well. But I agree with you that a midfield three makes sense against Bayern, especially as Xhaka should be preferred over Coquelin for his all around play in that deep role, but neither Xhaka nor Ox are as good at tackling/intercepting as Coq, so a third body in there (Elneny or Coquelin) should give us more solidity.

The problem near the end of this game wasn’t so much an inability to control the ball the way we struggle with Ramsey-Coq (for instance), but rather it was that, in spite of bringing Elneny on for Walcott (the right decision, imo), we pushed the Ox to the right instead of keeping him in the centre. With Ozil pushing on all day looking for the counter (he does this way more with Alexis playing as false 9 than he does when Giroud’s in there; I think this is partially on AW’s instruction, and partially because Ozil always naturally finds the space, and the space with Alexis playing deeper is in behind), and neither wide man really tucking in (even less so when we brought two out-and-out forwards on to play on the wings!) we looked like we were playing a 4-2-4 at the end!!!! The game was ridiculously, needlessly stretched.

Keeping the Ox, our best player today, on in the centre alongside Elneny and Coquelin, with Ozil, Alexis, and Iwobi (or one of the speedy subs) looking to counter, should have given us a bit more midfield control and allowed us to see the game out. Instead, we played Russian roulette with a decent-looking Hull team who were chasing an equalizer and we got lucky that the inevitable last minute goal was ours, rather than theirs. Wenger’s tactics, man…

Arsensarmy

If Wenger plays his typical 4-2-3-1 I would start Czech, bellerin, mustafi, koz, Gibbs/monreal,
Xhaka, elneny, welbeck and Perez as the wide men and chamberlain in the 10 spot with Sanchez up top. I would love to see a 4-4-2 with Perez and Sanchez up top. But that will never happen unless we are down by two or three goals.

loose_cannon

A middle 3 of Xhaka, Elneny and Ox, with Xhaka sweeping doesn’t sound too bad at all, could replace Elneny with Iwobi if we’re chasing a goal later on as well and need the firepower. For reasons already I’ve already discussed earlier on this thread I’m not totally convinced about Ozil out wide yet and in Welbeck, Iwobi, Perez and Walcott (and Sanchez if we went with Giroud up top) I feel we have better options. So I’d have Welbeck left and Walcott or Perez right and Alexis up top to start

Copelandao

Mugatu wasn’t the one that was so hot right now – Hansel, he’s so hot right now, just like dat guy Welbz!

cheesed off

For me it should be: Opsina, bellarin, mustafi, Kos, Gibbs, xhaka, ox, elneny, iwobi, welbeck and Lucas

COYG

Özil öut

Gervinho

Ozil is immune to outside criticism. If you listen to him speak, it’s obvious that he’s an incredibly disciplined and intelligent person. The only critic he cares about is Arsene Wenger.

But just in case he’s digging deep into the Arseblog comments, I’ll say that he needs to take his chances better when we play against Bayern.

PFo

So apparently, the Arsenal fans have spoken and Ozil was our worst player today. Really??!?! I’m not suggesting he had a very good game, but was he noticeably worse than about half the team? I don’t think so. He tried several things that didn’t come off today. He also had a couple of sublime touches and was instrumental in both goals. What about Hector Bellerin and Kieran Gibbs and Francis Coquelin?? Didn’t think they were so great today, but somehow an Ozil performance counts as “poor” when a roughly equivalent performance from these guys (relative to their different roles in the team) counts as “ok”. Iwobi was solid but unspectacular. I thought Theo actually had a solid game too, looking after the ball well for once (always looks much better with Hector behind him), and yet he made next to no impact in the final third. Still no one’s criticizing him for this, as they would Ozil if the same were true of him.
And don’t get me started on Alexis: other than the (somewhat fortuitous) goals, not even close to his best. I’m ok with that, I don’t need to trash players every time they’re under par. But according to many fans (and David Pleat, and the moron running the BBC live stream) Alexis was great today. Alan Smith gave him man of the match!

All this means is that The Narrative that has largely lain dormant for the last two years as Mesut has been one of our best players, is now gaining momentum again (it started after the City game, and, in spite of him not even playing that much football since then, it’s been growing apace in the media and online): Ozil is a weakling, a bottler, a lazy, soft wuss, who gets indulged and accommodated by Wenger. He’s “nicking a living”, and he’s the chief source of everything that’s wrong with our team at the moment. He should be dropped. Etc.

The fact is, none of that’s true. We can all acknowledge that he’s not in the best form, and people are welcome to conclude he’s not worth the huge wages he’s reportedly asking for, but the idea that today, or any game recently, he’s the chief culprit, worthy of a lower rating than anyone else on the field, or the chief reason we’re struggling, is a bizarre fantasy.

santori

Yeah its ridiculous how some people have favorites that they rate higher than reality.

Case in point recently Jenko now Elneny and to some extent Welbeck.

Ozil was really trying today. He was pissed off when he could not get to a couple of balls that rolled out of touch.

I think what he lacks isn’t work ethic. He needs a tad bit more aggression to his play to get to the ball first and not get pushed off it too easily.

But he is trying.

Vonnie

Unfortunately it seems that a lot of people believe the agenda, instead of looking at the game. Mesut is one of the best playmakers in the world, but even he can’t make it happen when our main striker is half way up the pitch behind him, there’s no movement and there’s nobody anywhere near the box. Arsene seems to be trying to change Mesut into some kind of Theo Walcott, making runs that other players ignore, and generally ruining what he does best. We need someone who will get into the box, and let Mesut work his wizardry. Alexis seems to be above reproach even when he’s playing badly, Mesut gets criticised even when he’s trying to make things happen, it’s wrong.

PFo

Yeah, though I actually think the whole Ozil running in behind thing is adding a new arrow to his quiver (or whatever the dumb saying is) rather than ruining his game. But I think it’s a matter of balance: a) he needs to not do it all the time, and in some games I think he’s looking for those runs too much, b) if he’s going to play that way, then we need to consider him a forward, not a midfielder, and the team needs to compensate accordingly. That’s AW’s job. Either Iwobi needs to play as a third midfielder or we need to bring someone else in, like Elneny, who will do that job. Also, Alexis needs to be constantly reminded that his first responsibility is to make sure he’s getting into the box, without this totally curtailing his freedom (again, dropping deep as false 9 is good, but sometimes he does it too much; it’s like he’s trying to be the exact opposite of Giroud: anywhere but in the penalty area!). And maybe we should play Perez or Welbeck over Walcott, because he’s another one who’s all about getting on the end of stuff, and if we have too many of those types on the field at once, we get stretched like at the end of this game (though to be fair, he had gone off by then).

Riku

Would be tempted to start Giroud against Bayern , he has a history of scoring against them and we could do with someone holding ball up in their half. To relieve pressure from their passing .Plus he’s a huge threat of corners which we always get a lot of.
I would go with a
433

Mo.e. Coq ox
Alexis Giroud ozil

( but also want well beck for his work rate and Perez in for his goals and thro for his pace on break !)

Mo.e. In to work hard against their possession football , similar style to Swiss Footbsll too , and he scored against barca last year in same round

1-1 to bring back to London .

Matt P

I agree Ozil is not the chief culprit at all. However, I believe he is worthy of significant criticism, as are most of the rest of the team to greater or lesser extents.
Having said that, playing below potential is one thing, looking disinterested, pissed off etc is another.
He and Sanchez really act like prima donnas at times.
Not good enough I’m afraid

stefangunner

I like Walcott but he is one of Arsenal’s weaks.I think that his goalscoring run made us forget that he cannot control ball,cannot pass the ball,cannot beat opositions’ backs and is poor in defending.I would start Welbz or Perez before him all day long.
Also when I saw that fucking rode Peter Crouch has scored 100 goals in Pl and that Theo hasn’t reached that milestone yet,it made me sick.

gordy

I don’t understand why the two wide players were rated as highly. Iwobi has no left foot and can’t shoot, Theo did one good thing when he had a go at the lineman and we have Welbeck and Lucas getting cold on the bench. At least Alexis and Ozil kept running and hussling and had some vision. Ox really could be great.

George

Agreed. I thought Theo and Iwobi were awful. We were so narrow it was absurd.

I don’t know if it’s the system or the personnel, but no seems interested in playing wide when selected on the flank. We used to be so damned good at it too.

greg

surprised ozil got 6!

Wasn’t surprised aw bottled taking him off. its okay mesut look disinterested and do fuck all, sure as hell aw don’t have the balls to sub you

Matt P

Looks like the Mesut mob are out in full thumbing down any criticism.
He was very average again today. Looked disinterested , pissed off etc.
And most importantly didn’t do much
Not worth the $$$
Sell him

Conchetumadre

We still not playing like a championship team. Very confusing.

Aching

Ozil awfully lazy. Pulls out of challeges and just generally not bothered to do much

santori

Gibbs was off the pace at times and a lot of their threat came down that flank for a while.

Mustafi is better than you rate him.

Ox again doing sterling work and found slightly better balance with Coquelin. I think Granit is back next game but if these two start to find balance, may persist with them for a bit.

Alexis is trying too hard at times. You feel he needs someone like Lucas to help carry some of the burden.

Ozil is trying. He was extremely frustrated. You can see he was trying to get to a couple of balls that trickled out and he was pissed off. That shot in the box was symptomatic of our efforts at large, too rushed but it would have been a great goal. In the end nothing came off for him. I don’t think he is lazy but he needs to put in a bit more fight and aggression.

I’m not sure how Elneny is ‘energetic’. To me he is a willing runner but brings nothing extra.

Welbeck came on and was hot and cold.

PepKlopp

A dodgy performance, but a big win. Same defensive vulnerabilities. Good thing Hull players can’t finish and Cech played well. Sky Sports has a good article today on our defensive weaknesses. The same problems every year and wenger is too daft or stubborn to change.

Walcott tried hard but he’s pretty useless. All he brings to the team is a one dimensional run on to balls and take swing with the right foot. He can’t cross, dribble, or defend…useless. Give Welbeck or Perez a chance on the right.

Glen Helders left foot
Glen Helders left foot

How does Walcott get a game? He literally does nothing to influence the game. He really is a symbol of all that’s wrong with wenger last 10 years

santori

Agree. Not sure how he is rated so highly here.

In this game, he was ineffective and for a player of his experience (not saying he is the only one culpable), guilty of a lack of composure in front of goal.

Wenger has been guilty of mollycoddling (sounds vaguely perverse) but he has been better these days with more options to field.

Felt he could have put on Lucas way earlier.

One thing though with Ox deployed centrally is the speed merchant is mostly Walcott now.

May have influenced the decision a little with us playing Alexis up top.

Wie

100% agree. That’s part of Wenger i hate so much. He puts so much faith on unconsistent players so much that it hurts the team.

BromleyGooner

He has scored 14 goals this season which is pretty good and has stepped up since the start of the season

Ethan Sims

I really hope we get to see a front 3 of Welbeck, Sanchez and Perez against Bayern. Maybe in front of a true central midfield 3, Ox, Xhaka, Iwobi? Not sure Ozil fits against a big team…and he’s really having a poor run of form.

Mpls

When Lucas is on the pitch goals happen.
Get that man some playing time.

I’ll contradict myself now and say, Theo worked hard today and was up for it. The right side is not where we do buildup play, it’s a run and cross side. And he’s supposed to attack the net, so he did his job.

Ozil’s touch and passing are off. I hope he finds them back right quick. I know Alexis almost had the assist with Lucas, but he’s got to look for more than just Ozil and sometimes Iwobi.

Holyviper

Some fans have don’t think 4th place is a bad thing. There, I said it. It’s like we take it for granted that we deserve to win the League. I’m glad we’re up there, ALWAYS, even after playing against teams that go shopping for players like they’ve won the lottery every transfer window. I’m glad neutral fans look at us as a graceful football team, always in the mix for the top, ethically run, with fans that have a voice, and with a legend for a manager. Let me remind you: sure I want more, but it doesn’t cloud my appreciation for what I have. Don’t confuse ambition for entitlement.

And yes, I’d be butthurt if we had to play on a Thursday, ever again.

santori

4th spot ISN”t a bad thing.

BUT we have been achieving better than 4th in recent seasons (plus FA cups)

AND it isn’t to be confused by our top ambition.

Our minimum finish is 4th (and St Toptteringhams) which has been achieved for over 2 decades.

Our ambition is always title and maybe CL.

You need to get your head clear.

Look at Liverpool. Pundits keep bigging them up. They have not won a title for HALF a CENTURY! And that’s with countless managerial changes. In recent seasons, they have been inconsistent even in top 4.

Look at Spurs. Again another media favorite but in reality perennial chokers since black and white TV and again plenty of managerial geniuses better than Wenger cycled through to no success.

Granted we do not compare ourselves to the pretenders and we have fallen short of our own potential.

Nothing will be decided with the gaffer till end of season.

Until then as a fan, we need to back the team and the manager in the terraces not put up silly pathetic signs that add to a toxic and tepid atmosphere the media will only lap up.

That’s where I’d say Liverpool fans perhaps somewhat deluded have always been great at, backing the team.

Stop whinging, start singing.

George

That was a slog.

Alexis needs to stop turning 360 every time he receives the ball.

Theo needs to wear the same kit as the rest (anyone else notice how long it took before Coquelin came to calm him down? I wanted a wider shot, but I thought Theo was going to slug that Orc or Clatterberk before then).

The back-4 needs to sort itself out. And I’ve no idea how that will happen.

Our central pairings are a mess – no surprise there with the instability. But, how come Coquelin isn’t breaking up play as much? Don’t know.

Eh, I won’t over-analyse, but that was far from convincing and we need massive improvement, from everyone, for Bayern.

Docj

On Koscielny: when comment is “Some top defending AT TIMES”, that really doesn’t merit a 7.5. Kos really had some bad moments today. Defenders can’t afford to be good “at times”; if that’s the case against Bayern, it’ll be a very long evening

Matt P

Agree. Koscielny is putting in REALLY mixed performances. Seems to do some really good things and really bad things in the same game, frequently.

greg

If there is anything to learn of late can ozil stop taking corners. They are fucking awful

Onenil

Usually I love watching Ozil play, but at the moment nothing is working right.
It’s ike Donny’s bowling, in The Big Lebowski. I am worried for him.

Matt P

Not sure why Ozil gets a 6. A 4 for me. Didn’t do much at all, looked listless and frustrated.

Scott Lawton

I said it last week, and again the week, Coq was no good. His defence is OK, but he gave away the ball way to much again with bad passing. I think he needs a break and El Neny should take his place along side Ox with the instruction to play the mid field sentinel role to let Ox drive forward. Which he did really well today. Driving the ball forward from deep at pace is so good to watch.

For some reason I think Coq feels he needs to make up for Cazorla not being in the team by driving high up the pitch and trying the tricky passes. I get we need to win the ball high up the pitch but he’s often caught high up while we are attacking, then when teams get the ball and break, we have an open mid field. Chelsea did it numerous times last week, strolling through the mid field cause Coq was caught up in the penalty area.

But maybe that’s why I’m not a football manager . . .

santori

Its not that he is not a good player.

But as I have mentioned, it depends on who he plays along side.

With a Santi or Granit who prefer to sit deeper, Coquelin is at his most effective harrying further forward. He turns the ball back to us quicker and allows us to hunt higher up making us very dangerous.

With Ramsey, he leaked 13 goals in 7 matches last season on return when the usual ill informed were over critical on Flamini who managed to hold the team together through a period without some of our best assets.

Ox is new to position and it will take both Coquelin and the ox a bit of time to adjust to each other.

Today I thought they got the balance quite well. Neither are the sort to sit back so they have to be able to tag team going forward and sitting deep. It takes a bit of time to work out.

NOw whether we persist with this or go for the returning Granit allowing Coquelin the license to hunt forward is the question.

I certainly think against Bayern there may be reason for BOTH Coquelin and Ox near Granit with Ox holding a wider position.

But that should not be at the expense of Ozil who is most effective creating for us even if some do not think so.

What I do think as well is Alexis may benefit from Lucas because the Spaniard is an experience head and keeps the ball well. He is a creator but he is also used to the tempo of the team now and gets in very good goal scoring positions (as today).

OTOH although Walcott needs to have a bit more composure about him, he is the speed asset at tyhe moment with the Ox sitting in midfieldf so different tools.

Coquelin is a different beast with the right players supporting. Ox looks like he can develop something with the Frenchman as an alternative and goodness knows we need options in midfield. Elneny for me is a safe choice but adds nothing special. He is a pair of lungs who will do the dirty work but he is neither strong enough as a DM nor is he a creator or agitator going forward. Graft is his key ingredient but hey, some times you need that too.

Nordin

Those who fuck Özil…fuck you! Go and fuck yourself. But bwfore that, go and watch the game again…and this time just focus on Özil alone. Watch his every moves in those 90 minutes. Then come back & comment here again. See if you have changwd your mind. If not, just go fuck yourself…or go support Kane or Vardy for all I care

Matt P

Thanks for your intelligent and articulate insight

Liam

2 goals, one hit off the post and rank only 6. What Sanchez have to do?

santori

Not sure why people think Ozil was ineffective.

Two of the best chances for us in the game early on in the first hald (7th and 9th minute) were set up by him.

He set off Iwobi by robbing the ball onkly for Iwobi to over eleborate and square the ball back to him at which time opportunity went.

He then instinctively headed the ball (another intercept) to send Alexis through but the Chilean’s touch failed him.

Contrast all the praise for Koscielny when he let Markovic past him too easily and the ex Liverpool man squared it dangerously in front of goal.

After which Koscielny missed his positioning allowing a Hull player to sting Cech’s hands with a header.

And the suggestion is the excellent Mustafi is just average.

Some players get undue criticism.

metersecker, Giroud, Flamini now Ozil…by frankly people who do not know what they are looking at.

Ozil was not for want of trying. he was frustrated many times when he could not get to the cross field balls.

On that note, all this negativity fake news the media like to spew on us…Alexis is top scorer at the moment…you have to give him a hand for that.;)

DogsBollocks

I thought that ozil would score alot more goals this season.
He has had some good chances for example the away game against Everton when if he had taken that chance it would have had a major impact on the game.
He has sublime skill he just needs to make them count when it matters.

Baz

I think the Ox could be Santi’s natural replacement. Strong, fast, good stamina.He can pick a pass, beat a man, comfortable with either foot(not Santo comfy tho natch), and is beginning to understand what is needed in the midfield. Think paired with Xhaka, there wouldn’t be too many teams that would be able to out-muscle them.

Izik

I hate it when everyone is slating Iwobi here and he is one of our best flowing midfielder.

like him or hate him, to me i will pick Iwobi first before picking Ozil in arsenal first eleven.

Even wenger confessed it that Iwobi is playing the kind of arsenal game.

Ozil is overrated because he is a world class player and he doesn’t deliver when expected.

It is only a patient coach as Arsene Wenger that can only tolerate his performance and still support him.

Iwobi is still unfinished article, but i don’t know how to classify Ozil.

Elcamino

Ozil.and Walcott should not have played.
Ozil.is a terrible.finisher but at times he’s further forward that Alexis. Ozil had no impact on the game. Alexis passing was crap but he was getting molested half the time.

I felt Hull got away with far t much physical play.
No question Ox is man of the match. Those runs forward were what we need.

Defense suspect again.
Lucky not to concede.

Against Bayern we better play Alexis,Welbeck,Perez or Iwobi

eltel

Is it only me who thinks Xhaka is a waste of money, average and a liability?

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