Report: Bayern Munich 5-1 Arsenal (inc. goals)


Starting XI: Ospina, Bellerin, Mustafi, Koscielny, Gibbs, Xhaka, Coquelin, Ozil, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Iwobi, Alexis

Subs: Cech, Gabriel, Monreal, Elneny, Walcott, Welbeck, Giroud

Bayern Munich humbled Arsenal in the first leg of the Champions League knockout clash at the Allianz Arena as goals from Arjen Robben, Robert Lewandowski, a brace by Thiago and Thomas Muller sealed a 5-1 win.

The Gunners had made it to half time on level terms after Alexis Sanchez made amends for a penalty miss by converting the rebound, however, their second half collapse leaves them with a mountain to climb when the two sides meet at the Emirates in two weeks time. By a mountain, think Everest in bare feet, carrying a bag of rocks.

First half

Carlo Ancelotti’s side may have garnered criticism for their recent performances in the Bundesliga – you know, what with ONLY being seven points clear at the top at the moment – but as five-time winners of the Champions League and with 15 consecutive wins at home in the tournament Bayern weren’t suffering any nerves in the early stages.

The home side stroked the ball around crisply, dominating possession and pushing the Gunners onto the back foot. Wenger’s men knew they needed to close down the midfield in packs, but that is easier said than done against quality opposition.

Vidal’s drive from 20-yards signaled the end of the first phase of probing. From their next opportunity, the Germans weren’t to be so forgiving.

11 minutes were on the clock when Arjen Robben, so often the scourge of the Gunners, cut in from the right, opened up his body and curled home with his left foot into the top corner. It was a fine effort but Francis Coquelin’s failure to close down the Dutchman was criminal. (1-0)

Buoyed by the goal, the men in red forced Arsenal deeper and deeper into their own half. Robben twice more cut in from the right attempting efforts.

Arsene Wenger’s men struggled to keep the ball on the rare occasions they won it back until an Alexis charge on 25 minutes drew a foul and booking from Matts Hummels on the edge of the box. Ozil’s free-kick was tepid, Manuel Neuer fumbled, the ball went just wide.

The Gunners found their mojo, pressing higher up the pitch and when a short corner was fed into the box by Alexis, a penalty was awarded for a foul on Laurent Koscielny by a clumsy Robert Lewandowski.

Alexis stepped up to plate. There was a delay, he hesitated, missed but somehow collected the rebound under pressure from four defenders, spun and slipped the ball home. A very important away goal. (1-1)

After that the chances flowed at both ends. Lewandowski, twice, and Hummels headed off target. At the other end, Xhaka’s fierce volley from a speedy Gunners break was straight at Neuer. In stoppage time, Ozil then tested his compatriot again as he shot low.

Second half

There was a double injury worry for the Gunners at the start of the second half as Laurent Koscielny tweaked his hamstring and Ospina fell awkwardly on his shoulder under pressure from David Alaba. The Frenchman was replaced by Gabriel while the Colombian required lengthy treatment. Kieran Gibbs was handed the captain’s armband.

Not long after the defensive reshuffle Lewandowski restored Bayern’s lead. The Poland international hung in the air above Shkodran Mustafi to head home Philip Lahm’s cross past a stranded Ospina. (2-1)

Arsenal’s resistance crumbled. Three minutes later an Alonso pass into Lewandowski was flicked around the corner by the Pole for Thiago to run onto and finish first time. (3-1)

Lewandowski, Robben and Martinez might have added a fourth as Bayern tightened the screw. Eventually, Thiago did find the back of the net again via an almighty deflection off Granit Xhaka that left Ospina on his arse. (4-1)

As his teammates chased shadows, Ospina made superb stops from Vidal and Costa to keep the score down. He tried his best, but there was nothing the Colombian could do when Chamberlain pressed the self-destruct button on the edge of his own box. Thomas Muller, with his first touches of the ball, killed the game dead with Bayern’s fifth. (5-1)


    • Is anyone surprised?

      What else needs to happen that even Señor Blogs sees the inevitable? 😉 The club needs a clean change and Wenger a break or a new challenge.

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      • WENGER OUT OZIL OUT Chamberlain OUT Xhaka OUT yes we just got him i dont care OUT too slow doesn’t know how to tackle. Hummels literally walked through the ox coquelin annnnd Xhaka and almost scored no one put in a single tackle!!!!! Ubelievable.

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        • Actually It’s not all WENGERS fault but I think it’s time HE’s not ruthless IWOBI was better than the OX and he takes him out and moves OX deep???? the OX was Knackered after 15min he wasn’t up for it from the first whistle just sluggish from the start OZIL was SHxxxxxxxT

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      • What really bugs me is the sheer predictability of this game. I mean every year we think thia would be the year we win against Bayern or barca and every year we get the same results. And I bet next year too arsenal with Wenger at helm (who else) will look to beat barva or Bayern again with age old tactics and get our ass kickes

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        • It will never happen as long as Wenger remains the manager of AFC. It is sad that many of my fellow lover of this wonderful football club can not see how low this club has gone under Wenger leadership. What actually do most of us want from this club and what are we affraid of? Is it difficult to see that the club is not doing well and nasn’t done in the past 11 years apart from winning the two FA cups. Majority of the players are not playing for wenger, they are not scared of him and above all, they are not the kind of players capable of winning the league or any european championship. like I do regularly say in this forum, morden football is more that slik/skills. It requires agility, mental strenght, beleive, doggadness and never die attitude. You can only get one or two people in the team that have those attributes. Until will start to buy such players with different management approach, we will never win big.

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      • Hold up! Are people more happy to prove the Boss is not good enough or more disappointed at the whipping humiliation? That was a spanking!!! I feel like crying for the lads this must be tough, hope they can recover from this quick! No need feeling sorry, life goes on.

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      • I understand the anger towards Ozil. But would any other manager let him stroll around like he does.
        The man is class but just needs coaching and the odd bollocking. Wenger has let all the players enter the same comfort zone he himself lives in.
        We need a clear out starting with wenger and several players.
        We may need to go backwards as a club for a few years before we move forward again. But this can’t continue like this. We are a laughing stock.

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      • It’s easy isn’t it, to slam dunk the easy option. First half good solid performance he even won the odd tackle, both him and Alexis constantly telling the rest of the team to move up field and put Bayern under some pressure. Hey when we eventually took note during last fifteen minutes we looked good.

        Second half, lost Kos early on not good enough apparently by the way and fell to pieces. Ozil everyone’s go to guy had no opportunities to do anything, Why? well pretty simple really even at 4-1 down we still stood defensively two unlocked (regularly) rows of four admiring Bayern at every opportunity.

        Fact is Pep (I know really pains me to say this) revolutionised Arsene’s tactics (pressing game as well as passing game) and other managers are even moving on from that.

        Shown up tonight for what we are LEADERLESS!

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    • Tonight was hard. Having watched Arsene’s interview I’ve never seen him so deflated. He knows it’s time to go at the end of the season. I for one will remember him as the man who gave me many happy memories from the late 90’s and early 2000’s. He changed the club in a positive way. It’s really sad his time is coming to end this way, but it’s time. Hit the refresh button and we’ll see what happens.

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      • Nice comment Al. It looks like it is going to be a sad end for Arsene and shows that Hollywood endings don’t really exist in real life. I will also remember him for the incredible times he gave me and us all through those golden years.

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    • “this team has no heart or backbone. They downed tools and gave up tonight” – from the guardian match report. Harsh? Sure, but hard to argue.

      I’m not happy with Arsene but right now but I’m disgusted with the players.

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    • Ozil (40m), Sanchez (36m), Chambers (17m), Welbeck (17m), Gabriel (13m), Debuchy (13m), Ospina (4m), Elneny (10m), Cech (12m), Mustafi (35m), Xhaka (40m);

      I’m not an expert but it seems that Wenger has spent close to 250m (pounds) on this team and delivered fuck all. That’s not accounting for the cost of developing Koscielny, Ramsey, Gibbs. Chamberlain, Walcott… which is even greater because you pay by conceding points in the league.

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  1. Even accepting that Bayern are a better team, it’s not just that we lose in the round of 16 every single year. It’s the fact that most years we also get humiliated. And that extends beyond the Champions League as well. It’s not just that Wenger’s teams never win big games, it’s that we’re as likely to get absolutely killed as we are to steal a draw.

    It’s unacceptable. If you come to play on the counter, why bring Ozil? You need 11 players working. I know he’s going to get stick after this, but it’s only partially his fault. This was not a game for a player like him, no matter how brilliant he is. Koscielny going down obviously hurt, but how are we so goddam fragile? Surely this has to be the final season, right? Send the Southampton team to the 2nd leg.

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    • All seven these Round of 16 exits have been humiliating, save maybe for the Barcelona one that started the trend seven years ago (wasn’t that when we won 2-1 at home and the return leg featured THAT res card?)

      Ever since then, we’ve lost the tie in the first leg every time.

      For years now, this team has been taking two steps back each time they took a step forward. We’ve failed miserably to build on those two FA Cup successes and now we’re just stumbling along in limbo until our deluded manager finally realises he’s years past his expire date.

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    • There is no reason for Ozil to get any stick here. This is not his type of game and its all on Wenger for picking the wrong team again. Iwobi was a disgrace. But hey any fool could see the problems down our left except one man. I’ve backed Wenger this long. No more. There is no reason for a contract extention.

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    • The home leg has yet to be played yet people are throwing in the towel already. Whatever happened to It ain’t over till it’s over?

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    • Fucking Gabriel, man. Another in the long line of defenders Wenger has classed as ‘top class’. In reality another bargain basement player we’ve paid over the odds for. Shocking defender and not much better at attacking either. As a team we don’t press. It’s been the standout characteristic of this team. At Highbury we would suffocate teams within the first 20 minutes battling for the ball. Now we positively invite teams to throw crosses into our box. It’s an utter shambles, and much as I admire Wenger’s dedication to the passing game it won’t win this team anything significant, and will repeat the wallopings we get from any decent team smart enough to realise we don’t really do defending.

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  2. We will never start a game comfortably and prepared for the opposition at hand under Wenger. We will never win the PL or Champions League under Wenger. We will never play the players that deserve to play under Wenger. Credit to Ospina for keeping the scoreline under 10. The familiarity makes me nauseous. Arsene out.

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  3. Why go through the mental turmoil, worry about getting 4th. When ultimately this is what happens.
    And look, you don’t have to be in the champions league to attract the best players. That’s a myth.

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    • Not that he’s a favorite in the Arsenal ranks, but I saw Roy Keane post-match saying, “when you have Gibbs wearing the captain’s armband, you’re in trouble.” Couldn’t agree more.

      What Arsenal would give to have grit like a Keane, Vieira, Kanté, Vidal, even an Alcântara.

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    • Really? Do you think that was in any way the problem? Who would you have preferred and would it have made a difference? For what it’s worth Gibbs has come through the ranks and been a loyal, hard-working and dedicated member of the squad, I’m sure he’s well respected amongst the players.

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  4. There is a crisis of confidence our club. There is no way back from this. We spent 30m on xhaka this year he is fuckin awful. Mustaffi do me a favour. Clear the decks. Across the board

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    • Crisis of confidence? Is that a euphemism for Mr. Wenger being a lousy match manager? Every game the players look surprised by what they encounter on the pitch. Sometimes he manages to correct it at half time; not when there’s a decent manager in the opposition end, though.

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  5. The level of Arsenal’s defending is truly horrific and embarrassing. Until the team is able to come up with any resemblance of defensive organisation and cut down on the comical errors, we should not harbour any hope of winning anything noteworthy. Sadly though i’m not convinced this will ever happen with Wenger in charge.

    Credit to Bayern as well, they played some incredible football and made us look like amateurs in the second half. If not for Ospina, this could have been a cricket score.

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    • Quite honestly if Burnley had played this Bayern side they might have lost but they wouldn’t have been hammered like this disorganised bunch. Horrendous defending

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      • That’s wrong! Non-existent can’t be described as horrendous.

        There has been no defensive training or planning in the Wenger era – he expects players to know what to do. In that case why do we need to pay him £30m or to ignore it. The two teams with good defences we’ve had – first inherited, second clearly lucky one-off (like Leicester).

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  6. We have no midfield. Coq is fairly shit. Xhaka not much better. Get Wenger out and look at sorting out the midfield.

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    • We all, including Blogs, we’re looking for Elneny and Xhaka in the middle. Coq has been average to poor for a bit too long now.

      Also, How Walcott and Giroud came on instead of Welbz is truly bizarre.

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    • Agree with this. I always wondered whether Coq’s rise was just down to a temporary conjunction of the right time/place etc or if he really was a top defensive midfield player that everyone including Wenger had missed for so long. At the moment it seems like the former.

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  7. complete and utter humiliation…lets be honest guys…ozil has only shown his madrid form one season…he’s been very poor this year…wenger has hunger and passion but not the insight he used to back in the day…we need a change…even if it is to go two steps back…the club as of now is definitely not going forward…

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  8. Where to start?
    Happy for the away goal, but God knows how that was a penalty against Bayern? Lewandowski was going for the ball, not a foul.
    Sanchez keeps holding onto the ball for too long and gives it away and when he actually needs to hold the ball up he gives it away.
    There was a moment where he tried doing step overs past like 2-3 players in a 1 metre area, when he could’ve held it up and passed to incoming Arsenal players.

    The less said about Ozil the better. There was a freeze-frame on Fox Sports which showed him walking while Robben had the ball.

    He indicated to Coquelin to close down, while he kept walking.
    In another moment, he was walking towards the Arsenal box while Bayern were advancing.

    No-one is asking him to a defensive midfielder, but these situations are were everyone has to pitch in defensively.

    Absolutely disgusting.

    We should seriously consider paying Tony Fucking Pulis £2 million or something to be part of backroom staff as a defensive coach, because our goals conceded in the league is quite low but we always give away easy goals.

    We don’t know how to close down and how to press and with Ozil in the squad, it ensures we have a slavish, inflexible, sometimes suicidal devotion to 4-2-3-1.

    Drop Ozil for our next Premier League game and play a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1 with Iwobi in Ozils position in Perez or Welbeck on the left.

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    • What that freeze frame shows is Özil staying in a passing lane thus blocking Alonso, while Gibbs, Coq and (I think) Koscielny are all sold a dummy by Robben (Who has never gone outside a defender in his entire career.) The anti Özil agenda has become a self-fulfilling prophecy now, with positional play and blocking passes (otherwise known as intelligent defending) now seen as not good enough and lacking desire because it means he isn’t constantly running after the ball à la Coquelin, or my 9 year old son, even though this is the sort of defending which allowed for Thiago’s first goal which IMO was the killer. Özil didn’t particularly play well, but to blame this result on him is erroneous. Look at Iwobi, Coq, Gibbs, Mustafi first, and then at the man who bought & trains them all.

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    • Le Coq was supposed to block Robben but never mind I’m sure fox enjoyed their moment. By the way Robben the most one footed player in football and Le Coq decides to shut down his “standing leg” would be laughable if it wasn’t against us.

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  9. So frustrated it’s beyond belief. Been watching through thick and thin but when the players can’t and don’t show any heart it’s fucking annoys me. Whether or not people agree I think Arsenes time is up. If a manager failed to properly manage and motivate their employees to succeed consistently they would be out the job so why should he stay?
    Mid table bundesliga sides put up a better fight week in week out ffs

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  10. Greetings my fellow Arsenal brethren, it’s that time again. Thank you to everyone who voted after the last two match reports (more than 500 people participating each time). The results were:
    After Chelsea – Arsene to leave 73% / Arsene to stay 27%
    After Hull – Arsene to leave 54% / Arsene to stay 46%

    You know what to do…..

    Wenger to leave at the end of the season – thumbs up

    Wenger to stay – thumbs down

    Thanks everyone!

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  11. I’ve reached my breaking point. I love Arsenal and I love Arsene BUT enough is enough. I’m not upset we lost. I fully expected it. It’s the nature of the defeat. Yet another first leg last 16 humiliation. Best squad we have had in a decade and still the same poor, laboured and tactically inept performance. It breaks my heart BUT, Wenger out.

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  12. time to blow it up….if you need me I will be bombing bourbon and listening to johnny cash “hurt” for the next 12 hours or so

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  13. Told you guys not to get too hyped.
    Same crap every year after year, season after season.

    Wenger will sign a 2 year extension this summer and history will repeat itself for 2 more seasons.

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  14. Thanks for the result.

    Now i have saved more time by not watching EPL and UCL, and visiting 10 times a day for any news.

    FA Cup here we come.

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  15. What a strange era has come. You love and support a football team that doesn’t play football and it’s manager lost all the footballing sense on the earth. The board? Oh, no…
    I doubt that even total reconstruction of AFC will bring things on the right way!

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        • Yeah, and a limo to the game and some sedatives and a length of rope because watching this team makes you want to do yourself in. Seriously, we suffered from a bad case of Arsenalphobia (fear of champions league quarter finals)
          This team has no spine whatsoever, Sanchez if he has any sense will leave. Wenger always talks about this team having great “spirit”, there is absolutely no fight in this team. The first half was a game of football, the second was absolute comedy, I seriously laughed when that 5th goal went in. I respect what Wenger has done but that was back when players wore parachutes for jerseys, everything has moved on yet we are stuck with a manager who does not know or is to stubbern to change. I would not mind dropping out of the champions league in order to regroup with a new manager and we would regroup because we are a very attractive club for almost any manager. We are stale and so predictable. Seriously it is the hope that kills me most because we have so much potential but no end product. This team would be one of the best in the world if we had a Klopp or dare I say it, a Pochettino. So sick of this.

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  16. Absolutely gutless and LAZY as always.

    Too many of our so called ‘top’ players just disappear when we need them. Ozil and Walcott are the worst offenders for me, but there are others.

    Every time we play a top team Arsenal just collectively **** their pants and can’t string two passes together.

    I just thing Ozil is a luxury we can’t afford, moments of magic yes, but so few and far between and we always look outnumbered in midfield with him.

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  17. Remember when we nearly beat Barca but TGSTEL missed his shot. This is a better team? The manager has grown? Total failure of heart

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  18. We are a genuine embarrassment. Start of the game and we’re pressing. Five minutes later: “that’s enough hard work for one half”. Start of the second half, we’re pressing. Five minutes later: “well this is tiring, let’s just give up”.
    It is patently obvious that Arsene Wenger has allowed a culture of mediocrity to rot our club, where tokenistic hard work is deemed acceptable, and the players know he is not going to do anything about it. He is not the manager we need, and he is not the manager I want. Please leave.

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  19. Yawn same old crap, its clear the players can not raise their game for wenger or for the shirt. Heartless and hopeless performance totally out classed.

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  20. Definition of insanity, being an Arsenal fan. It was like a premier League team against non league. We are rubbish with Wenger in charge and we are getting worse. The worst thing that can happen to us now is Wenger signing a new contract. Get someone fresh in and get rid of most of the mediocrity thats stinking up this club. Im so so embarrassed

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  21. Bayern were immense today. But they were immense because we allowed them to be. Their midfield of Thiago, Alonso and Vidal were amazing. Because we didn’t close them down and we allowed them to be. Robben and Lahm were awesome. Because we let them create double ups and Robben to cut in on his left. We allowed them to be. It’s like they’ve never watched them play. I have been the biggest fan of Wenger but same shit different year and we never learn. We don’t improve. We allow oppositions to be great because we don’t adapt. Time for him to go. Also, I have been the biggest Ozil fan but he can fuck off and all. Literally walked around the pitch like a petulant little price for almost all of that game. The only player who can hold his head remotely high is Ospina. Without him it could have been 8 or 9. And we would have deserved it. Because we allowed them to be. Pathetic.

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  22. As suspected we were obliterated. Coaching staff no idea how to use the players. Iwobi on for 65mins (a young understudy) instead of Walcott, Giroud or Welbeck. That’s inexcusable. I’ve said it before that we don’t have a starting XI and he rotates players all the time as if we’re in a meaningless cup game.

    As soon as Koscielny limped off at 1-1 it was over. There’s zero replacements for him at center back. Gabriel has no idea how to play positionally and was torn apart. Gabriel has to go, absolutely not good enough. Problem is we need another replacement when Kos or Mustafi (who wasn’t great either) get injured.

    End of first half was promising but Wenger just can’t manage players anymore. Can’t get belief into them or heart out of them. The skill is smothered by feckless play and when we lose it’s by an embarrassing margin.

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  23. Feel for the fans that spent their hard earned money to go see that performance.

    Sad to see the atmosphere at this great club so toxic and vociferous.

    Wouldn’t blame Alexis for wanting to leave.

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  24. Been following arsenal my whole life but I’m done. Wenger needs to go it is disgraceful. Feel for those that had to pay not just money but time to go to Munich this evening.

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  25. Arsenal players lacking in heart and belief. Bayern have the confidence, motivation to really get up and fight in a big European match and despite poor domestic form put on a real performance. Thomas muller not 100% fit comes on when the game is dead and goes on to score , alonso 33, lahm 33 two world clsss operators who’ve won it all and still have the hunger to go on and out in performances.
    Does arsene instill this belief and drive in his players? And do arsenal players lack or can’t believe they are good enough to win? Sadly I think both is the case

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      • I tell you what, that Sutton game is the last thing we need right now because we will win it and the pressure will be relieved a bit on Wenger. He needs to say that he is not going to sign a new contract so we can begin an overhaul. We need a huge clear out from all of the management right down to a good chunk of the playing staff. Honestly what does Steve Bould do? and who is this guy who is the head shrinker? sack the lot of them.

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  26. Arsene please step down NOW NOW! Enough is clearly enough ;I feel ashamed. Please take your kids with you the Ox Theo, Ramsey,gibbs, coqueliin.

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    • He changed tactics for the 3rd game in a row. We played a 4 man midfield with Ozil and Sanchez roaming up front. It just didn’t work. The Arsene ‘doesn’t do tactics narrative’ is as naive as the job Iwobi and Ox did in that 4 man midfield and as Coq was in allowing Robben to shift in on his left foot. Against Chelsea we started with 3 in midfield and Ozil on the left up front. We changed when Pedro was left by himself on the flank with Iwobi not coming across to cover when not in possession as he was likely instructed and moved back to a 4-2-3-1. The tactics change but the poor play continues. It’s a combination of poor tactical drilling and poor player adaptability. How much it is either way we will find out when a new manager takes over. I expect that new manager will have a lot of work to do with our young players and will need to bring in a few new faces before he sees any great change.

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  27. Please just go arsene. I love you and will always respect you but right now I can’t bear seeing you as manager of our club for even a day longer. Blogs has said numerous times about the second half performances at old Trafford last season and at Stamford bridge this season. We had a half to save our season but we did nothing. Today again we unreservedly went in level at ht. Instead of gaining confidence we put up this shit in the second half? And if we are going to effing park the bus then why play ozil? Why not start with welbeck who can defend better and will counter better. We have parked the bus away at chelsea utd psg city and today this season and have played ozil in all games as if he’s the best defender in the team. We all love Arsenal but right now you’re making it really hard for us arsene along with the board. Just leave us alone. Rant over

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  28. So many things bad, I don’t think you can point to just 1 or 2 players who were awful. Coq, Ox, Iwobi, Mustafi, Gabriel, Ozil were just nightmares. I can imagine Wenger pointing out that losing by 4 goals on the road means Arsenal are of the same quality as Barcelona.

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  29. That was so humiliating, we were gutless, clueless without plan.
    Its ok to sit back but the pressing was ridiculous.
    I wonder what preparation was made for today.
    I’m not Ozil’s biggest fan and i don’t want to slate him
    but for the love of god, Wenger give him a little break to
    hit some sort of form again.
    Finally,well done to Ospina the only player with Chambo for not giving up.

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    • Chambo? Well done? You kidding right?
      Actually you are right mate. He didn’t give up. He only gave the ball to Bayern player for the last goal. No biggie.

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  30. Yeah wingers its Team but it’s players indivual error. Coq and isobi the first goal. Middle three goals just great play and oxo at the end.

    Would have liked coq and Xhaka to played better . Isobi not great either ,and oxo poor.

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  31. Well I unfortunately saw that coming!!! Wenger needs to go, Kos is now injury prone so we need another defender as Gabriel is awful, Ramsey/Wilshire/Santi all need replacing in midfield as too injury prone UNFORTUNATELY, Walcott should be a sub and if Sanchez is going to spit out his dummy AGAIN then time to go sunshine!!! We desperately need a new manager whatever happens!!! Absolutely awful and I would be livid if I gave a monkeys anymore!!!

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    • Kod injury prone ? Are you mad this is the first injury kod had this season he didn’t missca game and of top of that he was overloaded with games from the euros till now and i’m sure its a short term injury 2 weeks max.

      Kos and alexis are our most fitted platers and they played double the games od any other arsenal player that have played.

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  32. Is it groundhog day again…..where is Bill Murray at??? Goodbye round of 16, feel bad for those fans that flew over there and chunked down that money and got this 5-1, Arsene please retire.

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  33. You know when it was clear in first 5 mins that Iwobi was not up for the game; it took him 65 minutes to make a decision. His formation is not working. Where are combination plays, the triangles and what not. There’s no plan and the spirit is totally gone. Whatever he said at half-time was totally opposite to what was needed. I’m sorry he has to go now. 12 years is a long time.

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  34. The club is being destroyed by Wenger and his cronies.
    Stay loyal to Wenger and the board if you want the heart and soul of this club crushed.
    A fucking shambolic disgrace this club is for leaving Wenger to make ALL decisions. He is a tyrant now, because he will not leave, he will control everything. He will not listen to fans.

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  35. Utterly utterly destroyed and humiliated in every conceivable way. Theres to many passengers in this team and it starts with Wenger. We had no gameplan, we had no tactical instructions, no one new what to do and no one new how to defend. This must be the beginning of the end for our manager. Anything else is an insult.

    Özil is just a passanger and it works against teams that sits deep and have no intrerest of attacking. Against any kind of class he is useless. His body language is deplorable and he should get sold in the summer. No more passengers.

    Mustafi is a trainwreck and i’ll rather play Holding. I have seen nothing in Mustafis game that suggests he’s better than Holding rather the opposite

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  36. For heaven’s sake don’t waste the Southampton team on the home leg, we need the youngsters for more important games in the cup & the prem. Most of this clueless bunch can be sold, couldn’t beat Watford at home, what did long suffering AFC supporters really expect?

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  37. Bye Sanchez, Özil, Wenger. I am done with this team, zero fight and they let 2 colossal c*cks in Robbin and Muller score.

    The building around British players gamble worked right. Ramsey, Theo, Ox, Gibbs, Jack and Carl were all bossing the game.

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  38. Genuine question: why is Robben always such a complete & utter knob?

    Re the game. Usual story of all 6’s & 7’s at the back, woeful passing (seriously, 500 passes LESS than the opponents!!!), & completely toothless at the front. Basically, we made it easy for them once again.

    Just don’t get what’s going on with the team or the manager this year ; (

    To the players: if you genuinely have ANY type of interest in AW remaining, you sure as shit ain’t doing anything to prove this or help his cause… Just saying. You’re all utter shits

    To AW, just exactly how poor do certain players have to be before you fire a rocket at them?

    To our Yank owner. Why don’t you & your ‘stache just F off. You caused this, & it won’t change until you do too. But, I don’t want you to change, I just want you gone.

    We’re A Europa League team at best right now, & unfortunately now have been for years.

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  39. I keep this short as possible Wenger out also take the backroom staff with him as well the entire board and a lot our shit players Get in juve coach and start fresh.

    Job done.

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  40. Wow. Do people think the dressing room is playing for Wenger or are they just that hopeless. I think Wenger should fall on his sword tonight and I say that as his biggest fan. If he doesn’t I will go back to Wenger-in for the start of next season but he needs to sign a quality central midfielder. Ox, Granit, Jack, Ramsey, Cock, Eleny are all squad players. He also needs to think about what he wants from a winger- Iwobi, Ox, Walcott etc are all not good enough. If he wants to stay I would like to see a ruthlessness next summer. Alexis and Özil are not perfect but they could do with a better platform.

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  41. Wenger out. Anyone who defends him is bloody deluded. Go back to watching tapes of 96 -04 since you’re stuck in the past. Disgrace of a coach.

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    • I’m sure there are still plenty of deluded fuckers out there who still believe in Wenger.
      There needs to be a mass protest now at the next game. Teach those fuckers at the top a lesson

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      • Wont change a thing, guarantee it. This guy just will NOT leave and nobody will make him. We are a business and I just cannot imagine Silent Stan or Ivan the Terrible losing ANY sleep tonight, why would they, we are profitable.

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  42. Humbled is far beyond an understatement. We got dominated and looked like assholes as soon as Kos, came off. I don’t want to hear anymore excuses from the team. Real change needs to start now.

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  43. Ridiculous. Absolute humiliation. A club with so much history and pride as Arsenal should not be ran in such a way that it is humiliated this way. Enough is enough.

    Every regular on this site knows i have always been firmly on the arsene must stay camp. Tonight, I sadly throw up my towel there is no way that the manager can be absolved of blame for this disaster, given such persistent under performance from the squad, especially given that we spent around 100 million this summer to strengthen an already fairly strong squad. its no longer about the squad, for me, its now about how the squad is being prepared and deployed tactically and psychologically, and Arsene has failed on both front.

    I am of saddened by the result, hurting, but not depressed, and i wonder?….could it be because recent results has kind of conditioned me psychologically to cope (and half expect) disappointment?……sad!. In my wildest dream, never expected a loss of this magnitude, to bayern team that is actually not in form?, given their domestic league result?….shameful! sadly, i have to say it and it breaks my heart…….Time for a change!.

    Despite all this, Arsenal, I will love you till death. This is a temporary gloom in our history. We will rise again, and we will revenge. COYG!

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  44. I’m just so tired and embarrassed of this all.
    Been Wenger’s biggest supporter. Fuck what is on the other side. Let him go.
    Right now everything is better than this.
    Even losing big matches in a different way will be better than this shit.

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  45. Surely this is it? Game over from Arsene. Sad times but he has been left behind. He is not capable of managing a team to either league or European success any more.

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  46. This the end of the Wenger era. I think we won’t make top 4 this season and we don’t have unlimited funds like Chelsea to benefit from no Champions League. The board will also need to adapt to the modern management of a football club. Dire times ahead. We’ll probably suffer like Liverpool for some years but I’m sure we will pull through.

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  47. The best thing Arsene could do tomorrow is announce that he’s leaving and then all the fans could get behind him for the rest of the season and go for the FA Cup to see him off with a trophy.

    He’s done amazing things, not just in the last twenty years but for what he’s put in place for the years to come.

    Let him leave with dignity & don’t abuse him for the rest of the season, he doesn’t deserve that.

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  48. I once asked a Swiss friend why everyone hates Bayern and he said “because when they win they’re assholes and when they loose it’s everyone else’s fault” too true (and they are cunts) but I wish we had some of that.

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  49. Pathetic.

    We should play the team that started against Southampton the majority of the rest of the year. They may not be as “accomplished” but they have shown the desire and they clearly have the talent, however raw some of it may be. I’ve been meaning to make a comment about this for weeks, ever since after that match we went back to the “first team” and have been treated to sad displays ever since. I don’t care who’s getting paid what, if you don’t perform you need to sit.

    (“” inserted for obvious sarcasm)

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  50. That it – he is done. No way he will resign a contract again. And a point to all the people who say it too hard to replace him – that will have to be done eventually so why not know. Its not like Wenger is going to improve.

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  51. It is unacceptable. I am sorry. This has gone too far now. There is no reasonable explanation for him to extend his contract. We have become a laughing stock in Europe. We need a big kick up the arse from top to bottom. We are pathetic.

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  52. For the past few days in threads such as we’ve had people like Santori and Fustballer and a whole bunch of people telling anyone who dared to say maybe Ozil shouldn’t start this game to get talked down and voted down.

    The hype post Hull had people ignoring evidence, and there was the argument that “you always play your best players” ignoring tactics and the obvious weakness Ozil brings and “but he can provide moments of brilliance”.

    I’m just proud of the fans, who once again from people like Santori who criticised fans for being unhappy asking them to back the team and blaming the fans for our performance. The fans did their bit, but did the players and the manager? Heck no.

    Wenger once again started with 4-2-3-1, with Coquelin in. Ox, who had excelled past 3 games as a CM to make way for Ozil again to play in his favourite position with no actual specific tactics (whereas even a big team like Bayern specifically targeted our left side), and Wenger post-match talking about “you need a bit of luck” against big teams. Shows he’s not the tactical manager for the modern generation.

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  53. There are better teams out there, so why be surprised when the game is lost. The wailing and gnashing of teeth is fair enough when we lose to Watford, or draw with Bournemouth. Losing to Bayern is not really that hard a pill to swallow.

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  54. At this point, even some of us who are staunch Wenger supporters can see that this team needs something different. A spark, a new lease of life that will kick start it. We have changed players and Stadium but we are still the same fragile self. It’s no secrete now, the legend needs to retire now and allow someone else to move this team to another level. Thanks boss for your first 10 years at Arsenal and building us a new stadium and making sure we did not go bust. You have run your race and it’s time for other to take the helm now.

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  55. Bayern are to Arsenal what arsenal are to eat everton. If Arsenal want to compete against the elite teams major investment is needed.

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    • If we have given Theo Benjamin Button Walcott so much time then we should at least give Ox another season?

      He has more natural talent than Theo and its his best season for us so far. He gave away a goal but was hardly the worst player today.

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  56. Can we please, please, pretty please sell Coquelin, Gabriel and Walcott? So embarrasing..
    Yeah and also.. Time to go Wenger, see ya Özil.

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  57. If Wenger doesn’t resign at the end of this season then he really has turned into a deluded and arrogant old man.
    A disgrace
    He should be working with the club NOW to set in place the structure that the club needs to transition out of his reign.
    I’m sure most of you will agree with me that it’s not the result today in itself that is the porblem. It is the total ineptness, gutlessness and lack of competitiveness that is the issue

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  58. We were horrible against Watford & Chelsea. The ONLY player to come out of either game with any credibility was the Ox.

    What does Arsene do? Take him out of the middle & plays him on the right!!!

    Every time he has to make a brave decision he completely shits the bed. Rarely plays form players, preferring to take the safe option.

    We were never getting past Bayern – most of us had already accepted it. But to lose like that…again…

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  59. I cannot believe what I’ve witnessed tonight. Honestly the worst performance I’ve seen from an Arsenal team.

    They seemed to lack any sort of purpose. There was no collective game plan. There was not one individual on the pitch ready to take any sort of initiative?

    I feel sad for Wenger.

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  60. Again and again classic Arsenal today (especially Vs Big Team).

    AW is SHIT!!!
    Ospina just need good defensive backup.
    Bellerin really need improve his passing skills.
    Mustafi just need great CB partner.
    Koscielny … (why, why, why you’re injury).
    – Gabriel no matter CB or RB, cause he is SHIT!!!
    Gibbs no supports to attack.
    Coquelin bad attack bad defense bad shoot bad passing, whatever you want!
    Xhaka slow bad defense.
    Chamberlain just need team support.
    -Walcott weak mentality bad defense.
    Ozil weak mentality bad defense, he is the one destroying team!!!
    Iwobi bad defense.
    Sanchez just like he is playing alone, NOBODY support for him!!!!!!!
    -Giroud just slow.

    Other players? I just tired of typing..

    Alexis FC #KroenkeOut #WengerOut #OzilOut

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  61. I said it last year and got some down votes, but i’ll say it again.
    With Wenger in charge next season:
    Start the season well
    Have a bad november in the EPL
    Drop out of Champions league in February
    Start fighting for top 4 in April
    Finish the season in the top 4.

    Some things never change

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    • You just missed one important thing, apart from everything you said is true, and that is: no matter what kind of team we have (we changed the team radically from 2006) we are at the same point. Stars or not, kids or seniors, silvestre’s, eboue’s, squillaci’s, nasri’s, fabregas’s, and so on, everything is the same. Arsenal became a club that no money can help. And that’s the deep, deep essence. The Emirates should be empty till the end of the season. That’s a start!

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  62. Silent Stan owns five sports franchises, none of them win anything, but Stan makes a fortune from each of them, Stan has said he would be mad to spend enough to win EPL or CL… four keeps Stan rinsing AFC , £600 milion so far, didn’t spend a penny of his own money……thats what’s wrong with Arsenal.Only change if we get rid of the new owner silent Stan, only runs Arsenal financial corporation 🙈

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  63. On Bayern: so wrong to leave Elneny out for Iwobi and so bad luck with Kocielnys injury.

    My kids wouldn’t go with me to London this Winther to watch Arsenal. “They dont put in a fight anymore”. So I gave the tickets to my Nephew. His fiancee and best friend watched the Watford game.

    BTW I said No thanks to the Bayern tickets offered, but I will look forward to Sutton.

    I almost feel like a palestinian..

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  64. Ok fine, Arsene out.

    That said, does anyone really think that Klopp or Pep or whoever could make this team competitive with Bayern?? How many of our current players would walk into the Bayern team? Maybe Kos? Maybe Alexis? Maybe Ozil on a good day? Yes, a different manager might be able to limit the damage with different tactics, but over 2 legs we are still going out to Bayern 9 out of 10 times.

    I’m afraid a new manager just won’t make much difference. Unless and until the owner and board commit to doing whatever it takes financially, we will remain a second tier club. I just don’t see that kind of commitment happening under the current ownership, regardless of who the new manager is.

    Kronke out!

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  65. Turned off the TV after 4-1, got dressed and went out in the cold clear winter night with dark,dark thoughts.. My analytic part of the brain thought of why we can’t defend and why we don’t prepare? The Robben/Lahn play on the right is known to everybody, but obviously not us.
    The other part had only one starement. Arsène, its time to retire. The time of humiliation have to end.

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  66. Can anyone tell me why we have players on the edge of the penalty area when we have a penalty if they are not supposed to attack the box in case of a rebound? Watch the goal. Three players virtually motionless.

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  67. A lot of things went wrong today. Analyse it rationally & objectively and not emotionally. Emotionally I.mean blaming one person, Özil for the defeat. That is ridiculous.
    Yes Özil didnt have a chasing /tackling/ sliding game but we lost because of individual errors as well as poor performances by many players.
    Analyse the goals again. And look at how those players could have done better. We lost so many possessions fr Sanchez, Iwobi, Coq, Xhaka and most irritatingly Mustafi. His balls out from our half are always to opponents, even not under pressure.
    These lost of possesions up the field opened us up. Corners not cleared. Players coming into the box not marked.
    Alot of things went wrong. But please dobt blame everything on on man, Özil.

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  68. Well i was thumb down on the team news post when i commented whenger will unleish welbz perez giroud walcot elneny at the emirates to chace goals he knew that he will need them fresh that is why he saved them today.

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  69. Pathetic.

    We should play the team that started against Southampton the majority of the rest of the year. They may not be as “accomplished” but they have shown the desire and they clearly have the talent, however raw some of it may be. I’ve been meaning to make a comment about this for weeks, ever since after that match we went back to the “first team” and have been treated to sad displays ever since. I don’t care who’s getting paid what, if you don’t perform you need to sit.

    (“” inserted for obvious sarcasm)

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  70. I remember in the pas one night glory night of the CL the might Milan won 4-1 vs deportivo and in the 2nd leg depo smash them 4-0 we will do the same I’m sure of that.

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  71. As much as i love we ger it its time to let go know even if we have the best midfiled with messi alons alexis we will play the same shit.

    The players are going in this games with no belive and mind that they will lose same vs chelsea same vs bayern evem more scared that is why they wiped the floor with us.

    It is a big mentality prpblem in the team and it is not the players this is for 12 years know and i those years we changed many players and always have the same weak mentality problem even with the best team we have now in years, its is down to to the manager he is not in fault but he can’t change this mentality for years and it is time to bring new face fresh manager which will bring something new and maybe change the mentality of the team conte did it staight away we have to try it.

    It is not wenger fault as much as he is trying to change this mental prpblem and giving all the team is not responding and that is it.

    First summer of buisness by a fucking ball winner midfilder coq had some good preformances in the last few years but the boy has no talent and we need ruthless new manager by the ball winner mid if ozil and alexis leave replace them as the best posible replacment we can get and by a fucking left back.

    And change this fucking tactic or the shape of it.

    I would go for semeone we need somthing new and different if he wanta to come lets get him if not go for alegri but no tuchel we don’t need the same shit.

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  72. Cech – keep
    Ospina – keep
    Gibbs – sell
    Monreal – keep back up
    Kos – keep
    Holding – keep
    Mertasacker – keep
    Gabriel – sell
    Mustafi – sell
    Bellerin – keep
    Debs – sell
    Jenkinson – sell
    Iwobi – keep
    Ramsey – sell
    Coq – sell
    Carzola – keep
    Granit – keep
    Ox – keep
    Wilshiere – sell
    Eleney – keep
    Welebeck – keep
    Sanchez – keep
    Theo – keep
    Giroud – keep
    Perez – keep
    Ozil – keep

    4-2-3-1 formation – never to be used again.

    Wenger out. Allegri, Kidman or sampoli in.

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  73. That punch in the gut, just after you are fooled into thinking we have a chance by equalizing. Oomph. The only thing this group of wankers are good for, is making us fans lives so miserable. I really give this team my all, but I have decided to now stop until the necessary change is made. Change is needed and even if we are then struggling will mean we are at least trying to change things for the better. This is 10 plus fucking years of non stop same shit, mediocre bullshit, horseshit, Apeshit, duckshit and the players that are chicken shit.

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  74. I know it seems crazy but I wouldn’t clear out these players. They’ve lost faith in the manager. Hazard was a joke under Mourinho but now look. Yes these players respect Arsene but they don’t believe in him. It’s a fantastic squad not a shower of shit. A different manager could transform players like Gabriel, Ox and Ozil. They need a serious system. Serious pressure to perform in it. And serious preparation to do it. It’s over for Arsene not these players.

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  75. We will win the second leg 4-0!!!………….in my dreams……..
    Bayern are a better team than us…………coming from our shameless overpaid manager!
    Let the mugs keep funding his 8 million a year salary!………….next year, or maybe the next or 2020? yeah yeah yeah…………..delusion all round.

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  76. I’m sticking a tenner on Sutton.

    I’ll obviously be hoping for an arsenal win but winning a few bob should the unthinkable happen will at least help with my mood.

    Were that bad it sadly is a feasible result at this stage

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