Henry: Arsenal have a mental problem, but Wenger should stay

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Thierry Henry says Arsenal have a ‘mental problem’, but also believes Arsene Wenger should stay on as manager to try and fix it.

The club’s record goalscorer was talking to RMC Radio in France, and said that he felt there was no significant gap between the quality of Arsenal’s squad and that of league leaders Chelsea, but said there was a lack of belief in the Gunners camp.

“What I saw against Chelsea is a mental problem,” he said. “And it’s not easy to manage. For now, something is missing.

“It’s been 12 years since Arsenal won the title and we feel this season they may not win it. I think there is quality in this team. But is there enough to win the championship?

“At the beginning of the season, when you look at Chelsea and Arsenal on paper, there is not a huge difference. So that means it’s possible.

“But for that, you have to be in tune with every day. I think Arsenal players are not aware of what they can achieve. At some point you have to believe in your chances of winning.

“It takes self-management and self-discipline in the group.”

It sounds like Henry is putting most of it down to the players themselves, and on the manager whose job it is to get them ready for games, he said, “The work he has to do at the moment is difficult, because it is mental work.

“Personally, I do not think Arsene has to go. Does he have to change his tactics or his way of doing things? I do not know if he’s willing to do that.”

All in all, some pretty mixed messages there.

102 COMMENTS

  1. Love is blind.
    How many failures are fans supposed to take?
    Wenger would have worked and improved our mental frailties if he was able…..he can’t do it.
    Time for change.

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    • I have to agree that Wenger doesn’t have the approach to improve the mental frailties. He doesn’t demand performance and is not willing to shout during games.

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      • This has been a flaw in Wenger’s teams. Even the invicibles bottled it and couldnt win the treble that year, when they were the best team in the world at that time. If SAF had had that team, I believe they would have had the treble.

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        • I dont think you can really throw that accusation at a team that went a whole season without losing a game. They’re definitely not bottlers. Ultimately football is football. You can’t win every match, and the Invincibles is the greatest achievement in modern football in my opinion. We destroyed the league that year – we didn’t jam it. We won it with 90 points, 11 points clear of Chelsea in 2nd place. That will never be repeated again I dont think. Whereas I think at some point, the treble will be won again. Not belittling what United achieved that year. I just think its a lot harder to go a whole season unbeaten and win the title, then it is to go and win 3 cups.

          In regards to what Henry said, I dont blame him for wanting Arsene to stay. A part of his mind probably still see’s Arsene in the same light as if he was managing the team back in 2004. But ultimately the game has moved on now, and I think if we are to genuinely going win a title again, we will need a new manager who can breath new ideas and tactics into that side, because there is no way that Chelsea side are 12 points better then us.

          So Arsene has to step down for me. I genuinely love him. He has brought me so much joy as an Arsenal fan over the years. So I will never cunt him off in the grounds, or hold up banners calling for his head. But I think he has to go now.

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        • If SAF had that team, half of them would probably have been benched for their careers for disobeying team tactics and taking the license to play their style as they pleased–as they did under Wenger.

          People act like this autonomy that players are given is only detrimental–it’s really not the case, and it allows players like Bergkamp, Henry, Ljungberg, Vieira, Ozil, Sanchez, etc., flourish and find partnerships in a more effective manner. I believe in Wengerball, still, and I still see glimpses of what is possible under the system. I’m not saying it’s perfect, but nothing but Wengerball has excited me nearly as much as anything football-related in the world. It’s why I became an Arsenal fan, and I just can’t forget the positives in his management philosophy.

          Yes, this team has been found wanting, in so many ways. What if as fans, we all decided to boycott any pre-season activities, to economically force Arsenal to reinstate their training camp, for lack of anything better to do? Every fan wants a trophy over a 30 second view of a player.

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          • I think getting Arsenal fans to boycott anything is unrealistic. The clubs support is far too big and cosmopolitan for anything like that to ever happen.

            I think if we want to win a league title playing ‘Wengerball’ then we’d have to go and spend the money. Plain and simple. We cannot win the league playing football the way Arsene wants us to play with the calibre of player we have. Thats it. We have to play with a system. Players need to be drilled. They need to understand what to do. We can’t keep sending them out there to play against teams that are drilled, that do have systems, and their players do know and understand what to do over the 90 minutes, and expect Arsenal to beat them because its just unrealistic.

            I think people genuinely forget how good that Arsenal team was in 2003 – 2004, and where that team was in comparison to other teams in the footballing world at the time. For me, player for player in each position – it was the best team in the world. And if you compare it to the side we have now, there is no way you are dropping any of that starting 11 from 2003-2004 for any of our first team now.

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  2. The slow starts, as discussed in a recent arseblog article, do appear to be mental.
    I could also add that the comebacks and late goals are also a positive mental response.
    The mental adjustment needs to be made to get at it right from kickoff, and not just wait and see how the game develops.

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  3. After Henry’s refusal to accept video the clearest evidence on Bellerin at the weekend I really couldn’t care less what he says or thinks about anything.
    He’s just become another one in the long line to take Sky’s money and just agree to go with their narrative. The man disgusts me.

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    • Whilst I agree that it’s annoying that he didn’t defend us against what was a blatant foul, you can’t say he disgusts you. He’s there to do a job like all of us, and ultimately he’s entitled to think what he wants.

      He is and always will be a legend, and a man that deserves the utmost respect. He loves the club like you and I.

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      • No I can. He’s a spoilt brat. He fucked off as soon as it no longer suited him as a player. Then wanted to become a coach on a part time basis. He’s grown up having his cake and eating it. It’s just not on. He’s just a more articulate, less addled Merson.

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        • Henry was a serious hard-working player during his entire career. Clichy said: We won the double and he wouldn’t go out to celebrate because there was EURo that year. I do not call that a spoilt brat. Wenger also said, as a player he would analyse every little thing he did on the pitch. I shot right away because I saw the keeper was a bit unbalanced. He was a true professional. We don’t have any like him at the club right now. Please show respect.

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          • I will. But I won’t be a sycophant. He did what he did then out of self interest. That is the common factor.

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      • Although i wouldn’t say he disgusts me! I wouldn’t say he loved the club like you and I. He was offered a job at arsenal in a coaching role but chose to stay with sky!

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        • Yes, he chose Sky…I wonder, could it be Wenger why he chose Sky? Where is Dennis Bergkamp? Where is Patrick buries? Where is Tony Adams? Where is Pat Rice? Are you beginning to get the picture?

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          • Bullshit
            Where is Robert pires? Freddie ljunberg ? Steve Bould ? And pat rice retired at arsenal after 50 years of service!! Are you beginning to get the picture!!! Dennis bergkamp is coaching at his boy hood club Ajax !!

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          • Pat Rice retired. Tony Adams has not proven he is up to the role. Dennis Bergkamp is coaching in a third rate league and has travel issues. Patrick Vieira snipes from the safety of the sidelines and has reached the lofty peaks of coaching in the 10th rate MLS.
            Do you get the picture?

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      • I completely agree. I just think he loves money and himself more than Arsenal.

        I would have the utmost respect for him if he was actually speaking his opinion. But to follow an agenda put to him by his employers that deliberately is negative towards Arsenal and puts all its effort into the “Arsenal collapse” story even before the collapse happens. I’m sorry he sold his love for Arsenal to be loved by all English fans and to make some money. For that reason alone I think he can/and should go fuck himself.

        Even when Ian wright talk negatively about Arsenal, you can see the love for Arsenal he has.

        If you think I’m talking nonesense look at how he praises Liverpool and Tottenham (who if we are mentally weak then they are mentally broken) all the time and look at how it’s never good enough for him when it comes to Arsenal. Even when things are going great he says “we know what Arsenal can do on their day but eventually they’re going to slip up somewhere”. Like we’re the only club to go through such a thing. Like Chelsea didn’t shit the bed completely last season and at the start of this season, or what about city with their defence being a joke and the whole GK situation happening there. Or united drawing games like it’s their job. I don’t even need to speak about Tottenham because while they criticize us for accepting top 4, that’s their target every season, a target they achieve once every 5 years years, and never qualify for the knockout stages of the champions league.

        Im sorry for the rant, since the chelsea game I have been walking around like a mad man…sigh

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  4. Honestly, I have little to no faith in the rest of the board.

    Pretty certain they won’t have a fucking clue on what to do next when AW steps down.

    I’m of the opinion that AW announces his retirement as soon as he can, and not wait till the very end of this season/later in future seasons if he stays.

    It’ll be the last and the most important thing he could do for the club that he’s already done a lot for, prepare a roadmap for who next, ,how to treat him and the club.

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    • If he is intent on retiring, announcing it now may be the ‘drive’ the lads need to actually perform and achieve something this season. You know, ‘lets do it for Arsene’ and all that.

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      • What in the same way players said “lets do it for Eduardo”!!! They should do it for professional pride, for the team, the manager and the fans!!! Unfortunately the majority are flaky mentally and that is being polite!!!

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    • I beleive the first and most sensible thing for the board to do when wenger steps down as manager is offer him a technical role. Id be happy to keep him at the club. All the worry of who will do all his jobs when he leaves….he can. Get in a new head coach. Wenger technical director or what have you. Steve bould should really be in with a shout. Who knows what his managerial style would actually be and he is ex arsenal and ex graham so not pure wenger. Who knows, rather him than a big money type who will move off after a few years. Someone who loves the club and has been there for a long time.

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  5. Feels like we’ll get someone like Howe who has no experience at the very top or someone the board feels they can easily manipulate and control.

    Not disrespecting Howe and all he’s done, he’s a great manager, but our board is a fucking joke.

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  6. Players have to share the responsibility of their performances too. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

    It is an issue that’s plagued Arsene’s squads over the years. Post-Highbury we had squads full of kids due to the lack of money. In the face of adversity, either heroes and leaders are born or they break. Looking back, it’s obvious some of the players broke as we didn’t win anything, but we have kept on a lot of those youngsters and it seems they just have a very brittle mentality. Theo, Ox, Gibbs, Ramsey, Jack, Coq, Kos etc all been around since those days.

    I feel like they’ve come a long way, but they’re not all still mentally solid. You add new players in the mix, and either that weakness seeps into them, or they’re mentally strong enough to help make the rest of them stronger.

    Imo the only way to fix it quickly is to either buy more proven quality players, as their mentality should be stronger as they’ve already achieved a lot of success, or we’d have to move on a few players. Of course it’s simplistic, but im sure other methods would take years to achieve results.

    Difficult problem to fix for the manager :/

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    • Agreed – do top players get dragged down into the fragile squad mentality or lift it up? Feels like we would need 2/3 stone cold winners to arrive together to shake things up and avoid them just being absorbed into the existing ‘average’. Aside from Alexis, who I think is impervious to outside negative influence and is driven like a stolen Ferrari, I’m afraid I have question marks against all of them as a squad. It’s like a child you invest so much hope and belief into, but they just don’t seem to be able to get it

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    • Shouldn’t be a difficult problem to fix for the most experienced manager in the league and possibly in Europe.

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    • They won’t admit to it but many fans live their surrogate dreams in life through the club which is why they get so angst.

      Its a fix for what doesn’t go right elsewhere in life.

      The fact that so many fans are absolutely mental about the loss may also point to them secretly feeling we indeed had a chance with Wenger.

      If they felt that Wenger would disappoint again, then there would be no surprise with the results.

      The fact is, they wanted Wenger to win and they felt he could do it, which is why it is so much more frustrating.

      Bottom line.

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      • I don’t see sunny days after Wenger leaves. I see us doing a Liverpool or a Man U. I think people will regret it when he’s gone.

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        • The problem with that as well is that Man U will only get out of it by virtue of spending more money than their competitors, a liberty not available to us.

          I think its time. But if the transition has to take longer, but in the infrastructure behind the scenes first stage by stage, then sign for two more years and lets do the job right.

          We can’t have a Moyesian disaster. The recovery would take a long time to come back from at a time when player valuations are inflating like they are. I don’t know what is possible, but surely Arsene could sign and tell the board, its my last one. Lets sort out what we need to do to steady the ship for when I leave.

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        • What’s this we will regret it when he’s gone? Am I or any other gooner responsible for him aging. Its something natural and every club will have to go through it at some point. The managers we love will one day retire.

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  7. Henry loves Wenger and owes so much to him, that he could probably never come out and claim the big man has to go. He also loves the club. No wonder the message was mixed.

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  8. Henrys never going to come out and say Wenger should go now is he? There was a reason Henry left in 2007 for Barca and that was to compete at the highest level and win major trophies which be wouldn’t be able to do with us. 10 years on and nothing has changed

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    • We’re here waiting for the inevitable, and then we come and say we told you so. What happens every year is a fact, and as supporters we should demand better.

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    • That is such a misguided question. Fans like me who want a new manager want one even when we go on a good run. We are not fickle. If we win the champs league I want a new manager. A great send off for a legend but bye bye. Clear enough for you? We go NOWHERE when we are doing well.

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    • We let you have your moment, we are equally happy as anyone else that we win but then we get back to the realisation that we wont win the league or champions league and have had the same argument and discussions for years now. Arsene deserves credit and should never be ridiculed or insulted but his time is up and long overdue. His legacy is in danger of being totally destroyed because he can’t let go and that would be really sad.
      All good things come to an end, we may have to endure a few years of pain who knows but this mediocrity can’t continue indefinitely.

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    • Likewise question. When we lose again at Chelsea in the usual limp manner are you watching through rose tinted spectacles that everything is good, there aren’t fundamental problems that he can’t fix?

      Why do the same problems occur year after year?

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  9. I have a serious question. The past three or four days have been horrible for me. I feel super depressed.
    I do have certain days of depression that come and go sometimes. But, I don’t know if it’s entirely because of the Chelsea game or if the game just exaggerated my problem.

    Is anyone else also having horrendous few days this week?

    (That Chelsea game hit me hard. I mean I had known after the Watford game that we were out, but the Chelsea game, seeing our spineless performance, it really hit me hard. Chelsea is a team that was battling in mid-table last season and this season they are gonna win it. What excuse do we have?)

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    • Lord Bendtner. I feel your pain but this game didn’t kill my mood as much as a few others this season, and definitely not vs previous years’ disappointments. It was a bit spineless but not terrible. What about old Trafford this season. We were abysmal! Or some of the recent spurs games. Or losing to Utd youngsters last year. At least Chelsea are a good side. And we were poor but not horrific…..

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      • I agree we weren’t horrific against Chelsea. In fact I thought we were ok. Two bad errors to concede 2 goals, thats it. I think we have been worse in a lot more games this season.
        Still think we need big change though

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    • I absolutely agree, Lord..
      The depression is just too big to digest.. we didn’t have an excuse for the last year’s tripping so after this year’s failure I’ll have to admit we’re a laughing stock at the moment although only through my closed teeth.. the love cannot be vanished

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  10. I think if Wenger’s going to stay .. he may need to change his entire squad.

    The problem is that this team has no identity. Wenger likes them to do their thing on the pitch and read the situation, but the current players have succumbed to the feeling of helplessness when things don’t go their way.

    Easy solution. Sell everyone who has been at the club for more than 3 years (excluding Koscielny ofcourse). Let some kids from the youth setup step up – throw them in the deep end but show faith in them. Pressure turns coal to diamonds and all that.

    I know its a crap comment. I’ve had a couple of beers. Don’t abuse me. I’m a sensitive young fellow.

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  11. Henry is right.

    Who would you bring in to necessarily provide more success?

    Most of the top names are committed. Likely there will be little movement till after 2018 summer.

    Howe? Does that guarantee us going up the table?

    As much as we have hit the glass ceiling (very close to the top), it could be worse.

    Are the same fans that do not mind us falling out of CL and finishing behind Spurs willing to do that for 2-3 seasons potentially?

    Has Guardiola or Klopp or even Ponch been any more successful than Wenger this season and have they turned around and delivered a title immediately?

    Wenger may not be able to finish the deed with regard the title (hey there’s still the CL) but the fact is if you were the board, it is absolutely the correct appointment.

    His MINIMUM finish over the dacdes has been remarkable even with adversity in squad and major departures.

    To finish in CL (above Spurs of course), even win a couple of FA cups along the way is not exactly the apex of our ambition but it is remarkable consistency and a very high standard.

    Those who fret about Wenger leaving should understand he will leave anyway sooner than later (Maybe a kick upstairs to director of football might be useful for the club)

    Meanwhile, being the sort of person he is, he will prepare the ground for his succesor. Key to it will be keeping the main elements of current squad so they can add on. I have no doubt as well (barring disaster, say fall out of CL and behind Spurs), he will be allowed to leave on his own accord.

    He deserves that given what he has done with the club both financially and on the pitch, growing us from a relatively small club in money terms to where we are now able to compete against debt financed clubs with oil rich sugar daddies.

    I think it deplorable the fans that bay for his blood, accusing him of manufacturing the toxic environment that they are responsible of with their petty banners.

    Class is permanent and we should exhibit a bit of class.

    I have no problem with people wanting a change of manager but save the dirty laundry to end of season at least. There is plenty still to play for and if we should think to prefer being out of CL for the cause of kicking Wenger out, I suggest this is not the mentality a real fan but someone with preconceived agenda.

    Wenger will likely (and I think it right) scout for a successor that can share his ethos.

    Some of these candidates are tied up with National teams at the moment. Meanwhile the short period to bridge before he steps down can be used to lithmus test younger aspirants currently emerging and/or develop some of the more ambitious (and capable) of our ex players (many like Henry of whom prefer to be safe on the sidelines at the moment)

    Support the gaffer to the end of the season.

    Improbable as it may seem, we still have a CL match up. Also the FA cup and we have to finish above Spurs and I believe as high up as we can in CL spots.

    Save the recriminations till end of season where there is some distance to take things in better perspective not when we are still fighting.

    If we insist we won’t win CL or anythingelse, I suggest we lack a bit of fight. Is that how we’d like the team to think as well?

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    • Ferguson put Moyes in place and left. Who will Wenger bring ? Do you think that person will be a winner or just someone who shares what Wenger sees as Arsenal values ?

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      • How about Klopp?

        I’m sure the pundits agreed some seasons back he would be perfect to succeed Wenger. Certainly his team showed mental strength last game against Hull.

        Or Guardiola. His team shows mental strength this season. That’s why they are a whole point above us.

        😉

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      • I think it needs to be a combination of both. Arsenals values are an important part of the clubs identity. Last thing I want to see is a Mourinho type character at Arsenal.

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    • Find me an Arsenal fan that wanted Arsene Wenger in 1996. David Dein brought him in and I bet most all of us went “who the fuck is this guy?”, I know I did. We needed to replace the Rioch because he was falling short of expectations. Is Arsene Wenger not doing the same? Do you honestly think we can win the Champions League? Or do you just hope we do? Because all fans should hope their team to do well (you’re a silly bastard if you don’t) but actually believing is not the same as hoping. Arsenal are not Leicester, we shouldn’t have to be hoping on a prayer for titles, we should be believing we can titles because we’re one of the clubs with the potential to build the best XI in the country.
      All keeping Arsene is saying is that “we’re comfortable where we are, we’re scared to do anything that might potentially see us fall out of the top 4, so we’ll play it safe and just hope we can pull a title or two out of the bag because anything can happen right?”.

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      • I met Arsene in Nagoya in 96. Was a nice fellow but I was surprised Arsenal signed him. Did a great job but he should have gone 3-4 years ago

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  12. How about:
    Cech
    Hector – Gabriel – Kos – Holding – Gibbs
    Elneny – Xhaka
    Lucas – Alexis – Welbeck

    Against the top teams?

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    • Players are fine but it’s the tactics that will count. No good if we play 2 at the back all the time with full backs both bombing forward together and DMs wandering up there too.

      AW may have to adopt a 3 – 5 – 2 with more astute use of midfielders to counter top teams. Use 442 or even 433 against lesser teams home/away.

      He prides his teams on not worrying about the other side but that just smacks of laziness in not identifying how others will play. Hence players complaining that they were surprised at approach of Bournemouth and Preston.

      AW must recognise that defence is also part of the beauty in the game.

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      • “Players are fine but it’s the tactics that will count.”

        Yes and I haven’t told you the tactics yet!
        They are:
        Score more goals than the other team and elbow their players a lot, without giving away free kicks.
        No need to thank me…:-)

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        • Tactically, we have to play to the strengths of the player we have.

          Conte is doing just that.

          You cannot tailor the players to a system (which is what GUardiola is trying to do), the system has to fit the player.

          Wenger has had a problem IMO in midfield.

          Santi was deem fit but is out again (which is not surprising as I’ve mentioned before because of age)

          Granit was bought for a specific reason.

          Wenger knows Coquelin is a different beast playing with someone behind him in midfield. It allows him and the team to turn over the ball higher up (and in turn allows an Alexis up top scenario to prosper)

          But without Granit, Coquelin has had to adjust to Ramsey.

          We saw last season it was hit and miss as the pair conspired to let in 13 goals in 7 straight games. Imagine if that was Flamini who incidentally found better balance with Ramsey (with wins over City and a high pressure Olympiakos away match)

          Nor is Elneny an answer. He is a squad player at best.

          Ox has only recently come into central midfield with Coquelin so again we are faced with hiccups and adjustment issues (even if Ox has been excellent individually)

          But it is the pairing that counts.

          Last two matches, Coquelin has been a panicked shambles.

          This is the problem.

          If we switch to a different system, it may make us more solid at the back but it may be at expense of say Ozil and forward edge.

          The trick is to strike the best balance between attack and defense.

          But always, the consideration is system has to take into account the players we have.

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    • Mustafi is a way better player than some would deem to suggest after recent game.

      No Holding. Too inexperienced still.

      Elneny is way overrated. Some people like 7amkickoff would deem to quote statistics they would like you to see like passing completion but truth is passing by Elneny is often backwards or sideways. With coquelin in the team, you need someone to join Ozil further forward when we are attacking, which is why Ox may work (for that matter Iwobi)

      Don’t touch the midfield. Balance is wrong still but Ox and Coquelin have to figure it out. When Granit returns he should come back in, He provides something for the team and works well with Coquelin briniging the best out of him. With Granit, he sits deep allowing Coquelin to do the destructive work further forward.

      Same to some extent with Santi. When Coquelin plays with Ramsey, its a role reversal and he is no better if not worse than Flamini was.

      Alexis drew blank last game so it doesn’t mean having him up top necessarily works particularly if teams are packed tight.

      I’d like to see Lucas though.

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  13. I overheard someone in the pub who said his mate knows a bloke that can get you a bag of mental strength something or other, really cheap! I wonder if Arsene knows him? 🙂

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  14. We are specialists in mental weakness it arrives every season just when you don’t need it,then when the pressures off we can start playing, every now and then we get mentally strong and kick someone’s ass and just when the hope starts growing it’s crushed again by a wave of mental brain farts that goes through the hole team, no player is safe. Please explain Wenger I grow tired of this it saps my life force.

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  15. Did anyone watch the tunnelcam against Preston? Arsene was a bloody wreck, wringing his hands and looking at the monitor and looking absolutely shit scared. That’s what our players are having to contend with before the games, a manager who is afraid. Which is why they take so long to settle, and why their confidence is so low. And one of the major reasons I believe Arsene needs to bow out at the end of the season.

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    • (Sorry if this appears twice!)
      Arsene can be a rickety boat on a sea of anxiety at times, and that damn zipper never helps him out, but he’s of formidable mind and spirit and he cuts a pretty cool customer when he comes out to shake hands. This guy loves winning and hates losing, no different than any other manager. He doesn’t strike me as the wartime general there to rally the troops, but players have pointed to moments when his words alone have inspired them to more.

      Arsenal play at a high rate: when things are clicking and passing and movement are flowing, we brim with confidence and style (and almost guaranteed success); when we aren’t clicking, and our passing is astray (as against Chelsea), we lose the grip on our game. I’m sure there is a great orchestral metaphor in there somewhere. The hope this year was that up the spine of the team (Cech, Koscielny, Xhaka, Sanchez) there would be a line of leaders who would ensure that the mentality on the pitch remains focused and confident, despite poor performances. We’ve seen the team rise above itself and get the needed points, and we’ve seen them drop well below who we know them to be. It has been exhilarating, and deeply frustrating. I think the team needs a ritual on the pitch to enact a kind of “reset button” — a key word, a gesture, a quick huddle, a rallying cry (something clearly communicated throughout the team, player to player) — when they lose control of the game. The captain should take on this responsibility, and Wenger should have a means to signal the captain if he believes that mental reset is needed. It seems schoolyardish, and you’d think highly paid professionals could overcome this, but the weakened mentality happens to every team at one point or another (despite what the Arsenal-hating media and ‘same old fans’ would have you believe). Wenger is never going to be the shouting father on the sidelines berating his kids for not executing his plans (he’d have lost his voice 12 years ago) like Conte or Klopp, or pantomiming his inner vision like Pep, but he seems more engaged on the sidelines to me, as his touchline ban suggests.

      Winning a 38-game 9-month trophy is hard to do, and though teams like Leicester last season and Chelsea this season are making it look relatively easy, we aren’t the only ones struggling to keep up the momentum along the way. We ripped Chelsea back in September, and they ripped us in the return. It happens. Angry fans want to burn it all down, but that won’t change how difficult it is to sustain a title challenge.

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  16. I think both our squad and its depth is on par or stronger than all our rivals this season.

    Lets face it, the only reason Wenger is still running this club is because he is very successfull financially, And to our owner that is all that matters.

    If we had a ambitious owner who wanted to see the club succeed on a sporting level and prioritized accordingly then Wenger would no doubt have been replaced years ago.

    Other top clubs in Europe have replaced managers several times with great success. Chelsea is the prime example this season how a breath of fresh air can spur new found belief and passion even in a squad who was at a personal rock bottom last season.

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    • Its not just financially but the certainty that even if he fails in the season, he has been able to finish top 4 at very least.

      Plus lets not forget there is a bit of a pattern.

      Last season as this, the league leaders running away is a team without CL football.

      Clearly an advantage.

      That said, we have to find our own balance rotating and I think it is more of an issue with the teams like us, and City who have to cope with the extra games (Spurs too)

      This weekend, we have another opportunity, Spurs play Liverpool so someone will drop. Hopefully its Spurs.

      City are one point ahead so we have to hunt them down.

      Both Klopp and Guardiola have been touted as successors to Arsene in the past but despite lavish money, they are still struggling in and around Wenger.

      So we bring in someone but there is no guarantee that they can perform any better.

      In any case the issue is moot since as mentioned most of the top managers are commited. I don’t see how Eddie Howe is anything other than a flipant choice. We’ve seen the same dissenting voices clamouring for people like Martinez before, AVB, Moyes, Rodgers a whole host of managers that appeared to be successful with a lower club and then when they hit the big time choked.

      The other issue is very few managers spend and buy as well as Wenger. Or develop players as well. Whilst this is less of an issue now in part because Wenger has grown our finances over the decades and made us self sustainable, it is s till an important facet recommending in favour of the incumbent.

      As mentioned, I think he will leave anyway sooner than later so all this current classless noise is frankly a waste of time.

      Right now, we need to get behind the team, not create a toxic environment (because it isn’t Wenger who is doing this but some clowns who call themselves fans) and continue to fight on.

      There is still PLENTY at stake.

      If its EVEN just pride at stake as some fans would deem to play down, that should be enough motivation.

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  17. I think with this squad we should be challenging it’s as good as anything in the pl! Should of challenged properly last year but again failed! The problem Wenger has is he is not a pessimist he never plans/coaches the team on how to deal with the other team. We always set-up to play the arsenal/Wenger way I can remember 2 games where we set-up differently city away and Bayern at home what was the results 2 wins! He has become stubborn in his ways we all hate him saying we could of signed this player but we couldn’t compete financially then in the summer we always hear we have loads of money to spend! So which is it we either can’t afford players or he is told to balance the books but I thought moving to the Emirates was meant to make us compete with the elite don’t remember buying/outbidding any elite teams for a player! So I am ready for change I believe with the right manager this squad could challenge just look at Chelsea for example. It will be a shame for him to go but gone are the days of a 2 horse title race and when everyone compares him to Ferguson I think this is out of touch yes they have been at legendary for both clubs but Ferguson’s title count is unbelievable and utd made a big mistake by getting rid of both the manager and the chief executive at the same time. I think it is about time we seen if the board are talk and no action or if Wenger was in fact holding them back by not being ruthless in the transfer market anyone remember the Suarez bid lol. I respect what he has done but to simplify if every year u failed to achieve targets set by your boss by doing the same things u wouldn’t last long!

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  18. Much is made a meal out of this.

    I’m quite sure City, United and Liverpool fans also say the same that their team lack mental strength.

    Maybe not the Sours because they are deluded.

    😉

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  19. The mental problems have been there for 10 bloody years..exactly how long are the fans supposed to give him..he has a squad there more than capable of winning the league and maybe did too last year but yet the same old problems resurface year after year..I just don’t see wenger being able to fix the situation..and to be fair to the angry fans he has had quite a long time to attempt to fix said problems with nothing but repetitive failure..when all is said and done the buck stops with the manager and his numbers up.

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  20. I never really get into the Arsene stay or go debate, I think it’s quite obvious it’s 1000000% upto him when he goes, even if we finished mid table the board would say he deserves it for his service to the club.It’s Arsenal I love not a manager or player or director!UP THE ARSENAL FOREVER!!!

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  21. Why are pundits so scared to say Arsenal need a new approach with that a new manager. The system at Arsenal is dated and not designed to bring the best out of our players. They shite on about mentality and tactics being non existent at Arsenal but praise Wenger’s philosophies. They play both sides then chastise fans who want change. Gary Neville leads the pack.

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  22. Arsene is just technically weak.He has failed to balance the team. There are rough games where u think people like Ozil should be on bench but he fails to get it. We play the same game and fail to adapt. There are times when you thought he would bring on someone like Wanyama on the cheap but he failed. I think Arsene will never balance the team, for he believes in one philosophy

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  23. Agree with Shonky about love is blind.If the fm were to stay,it would basically mean moe of the sameiethe gunners will choke feb/March/April.
    I say time for a fresh start.

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  24. You can’t say “Arsenal have had the same problem they’ve had for almost 2 decades” then say “the man who’s been in charge of Arsenal over that period should stay”. At this point I think any faith in Arsene Wenger to deliver at the highest level is just blind faith. Once upon a time Thierry Henry was the world best striker. He got older, got worse, recognised that and took on new challenges that suited his relative ability. Arsene Wenger has arguably been the best manager in the world at different stages; winning the double, revolutionising English football from the style on the pitch to the training ground methods to diet, discovering and nurturing talents which would go on to be to be recognised as truly world class ( Vieira, Cashely Cole, Lauren, Toure, Henry himself, Robin van Fuckface ). He turned bad players into good ones ( Alex Song for example) He turned good players into great ones. He became the (joint?) record winner of the FA cup, the oldest fucking competition in the world and so much more. But now he’s not that man anymore. He should do what’s best for him and the club and move on, hopefully right on upstairs to the boardroom because I’ll be fucked if Kroenke and pals are ceded all control of this football club just like that.

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  25. The Daily Mail has a Wenger poll online today: “Sportsmail’s reporters give their verdicts on whether he’ll ever win the Premier League again”
    Every single one of them said no, and Wenger has to go.

    Here’s one very prescient opinion from ADAM CRAFTON
    “No, I don’t think he will because of the quality of opposition in the top six now but also his and Arsenal’s own deficiencies. Too many opportunities have been spurned over the years and the frailties of 10 years ago remain the same today. A culture has developed where not only is second best OK but so too is 3rd or 4th and that is not what sport should be about. ”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4199176/Will-Arsenal-win-Premier-League-Arsene-Wenger.html#ixzz4Y2rVrK8u

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    • Oh well the Daily Mail,says it somit must be true.
      Jeez the fact that people quote this rubbish makes me fear for the future of humanity. Or at least the UK educational system.

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  26. The manager is the main one responsible for the mentality. Conte would never allow players like Ozil just jog around while the ship is sinking. We need a new manager, new energy and ideas. There are a couple of very good ones in Germany

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    • Wenger out. And Ozil too, unless he can start playing well in more than 25% of our games…taking the piss demanding pay rises with his form over the last 2 months

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  27. read a comment from Troy Deeney of how ramsey bottled it by turning his back to that kaboul goal.
    dont know if he really said it but imagine when your opponents from watford dont give you any respect.

    fans are really in the dumps right now.

    of course now that all is lost the players will wake up, win some games and get that 2nd spot sorted out. and another heroic season will come to an end. like getting stuck in an endless horrible carousel playing circus music.

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  28. Supporting this regime is like being stuck in a cell listening to Easy street on loop,I love arsenal but hate all the rest of it,fan division/in fighting,financing (esp every window),ownership etc,if a change of manager after 20 odd years changes any of this its worth it IMO

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  29. Team against bayern..and rest of season……cheq
    Gabriel.kos.mustafi
    Bellerin. Gibbs
    Coq..xakai
    Perez…Sanchez…wellbeck

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  30. some Arsenal fans use Arsenal to make them feel better. The Arsenal and sports General should be a place where you relax and enjoy the win,draw or loose. Life is more serious than Football and sports generally…COYG

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  31. Sadly, It seems as if Henry is aware to the fact that Wenger will sign a new contract (more like give to himself a new one…) so saying the Arsene isn’t the right man for the job would be pointless and hurtful. Choosing to avoid those two seems logic.

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  32. What a Wenger apologist. Needs to go. Great Arsenal stalwart but everyone has a ‘use by date’. His came a few years ago. Hunger, ambition and fresh perspective urgently required. Change, please.

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