Bob Wilson: Hurt Wenger may say enough is enough

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Former double-winner and Arsenal goalkeeping coach Bob Wilson says he believes Arsene Wenger could call it a day at the end of his current contract.

The Frechman’s future is increasingly in the spotlight after last night’s 5-1 defeat to Bayern Munich, and with his contract expiring in June, the mood doesn’t lend itself to the extension on offer from the club.

Ultimately it is Wenger who will decide, and Wilson believes that in the current climate he could decide to end his 21 year tenure.

“He’s a hugely intelligent man, and he is hurt,” he told BBC 5Live.

“You know, he’s totally dedicated, but I wouldn’t at all surprised if Arsene now, with the headlines that are coming his way, that he will look at that and say ‘Two decades’, which has been extraordinary.

“An extraordinary growth of the club in all sorts of ways. He might just look at that and say ‘Ok, enough is enough’.

“Because I think as a human being you can only take so much.”

Following the defeat in Munich, Wenger hinted to German TV that he could make a decision as early as March, but we’ll have to just wait and see what happens.

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Ed

Blogs in your article today you said you didn’t think it was very Wenger or Arsenal to announce he was leaving with a third of the season to go, and I was wondering why? We haven’t really been in this scenario before.

Like you said it makes a lot of sense to bring the club together and be united during Wengers final months.

Gunnerzed

Ed, Arsenal have always (in Wengers era) been run like a business, they will not rock the boat until everything is in place and they have a plan to go forward. Wenger will always see out his contracts and so will not speak about anything until its either finished or extended. There is another scenario here, as unlikely as it is we could go on some unbeaten run and challenge Chelsea (stop laughing) and win the FA cup, if there is big turnaround and this does happen he may still stay, as awkward and unlikely as that seems now, it can happen, and for this reason nothing will be decided in the short term. The team should see how hurt he is now and how hurt the fans are now and use that to fight for us, get some passion, work harder, do what they are paid for!

Gooooooooooooooooona

This team has let Arsene Wenger down so badly. Arsene Wenger looked like he was crying in the BT post match interview.

He knows it’s over and I feel so bad for him because he looks like a man that’s tried absolutely everything but has been let down by a bunch of soft millionaires, and for whatever reason, can’t seem to get things going.

There is nothing he cares more about than this club, and the legacy he leaves behind, and the thought that everyone wants him out and all people talk about is 12 years without success must be killing him.

We know it’s over, and he knows it’s over. Let’s let this transition be a smooth and respectful one. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE my fellow Gooners, resist from abusing and disrespecting the guy till he leaves no matter how bad it gets, because we know the man is absolutely trying his best and he’s class.

This man dedicated 20 good years of his life for this club and created a platform for the next manager to succeed. He took us from being a top English club to being one of the biggest clubs in Europe (even though we don’t show it on the big stage). The platform is there for the next guy to have every chance of succeeding.

For that alone, this man deserves the utmost respect, ESPECIALLY from Arsenal fans.

John

I couldn’t agree more. He is far and away the best manager we have had since I started supporting the club in the late 1950s. Only Herbert Chapman has had the same sort of impact on the club. The bottom line is that, as well off as we are, we still can’t afford the same level of transfer fees and wages as Man City and United and Chelsea not to mention Real Madrid and Barcelona. We have to make do with second best and promising youngsters. None of the present squad would get anywhere near my ‘best’ Arsenal team ever save possibly for Kos. We have a very good squad but not one of them would get into a best in Europe team and that includes Özil and Sanchez. AW has had to rely on everyone playing to the very limits of their ability to compete with the top teams here and in Europe and this lot just haven’t been able to do that consistently. They are capable of playing anyone off the park ‘on their day – witness the
3-0 thrashing of Chelsea but they just haven’t done it often enough.
The players have really let us and AW down in terms of their application, energy and commitment.

Sumeet

if he is to aanounce he is leaving, nobody is going to abuse him. The longer he keeps this open, it will only get worse I think. So it is imperative he aanounces that he will leave and we will definitely see all fans getting united and behind him as well as the team. It may even change our fortunes and performance of team,

Gooner4life

So do you really think things will be any better under new management, I doubt it very much ?

Firstly – we have spent less money on signings and wages than any other club in the top six .

Secondly- To improve the team we’ll need better players , to get those better players it’s going to take higher transfer fees and definitely higher wages to compete for these players.

Thirdly – we should be looking at the board because they have the final say on how the clubs run.

Fourthly – And most importantly what other manager would be capable of finishing in the top 4 for over 20 years ?? Not one !!

Look at all the successful clubs( apart from Leicester) who have won the league and the so called top (special ones) manegers and the amount of money spent to turn already top 4 teams into Champions.

The great Pep is struggling (look how much he’s spent already ).
The self acclaimed special one Mouriniho- he is also struggling ( and look how much he’s spent ) But he has always bought titles

Cante at Chelsea ok they haven’t spent as much as the 2 above but still more than us and look how much when Mouriniho was there and still the same players ( and don’t forget we did beat them 3.0 earlier in the season)

So after taking all that into account do you want a manager who has no love for the club , change management every season , play boring long ball football and worse than all EUROPA football on a Thursday playing teams like Gent????

So please please please be careful what you wish for because we are far from competing with Europe’s top clubs financially.

Look at Portsmouth who spent out of their means to complete with the bigger clubs.

Arsene Wenger bleeds red and white blood, he loves our club as much as we do so please be gentle with him.

I’ve been supporting The Arsenal for 40 years and I can remember the dark mediocre years , I just hope they don’t return due to stupid glory hunters 👏👏

GunnerYY

What he needs to do is just announce that he will leave this summer and 100% all Arsenal fans either Wenger out or Wenger in will unite to give him a proper sent off, until he announce it maybe there will be few banners but i think it wont be abusive, just a reminder that his time is over at this club. Apart from that, if our team have a poor performance, it’s still acceptable to criticize him since our position will decide our transfer policy next summer. After he decide to go i hope he still strive for 4th position to give his successor easier job to bring players he want.

IamaGoober

Listen, I was one of Arsene Wengers biggest fans. I always said to myself that I would properly judge him when he spends some money, and this season he has done that. Albeit the business was done late in the day, but it was done none the less – and literally nothing has changed, so the time has come for Arene Wenger to step down for me.

People are pointing the fingers at the players, and to a degree they do have to take some of the stick, but in reality, none of those players know what to do off the ball. They 100% do not understand how to defend as team at all. Last night it was brutally obvious they did not have one fucking iota on how to stop Munich. Nor did they away at Chelsea. Nor do they in any big games.. so they now simply dont apply themselves.

They 100% know in every big game that they are being lined up to get slaughtered and last night was another painful example on how not to try and play football against a genuine super club.

On a footballing level Bayern Munich are on a different stratosphere to Arsenal. Player for player they are much much better then us – pound for pound (I think) they’re the best team in Europe right now, possibly the world.

The only way you beat a team much better than you, is by constructing and then applying a really well thought out tactical blueprint, devised on the oppositions weaknesses and optimised by your strenghts. Simply saying ‘oh, we’re good at football too’ and sending a clueless team out there ‘to express themselves’ is not going to work. It might work when you’re playing Crystal Palace at home, but against the European elite, at the highest level in modern football, that shit will not fly, ever.

Even with a really well drilled team you’re still stastically likely to only win once out of a handful of times. So the team Arsene picked last night combined with the real lack of defensive cohesion, there was only going to be one winner – and that wasnt going to be us.

People can point to the Koscielny injury as a key turning point in the match, but ultimately at 1-1 Bayern still had another 2-3 gears in them. With Kos on the pitch we were playing at full capacity to keep them at bay. Even with him on for the full 90 we 100% would of still lost, the difference being probably only 3-1 instead of the full roasting at 5-1, but even then, I thought the 5-1 was generous, they could of easily dicked us by 6 or 7.

Soo… Arsene has to go. On a human level I genuinely feel for him, as it must be really painful to be exposed like that, and be really shown up for not having what it takes anymore, but maybe its what needed to happen to him, in order for him to realise… its time.

Alexis, Atom & Humber
Alexis, Atom & Humber

It seems we dont have any clear direction on what we are to be doing on the pitch. An example is when time and time again Alexis keeps motioning to the rest of the team to press high up the pitch with him, but always being ignored. Question goes to Wenger, what exactly is the plan? Are we supposed to be pressing? If yes, why are you not barking instructions to the team? Are we not? If so, tell Alexis to shut up and just play. No one knows, this scenario has happened so many times this season. The technical team just sits there while the team is just left out there directionless.

I do appreciate what Wenger has done for Arsenal and it is truly remarkable. But we have stagnated and a lot of things needs to change and the manager is one of those.

Conor

FYI regarding the German TV quotes; you say here that they were following the games but in the article it says before the match on Tuesday night. I suspect Tuesday night is correct.

Gooneron

We the fans are more hurt.

JazzAFC

I am not trying to defend anyone but, surely Arsene is hurting right now. Dedicated his whole life almost to this football club. Achieved immense success. No matter what happens at the end of the season, Arsene Wenger is A LEGEND !

Try to put yourself in his boots, the constant abuse from other fans ( some of it very personal and disgusting), the constant abuse from his own ”fans”, the constant abuse from the media (they are having a great year, like never before) surely this all hurts a lot. Most of us would not be able to take a few swear words thrown at us!

COYG, ONE ARSENE WENGER !

SantCarzor

Arsenal is a part of Arsene’s life moreso than it ever will be for any of us. Arsenal results don’t directly affect us, but they do affect him, as Arsenal has literally been his life for 20 years. So don’t come here and act like you’re more hurt by this than someone who has to live with it every waking second.

Wenger's Pony

How many think we’ll end up with Alan Pardew?

Wenger's Pony

Anyone but an English chap will do.

Stringer Bell

It is sad that it looks like ending like this. Thought you put it really well this morning on your post. I want Arsene to retire and will never forget what he has done for our club. The lack of respect from a lot of Arsenal fans is embarrassing.

Holding Rob

It is sad, but for me it seems Inevitable. For his own sake maybe he should have left after the fa cup win against Hull. We had the miracle season where all of our rivals failed, and still we couldn’t win the league, Leicester did.

Highberry

I reckon people ought to direct more of their vehemence to the players who let Arsene AND us down. I paid to endure that tripe and, ok AW’s tactics leave a lot to be desired but there’s 11 men on that pitch who could change the result if they put their hearts into it. I recognise Arsene has to go but only because the frigging team has got less drive than a Reliant Robin and they need a massive kick up the arse-

Sheffield Goon

This is true, but my problem is that we say this year after year. Players come and go, but the manager is the constant. He bought these players. He works with them every day. And when we’re losing, he sits deep inside the bench area and zips his coat to cover his face. Other managers get on the touchline and get things sorted out. I’d like to see that happening at Arsenal. Just something different, whether it works or not.

Arsene Gonner

What about the lack of respect Wenger has shown to supporters time and time again. His lies and manipulation know no bounds. Respect has to be earned, he has destroyed all my respect for him. If he left tomorrow I would have a bit more. He KNOWS he’s not capable, so why the fuck is he hanging around? He is putting his massive ego in front of what is best for Arsenal football club, again. Christ, this is about Arsenal, not Arsene Wenger – he is just a manger – the way he is revered by supporters is as obscene as his dismal underperformance.

Gooooooooooooooooona

Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking idiot. Wenger has taken soooooo much shit from everyone and does nothing but be respectful and take the high road. While some stupid irrational fans like yourself, make quick emotional decisions without taking into perspective the big picture and without putting your message in a respectful way, which he has always done. So if you’re going to be unreasonable and talk nonesense then you can actually go fuck yourself.

Highberry

Don’t be diplomatic Goooooooooooooona , tell him/her straight

Gooooooooooooooooona

That was me being diplomatic…

chippy's chip

Called me a fake gloryhunter goooona? 40 yrs a paying attending fan who just wants value for money. Go fuck yourself bitch.x

Gooooooooooooooooona

Never called you a glory hunter, but if after 50 years you can’t see that a man who dedicated 20 years of hard work day in day out is trying his best, and it is naturally coming to an end then you’re either having too much to drink when you’re out there or you need to get your eye sight checked.

I respect everyone’s right to have an opinion, not just my fellow Gooners. And I’m all for debating opinions, as long as they are based off facts and not some fantasy image where Arsene Wenger is described as a man that doesn’t respect the fans, talking nonesense about earning respect to get respect. Wenger has been the scape goat of our club for the last 10 years, showed so much class never responding to criticism, always took the blame, never singled out any player even though many times he should have.

If you want to say the manager is past his best days, or that he can’t motivate the players anymore than I’m all with you. But directing abuse at a manager that has sacrificed and dedicated 20 years of his life to loyal service for this club then I’m sorry, I’m directing my abuse at you. You can’t give abuse and expect not to take it. If you read all my other posts that I post regularly on this page, you’ll realize that even when I disagree with fans I never shut them up, like I did over here. But when you’re talking utter nonesense directed at a man I deeply respect then I’m gonna bite your fucking head off. Like I would if anyone directed that abuse at a fellow Gooner.

chippy's chip

I have not and will not abuse our greatest manager. All i said a few posts ago was just leave and you said why dont you leave you fake gloryhunter. And if you cant remember that then lay off the proseco luv.

Papas

You are Jeremy Hunt and I claim my £5…

chippy's chip

Some are probably young and have never known another manager at the club. I remember the game after we sacked Don Howe while 4th. Protested outside the marble halls. Then we apointed Gooner George Graham boss at millwall and then a couple of titles, league cups, euro cup winners cup and a few quid in the back pocket were achieved with no world class superstars just hard work, organisation,commitment,desire and motivation. Yes the game has changed i hear you say but they are basic requirements then and now.

I rony

New manager or not the players are not good enough. That fault lies with wenger but just getting new manager in without a serious upgrade in talent and passion and the ability to give a fuck when needed in the players will be pointless. I would rather new players than a new manager.
We overachieved under wenger in my opinion but it wont be perceived that way in the history books. He kept us in a great financial position with seriously average players. Now is probably the time to leave for him but some players need to go with him.

JustBrowsing

Did Leicester have the best squad?
Did ferguson in his final year?
Maureen (sorry for reference) at Porto?
Etc etc
Listen, I’m Wenger out as such now, as the merry go round of inevitability is maddening.
I just want a change.
I’m not necessarily anti Wenger, I’m just anti Wenger repeating the same mistakes.
Come out and berate the team, sometimes it’s what they need. The man has immense passion apparently, yet he just sits there on the bench as other managers are barking orders, encouraging etc
its all just boring now;
The players interviews, must do better next time, learn from our mistakes etc
Arsene’s excuses
Ozil’s posts when we win meaningless games
Dip in form, winning run, predictable tactics/substitutions,embarrassed in cl, top 4 push, slow summer transfers and not grabbing the initiative.

I agree about certain players though, but surely a tactically astute manager with a bit of passion can’t be worse!? There is talent in the squad, but no coaching. Look at what conte has done with Chelsea changing formation, that wouldn’t happen here. He saw a problem and tried something new. We have a problem so we try the same thing again and again and again.
I honestly don’t mind dropping out the top 4 for a year a two as we rebuild..
I just want something different now.

Mas moiderer

Spot on. This is not a bad squad by any standards! Victor moses, alonso, Willian, cahill, cesar (something or another) these are not galacticos. Our players are of at least the same standard. We are just tactically inept

AGunner

Players always come out and say the usual shite like ‘we will learn from this’ etc, but they never do.

Sadly I think this even applies to Arsene now. How many times is he going to get done over the same way? He doesn’t seem to be learning that the faith he puts in these players is never going to get repaid. In an age where you don’t have time and everyone wants instant success, surely he’s got to be a bit less idealistic and more ruthless when it comes to his squad.

I understand he’s not given an unlimited budget, even though we are so cash rich, but he’s gotta move on a lot of the average players who simply can’t do it consistently. If he can’t, then he needs to let someone who can.

Love the man, I want him to retire on his own terms, but something’s gotta change.

Skinnyarse

I really felt for mr Wenger after that game, half of the players on that pitch just didn’t even try. Just no balls at all. Ox, Ozil, Gabriel, even Koscielny were all guilty of not being focused and got ran rugged. On the first goal, Ozil just stood there and watched Robben just fly by him to stick it in the net, I mean ffs where’s the grit when it matters.. no more excuses for Ozil I’m sorry but he needs kick in the balls.

Arsene Gonner

Stop blaming the players, most of them tried. They are horribly under-prepared and badly educated on the training ground. Wenger’s tactics are utterly moribund that’s why the players collapse. Wenger long history of failure is also weighing them down mentally, they simply don’t believe in him or themselves. This is self-fulfilling prophecy He will never change – he is incapable of change, so he simply has to go.

Chamakh

Thought Ox, Xhaka and Koscielny were the only players who played okay. Before Ox made that mistake in the end. The rest were really bad.

Gooneray

It seems obvious to me that some of the players are very unhappy with Wenger and once the going gets tough they are not prepared to fight for him.
Arsene should leave now for the good of the club and his own dignity. He has had 10 years treading water going nowhere. The only way we will go now is backwards. If you love the club as you say you do Arsene, do the right thing

Francis Angrey

I also think that it’s time for Wenger to call it a day. He gave the team all he had but for now the players are no longer passionate working with him. It’s better to have a team of not so skillful but committed players than to have a group of skillful mediocrities.

Modhabobo

What I find disengenous in Bob’s comment is that he paints the fans with the brush as if we don’t love or respect the man for his past achievements. Don’t get me wrong, when he is gone, we will all miss him terribly. But that doesn’t mean we keep him around. This idea that the press are after him, they aren’t. They are just holding him to account. And lets not forget he’s made over a £100 million from Arsenal. There’s a reason he kept signing, he was never harangued by the press, and had no pressure from the board. He could continue to do ‘just enough’ and they thought everyone would be happy. Repeatedly failing to win the league is not happiness inducing, losing the league to Leicester is not something to please the fans, repeatedly having our arses handed to us by the ACTUAL big clubs is not going to make people happy. This isn’t about comparing us to other clubs, its about the stagnation that the club has experienced in the last 10 years that saddens us.

Haider

It’s time for the likes of Ozil to be sold ! Time and time again he has no been in the zone . ENOUGH! We need proper super stars who can carry the team. Hate Cese for leaving but when we had a chance to get him back we should have. Sanchz needs better team around him. 30MIL for Xhaka and what has he given us. No the service we require. Over all we need a complete overhaul!

Anteneh Ademe

Sanchez not for the first time this season was pleading for other players to move up the pitch and close down Bayerns players quicker and the rest of the players didn’t seem to agree with him. Wenger was no where to be seen on the touch line.

Mas moiderer

That comes down to tactics. Some players tried to press (mainly sanchez), some tried to sit and defend deep. No cohesion. I honestly don’t think coquelin knows which he should be doing. Last season he looked liked a decent player.

Xhaquelin Kostafi

That’s a very valid point. Nevertheless, Coquelin’s tackle numbers are atrocious in themselves.Can’t be down to tactics only, can they?

Haider

Moreover our team selection is just not right . Why does he keep playing the likes of Iwobi when Welbck is back and fit.

Ken

I felt so bittersweet over this defeat.. and even more sour of the series of poor form of the team since December.. It was first started after the Everton loss.. everything just went downhill. Ozil is definitely not staying. That’s the vibe he is giving me. While all the #wengerout circulating madly over the net, the final blow will kick in if Man United were to complete a Double/Treble, which I strongly believe they stand a very strong chance.

I seriously dont see us winning the FA Cup this season.. It would probably serve as a good consolation as a farewell gift for Wenger. But looking at the draws now, most the big teams were drawn to the small micky teams. This means round 6 would definitely have a number of juicy face-offs to see some of the giants getting slayed and eliminated.. and I foresee Arsenal being one of them. Apart from the 3-0 victory over Chelsea, Arsenal has yet to produce a convincing performance of a giant football club… Wengerball is definitely too predictable.. and this time, I cant imagine how frenzy and frantic the fans will go if we were to exit the FA cup. My belief is running out.. Last night’s defeat definitely nailed my faith in Wenger to an all-time low.

While it is hard to get hold of the reality; it is really painful and dismal to see Arsenal and Wenger being criticized all over the net. I dont see Manu/City/Liverpool being out-slashed to such media humiliation. But life still goes on, the anti-Wenger banters groups probably gonna be busy for this coming weeks for their promotional campaigns.. While all hopes are lost (in Allianz Arena, or probably at Everton Park i feel), the exit of UCL will prompt us to see Arsenal going to a too-familiarly surge of form in the Premier League in its route to the top 4. The FA cup will definitely be a good consolation to end this season, but I truly cant see us winning it.

Gunners

We haven’t played Wengerball consistently since the 13/14 season.

Lula da Gilberto

The result was utterly predictable. Not just the result but also the nature of defeat; we all say the same things now.

We talk of divisions among us but it has transmuted from our views on whether Arsenal stays or not to how we articulate or don’t articulate our dissatisfaction with the club.

The fact is that though almost everything about this was the same, because of this whatever now threadbare cut of cloth the faith we had in Arsene recrudescing some of the glory days must surely now have been completely torn asunder after yesterday’s omnishambles.

The thing that is different here is that there is no what’s ifs, no buts, no conditionals and no hypotheticals. He can’t hide from this one. The team is the best we had is years, but the players palpably don’t believe they can find that fifth gear with Wengers jazz methods in a time of synchronic and organised coaching.

The only thing that can change now is him, and an FA Cup (though I don’t hold out hope against Sutton away),is not enough for him. We’ve already done that and here we still are.

I am sorry Arsene, but his time has come and I think deep down everyone knows it. The irony is that if he goes to a club that has been coached well for a short stint he could probably win things. But Arsenal needs a change, and though he will be loved, a redemption for this season is surely putting in the infrastructure in the club for him to be suitably and effectively replaced, as unlike Man U, we can’t throw money at things until our problems sort themselves out.

It is time

Duakeez Durella Dooo

There must be a prob with spirit right now n they are not playing for AW at d moment.
Only Sanchez has got d spirit of never give up n always urging players to come out n play.
Love AW but something has to change

Duakeez Durella Dooo

There must be a prob with team spirit right now n they are not playing for AW at d moment.
Only Sanchez has got d spirit of never give up n always urging players to come out n play.
Love AW but something has to change

O2ba

Despite the last few mediocre seasons when Arsene goes it will be with his head held high and rightly so. I love this bloke he’s been part of us for 21 years. Even though I’ve been a huge fan of his and not an out I think the time is here for him to step away and let us move on.
Cheers very much Ardene you gave us so much.

O2ba

Arsene. Spellchecker haha

Mick Malthouse

I love Arsene and everything he has done for the club, but where he finds himself is very much his own fault. It was clear 3 years ago he didn’t have the ability to adapt our game to compete. Average players, one game plan, culture embracing mediocrity. He should have understood the value of a new voice and modern techniques – much the same as the value he brought when he arrived. Players need to face the facts as they get older, it’s a shame Arsene didn’t do some honest reflection a few years ago.

I hope we finish the year strong, Arsene retires and we sing his name for many years to come.

FrankTheTank

He probably should have taken one of the three offers from PSG that he turned down to stay at Arsenal.

His philosophy works better with better teams and at PSG he would have had the funds to build a real stront top team like the Arsenal of the past when he was successfull.

But interestingly PSG recently bought an old Wenger favourite in Julian Draxler, So perhaps something is going on behind the scenes we dont know about.

Also France is his home, so if he was going to move on, then a Homecoming story makes sense.

I dont think he is ready to outright retire just yet.

bazza-wicks

when there is no pressure on the manager from the owners or board members who are quite happy to sit back and drink the milk this has now transpired into the team, from the unbeaten season we have declined in presence on the pitch the tippy tappy philosophy has run its course we err on the edge of dynamic to complete rubbish and very average, thankyou Arsene for all the years and setting this clubs future in stone and bringing so much knowledge and education to the English game. My biggest fear is will any one want to come and manage Arsenal with the way the club is run, it will be in a transitional period we know and accept that fact but every thing ends at some point. how the rest of he season pans out will surely determine how the club moves forward with or without AW. he will always have my blessing for the memories

Ricardo

Arsene doesn’t deserve vitriol, because he is intelligent.

But it’s time he steps down.

Dan

Really feel for Wenger he doesn’t deserve to leave like this. This bunch of players have let him down and deserve to be ashamed of themselves after all the faith he has given them. I think the next manager should be a no nonsense one who won’t tolerate any slack from this bunch and wake them up to reality. Time to remove them from the crib

Petit's Handbag

He’ll leave with a top four place and a FA cup. When we left Highbury we celebrated finishing ahead of Sp**s on the last day, what odds on that happening again.

MoGranitCoq

This will likely get slammed. Those of you who think Sanchez is playing for Arsene, I believe he is playing more for himself. He is just as much who he is as Arsene is who he is. I do not believe Sanchez is the “right” player for an Arsene managed team, it is all about him, Sanchez, and that disrupts the team dynamic more than we think IMO. I personally see the lack of cohesion and spirit, which is having an effect, as team dynamics as much as Arsene…he is also to blame. I think the team got caught between a more defensive game plan which was dependent on Kos. Under Arsene, our style of play being so offensive, we naturally struggle in those situations and really suffer playing one of the best teams in the world missing both team cohesion and Kos. Is it a good time for Arsene to go?? Likely it is, but I will stand with him if he chooses to stay. I stand for his commitment to his club, style of play and his players no matter the results. I would take a losing Arsene over a winning MoHo every single season

Diarra

I have also observed that we stopped playing “the Arsenal way” after Sanchez came. His playing style doesn’t suit us at all as he dwells on the ball and is actually quite bad at passing. He is a brilliant individual but not a good fit for Wenger’s philosophy. We have also adjusted the team too much to suit Sanchez and Ozil and lost our identity. Back in the days we had teams who included joke players who could challenge Barcelona and the rest as they were built to play the Arsenal and Arsenal way, something that can’t be said about this team. Now we have Coquelin in midfield who is the least technical midfielder at Arsenal since Wenger started.

georgyboy

Absolutely agree, as good as Sanchez is he undoubtedly plays for himself. Last night on at least 2 occasions he had a simple pass to put a player in on goal, instead he ran straight into the defenders and lost the ball, pity the player who has made a lung bursting run to support him and then gets ignored, he is hardly likely to keep making those runs. For me both Sanchez & Ozil should be sold which I suspect a new manager might well do however I fear that we will pay a kings ransom to probably retain Sanchez who is the pin up boy of the press & pundits who lavish so much praise on his hard work, it is a shame that there is so little in terms of end product. Much as I admire Arsene for all he has done he is no longer a world class coach, most coaches in the PL can set their teams up to beat us in a one off game, Arsene has always said it is about what his team does that is important, not what the other team may do! Like most supporters I fear what might happen at Sutton, especially if the team has the same attitude as they did last night

DB10s

Yes I’ve picked up on this too. The more sanchez gets fired up, the more he plays for himself. Given his level of ability, this is fine most of the time but it really affects the team. Imagine if you’re Ox or Walcott. What’s the point of me making any runs if I know Sanchez is only going to pass to Ozil. He needs to bloody trust his teammates. There was two occasions yesterday where he could have played in Ox but he opted to try a dribble vs 3 defenders and the other was to play an extremely difficult pas to ozil.

Jelvis

Should he move upstairs or leave for another job?
Maybe it would be a good idea for him to move upstairs. Be on the board and become the Sporting Director. Be in charge of everything apart from the 1st team and under 23’s. I don’t expect much longevity for the next Coach so they only need to have dealings with those 2 squads.
Three years might be the maximum reign of a Coach now. Win stuff and get poached by another team or be a disaster and be sacked. This is something we aren’t used to at The Arsenal.
From his new position he could bring in the changes we need at the club. Change the infrastructure so we can operate without him when he retires completely from working everyday.

Anyway, onwards and upwards. Next game Sutton. Up the Arsenal.

Sam

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/16/arsene-wenger-arsenal-david-dein-successor-manager
It’s a good look at what’s been happening and what might happen

chippy's chip

Nothing new there. Kroenke and Wenger out. Usmanov and Dein. Red and white. IN.

beNZed

I respect Wenger immensely, but I would respect him even more if he used his press conference to say “OK, maybe I haven’t covered myself in glory here, but some of these cunts want 250k a week from the club and they can only trap a ball properly 3 times out of 5. I can’t go out there on the field and cajole these brittle little cunts into playing football and taking responsibility like men, cut me some slack here and tweet or DM some of these overpaid lettuce-for-a-spine multi-millionaire cunts yourselves. Fuck you. I’m off for a red wine and a pack of Gaulloise Reds. You cunts go write what the fuck you want. *points at own groin* Suck it. *drops mic*

Futsboller

Brilliant.

He's the soup

Right now, I would swap the monotony of a top four finish and early CL exit in exchange for a bunch of great away wins at our arch rivals and no more capitulations against said rivals.

I know, be careful what you rush for yadayada…, but at this moment I’d be happier if we finished fifth and absolutely spanked Jose at Old Trafford

Arsesupport

I don’t feel I have to dislike wenger to feel he has gone as far as he can and should move on, he was a great manager who came to us and changed everything from top to bottom and gave us the invincible and some truly great players for which I am forever grateful.
It’s not like this is a couple of bad results or a few poor/ unlucky seasons, he is a very intelligent man so it makes no sense that he continues to struggle with the same issues season after season.
it is his team and they all say they are here because of him, so why don’t they break a bollock for him like the old boys did?
It’s like he’s assembled a team with a weak spine, they give up and heads go down way to quickly,this team surly can not be a reflection of his qualities.
Behind the scenes something is very wrong.
Can they clear the air and pull something out of the bag to repay wenger and the fans so he can leave on a high?
As a fan my heart really hope’s so but my head says no chance.

beau

I had a hunting dog who at one time was brilliant. Best dog you could ever ask for. But over the years he’s gone blind, deaf, can’t smell for shit, and sleeps most of the time.

Do you keep hunting with that dog because of past success and cherished memories?

GoonerestGooner

Just heard the news that ref Mark Clattenberg is fucking off to Saudi Arabia.

Every Cloud and all that…..

Des Lynam

If pure love for the club alone won medals Arsene would have so much bling he would be able to be seen from space, however, in this day and age you are measured by results. I love Arsene, I love Arsenal more. We just need some different ideas. I won’t ever Wenger bash because he is my manager, the sad truth is he is not this current squads manager… because the game has moved on, probably to the detriment of football, but it has moved on. He will go to Barcelona or somewhere else, and be fresh and start winning again. We will have another approach to the game that is more in line with our squad/modern premier league footballers. I’m just sad his players are such a soft touch, they will never know another manager like him, and neither will we.

santori

It’s not that we are a bad team, we are a very good team on the day.

When you look around the table, Liverpool and Spurs are not exactly anymore consistent. Nor City with their genius manager.

And when you look at how the media continuously criticise our mentality or our ‘ambition, well, Liverpool have been out of the title for a quarter of a CENTURY. Spurs haven’t won it despite managerial changes galore since 1961. And their Cl participation is erratic. They celebrate achieving top 4 and CL but try doing it back to back let alone for two decades consistently.

In light of that you can understand why the board would think Wenger is least risky and is a strong platform to build upon, because his MINIMUM standard every season is EXTREMELY high and consistent.

This is where most people get in a muddle when assessing Wenger.

Lets not forget as well that there are 6 to 7 teams in Europe who can spend more than us. There are at least 3 teams who have far stronger squad than us Bayern included. That’s just a fact.

So in light of that, Wenger’s achievement even if it has not reached the promised heights, is extremely laudable.

Having said that, it does look like he has taken it as far as he can, and he may have reached the proverbial glass ceiling.

And whilst we are a good team, we haven’t been a great team for a while now.

Berlingoon

I think it’s a bit of that, what a lot of people would love to see on the sideline at Arsenal. Especially during games like yesterdays:
https://www.facebook.com/FootballCommunityUK/videos/295034110899946/

badaab

As much as i respect Wenger and what he has done, the club is in a period of stagnation- and perhaps he needs to take a role on the board after the season.

Dan

Hopefully Wenger can move up and take up David Deins former position coz love him or hate him u can never question the man’s intelligence hopefully he can move us on from this situation by choosing his successor and retiring with dignity at the club he obviously loves

Vonnie

The team improved steadily every year and we managed to win two FA Cups and I really had hopes for this season. Everything seems to have fallen apart, and it makes me wonder how much Arsene was leaning on Mikel Arteta and the BFG in those two seasons. We know they were continuously pushing players to perform, and the quotes from young players like Iwobi seem to indicate that it’s not so much the coaches coaching the young players as older, more experienced players coaching them. The fitness drills on the videos seem very lacksadasical, either you do them or you don’t and nobody seems to care either way. Steve Bould doesn’t seem to do very much except chew gum and pull faces, and Arsene picks his favourites and is utterly rubbish at game management.
There are certainly players who have let the manager down, mostly English and Welsh in my opinion, but Arsene is the one who has mollycoddled them to the detriment of the team and the players that do care. I’m so tired of Arsene and all his failings, and I think he’s lost the players this season. I don’t like all the nastiness, but honestly there can be no excuses any more and if he has any pride left he would be using his remaining time to set up a succesful succession for the club that he undoubtedly loves. There’s a lot of love and goodwill for Arsene, totally deserved, but he is at the point of losing it all. I would hate for the ending to be acrimonious, he needs to step down with his pride intact and another season would be too much.

oly

HURT??????………………..by the £8million he collects every year for the dross he serves up for 7 consecutive years in the CL.?…………….please eff off, enough is enough, am sure people feared for the club when GG left, he is not GOD, only GOD is irreplaceable!

Lone Star Gunner

I’m no Arsene hater but as I said in another thread the era of jazz hands coaching with minimal tactics and instruction is over.

I’m tired of seeing us go down by multiple goals before checking Arseblog News to see whether to keep watching or delete the game.

It’s time.

BOB

The reality is Wenger is not capable of building and team and getting the tactics right to beat the best teams in Europe. Our record speaks for itself and we will never win trophies until we make a change and bring someone in who can.

Avi

“Ultimately it is Wenger who will decide”

That’s what’s wrong with this fucking club. What kind of club allows a manager, who has done nothing of importance for 10+ years, to decide when he will leave.

Arsenal board, grow a pair. Time to be cut throat, and rid the club of mediocrity.

Willy

I just watched a pity game from Arsenal with really poor defenders and a crap midfielders…….shame on them more than anything else..but must congratulate Bayern ! As they did the perfect game facing a kids team….

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