Bellerin and Cech question Arsenal attitude

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Tactics? Team selection? Too much time off? Whatever the reason, Arsenal made another slow start in a big game and paid the price.

For Hector Bellerin, the 3-1 defeat at Anfield was all the more frustrating because it again underlined a lack of desire and motivation.

“We’re very frustrated with how the game went,” the Spaniard told Arsenal.com.

“After the tough weeks we’ve had, the team should have gone onto the pitch, motivated and ready from the start.

“In the first half it didn’t feel like we were ready and then we went 2-0 down. We wanted to do everything. We got one goal back and had a chance to make it 2-2, but sometimes it’s too late. We just need to start the games better.

“We need to realise that it’s just not the way to go. We need to push harder, to start the games with a better attitude and just go for it because we showed that when we go for it and want something, we can do it.

“It doesn’t matter about the other team, when we have the ball and push hard, we can score goals. It’s up to us to start the games with that desire, that motivation, and then we can get good results.”

It’s a worrying state of affairs when the players themselves admit their attitude on the pitch is not right. For Petr Cech, the fact that the Gunners lost duels across the pitch in the opening 45 minutes was particularly telling.

“We had a game plan and we had the players to execute the game plan,” the keeper told Arsenal Player.

“We didn’t have a game last week so we had time to prepare. Unfortunately, in the first 45 minutes, we didn’t match their intensity. When you lose the 50:50 duels, you make it harder for yourselves.

Cech added: “Believe it or not, it was the same game plan in the first and second half, we just executed it better after the break. We were more aggressive in the second half, played with more purpose and we started winning the 50:50 battles. That was the biggest difference between the two halves.

“It’s disappointing when you lose a game, but it’s more disappointing when you look at the two goals you conceded and you were not in danger. We had enough players behind the ball but we left the player free and they found the opening.

“If they outplay you in the situation and you can’t do anything about it, then fine, but we were very organised and we conceded which shouldn’t happen. We paid the price for that in the second half because we came back, scored the goal we needed, but unfortunately couldn’t equalise.”

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Sheffield Goon

Blogs mentioned in his blog today that he felt sorry for Arsene Wenger. I Agree. I’m not mad, just sad that things have gone so wrong for him. I think he is too stubborn to change. He has a belief and he sticks to it, but it no longer works in the modern game. This once great manager deserves all our respect, but I hope for his own sake that he decides to call it a day at the end of the season. I hope he is successful elsewhere too. But we are in a rut. A long term rut. And something has to change. I know we’re stuck with the owner, but with our squad, I do think another manager might be able to make a positive difference. It’s a very sad time for us all.

Gooner Kev

Yeah terrible rut, top 4 every season, champions league every season, 2 fa cups in the last 3 years. Lucky you don’t support a mid table team huh?

Me

For a club listed as the fifth richest in the world fourth is simply not good enough and the champions league plays out the same humiliating finale every season. This is not good enough – show some ambition..

SarcasmB0t

You got that wrong, pal.

It’s a shame YOU don’t support a mid-table team.

Arsenal shouldn’t be a team that settles for above average.

Stuck on repeat...

Gooner Kev – Say your statement with an American accent, from behind the worlds worst mustache, & you sound just like our idiot of a majority shareholder.

He couldn’t care less, & shows no interest, passion or ambition (for ANY of the teams he owns). I’m guessing your the same.

Karl M

Spot on and I’m afraid that Kroenke is actually a major part of the problem. Just a Google search of him shows an interview with him with the headline ” I didn’t buy Arsenal to win trophies”. That more or less says it all. While most owners will pump money in and make the manager accountable for result, Kroenke is happy to just let the money roll in and sees Arsenal as a pure long term investment and nothing more.

IamaGoober

Arsene Wenger has to go. It really is beyond repair now. I fucking love him. He’s given me so much joy over the last 20 years, but its time to draw a close to his Arsenal story.

He cannot continue sending us out like that in big away games. The team selection genuinely sucked the life out of me as I read it making my way into the ground. Dropping our best player (who is one of the best players in the League) in one of our biggest games of the season away from home is boarderline moronic.

Iwobi needs to be taken out of the firing line. There is a time and a place for young talented players getting a game, and Anfield away, when we’re on a shit run of form, is not one of them. If Ozil was sick, fine, you cant help that, but play Sanchez in that role, that would of 100% caught Liverpool out, or why not play Perez there? Or why not change the formation to suit what players we had available? If he wanted height, why couldn’t we of tried something like a 4511 with Danny playing off Giroud? Or just go balls out with the 442? There were surely so many other options he could of tried first, before coming to the conclusion that our best player needed to be dropped.

Then when the team finds some sort of rhythm, and we get a goal back, we’re starting to push Liverpool onto their back foot and Arsene makes two of the worst changes possible. He took off Danny and Oli just when they were really starting to make things happen and they were really starting to cause serious problems for Liverpool at the back. I couldnt believe what I was seeing. It felt as if I had taken crazy pills, it was fucking madness.

IamaGoober

Sorry that should of been 4411

Arsen4ever

Can’t reconcile your love for Wenger and wanting him to leave. The new fans are more of the problem with Arsenal. You pummel your team and coach season in, season out all in the name of love and you expect them to win. That happens only in Arsenal. Let’s see next season without Wenger. The tumble is just about to begin. Good luck to real go ones.

pajanee

We are the 5th richest football club in the world… that alone mean we should be more ambitious.

Si

I know right?? This shitty ungreatful “fans” they have the greatest boss in football and after one loss to Liverpool they talk shit and want him out. Which other team have been this successfull in recent years??we are always in CL amoung the best

Don Cazorleone

Always among the best. Never THE best.

Maul Person

You really think this is about “one loss to Liverpool”…? You know nothing, Jon Snow!

SMDH!

Buzzy Gurkha

I seriously dont give a damn about any premier league or champions league game.I wasn’t at all upset about Liverpool winning.I kinda Expected it.I will now only watch the FA Cup with interest as its the only realistic chance of a trophy.
I seriously dont know where the club is heading.Some One please enlighten me.

Alexis, Atom & Humber
Alexis, Atom & Humber

Good thing you mentioned the owner, because he seems to have escaped in all this Wenger criticism. Now I definitely feel Wenger has is part in our recent form but no one is really going on about Kronke and his team. I mean this is a man that has made a lot of money off Arsenal after becoming the largest shareholder. He practically did a leveraged buyout and using Arsenal’s cash to increase his equity value. He also takes money out of the club and rarely invests in the club and doesn’t really care about whether we win or not. Even if Wenger leaves (which I think he should) we would probably still have the same issues. Lets hope Krone goes too and sells to people who will care that Arsenal wins trophies.

btw

Nonsense about the owners. Yeah, they could show ambition in terms of press conferences, or by firing Wenger. But, we spent more than 90 million pounds last summer alone. Nobody was clamoring for signings this winter because the squad actually seems good enough, or it did in January. The bigger issue is that Wenger spent 90 million pounds on three players and I don’t think it improved the team one bit.

CechMate

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain – AW is the new Dark Knight! He is the hero we deserve but don’t need right now!

YabaDabaDude

Maybe not a coincidence that we play better once our least effective players come off?

max

True, but rewatch that first goal if you dare. The whole back four is bypassed with the most simple pass. Bellerin included. So basic.

Faisal Narrage

What can be said that hasn’t already be said?

Herewegoagain

Yeah, totally pi**ed off with players coming out saying “we’re going to go for it”, “we’re capable of winning this one” followed by “we should have been better at start/defensively/competitvely” then “we are capable of putting this right for the next game”.
Arsene moaning that lack of playing games was the cause instead of playing too many games is a first though!
He’s now talking more bollix than Moremoanio.

Arsen4ever

Have you ever given it a thought that fans are making the team nervous. And the team has gotten a new king in Alexis who is threatening the remaining cohesion in them. Some fans are doing more damage than Wenger, undermining the team and wanting them to succeed. It doesn’t work that way. These fans should get a grip. Never seen a team under so much pressure succeed. It’s not just Wenger, fans are also part of the problem. If Wenger goes, will the fans also go? Give the team breathing space and get behind them.

Flashmob

Yeah, well said!
The problem is: we fans would like to see change (change in attitude on the pitch, efficiency etc.). But those changes are connected to the real world, while our complains, outcry and frustrations “exist” only in “reality” of media, blogosphere, cloud and so on.

But the difference between the two was clear as noonday a couple of days ago when Chiliean fans were to march in favour of Alexis leaving Arsenal

14000 likes
vs.
8 participants 🙂

So maybe the change can starts “here” but until then – thousands of comments or millions of likes could easily be wrote or given without any perceptible influence “there”

215Arse

Question everything boys. From the ownership to the manager to the players. It’s a big shit sandwich.

Dawn

I’m sorry Arsene has to put up with shite from the press, the so called experts and the ridiculous goons who think they’re Gooners! Anybody would think we’re 5th from bottom! Get behind him and our team or get in front of true fans who I’m sure would gladly kick your sorry arses.

Gooner Kev

Totally agree, people just repeat the same drivel that not winning the championship is a failure when it is the most competitive it has ever been and spending money does not guarantee success. I’m guessing most of these fans don’t remember pre-Wenger days of coming 12 in the league.

Rob67

Sorry but that’s sententious nonsense. Some of us were here long before Wenger and we’ll be here long after he’s gone.

I am not interested that we’re better off than Leyton Orient or Sunderland. Believe it or not, we were before the ‘Sainted Mesiah’ arrived. It’s the difference between what we are capable of with our resources and what we are doing, that matters.

We should be making a fist of it in the EPL. We are not ; and haven’t been for years. If the CL is so important we should look like winning it once in a while. As it is Wenger has never won a UEFA trophy here or elsewhere. Yet curiously those forgotten men Mee and Graham did.

Wenger has had 21 years and he’s plainly stagnating in the job and the Club is going backwards. We need a fresh approach.

Arsen4ever

Trying to figure out the one going backwards between some fans and Arsenal. It’s only at Arsenal that fans choke their team and expect them to succeed. Can’t some people see that this constant pummeling is getting to them? Too much negativity about their team.

Me

People like you are the reason why Arsenal are so poor – always happy to drag out yesteryear to try and argue that we should be “grateful” for what we have. Times have moved on and Arsenal (and you) have not.
You are correct in one thing – spending money is not a guarantee of success but neither is repeating the same patterns every year and hoping for a different result as Wenger does.
Expecting Arsenal to win everything is unrealistic and unreasonable but to expect them to actually challenge is perfectly reasonable and Arsenal have not challenged – that’s the reality of it..

Rob67

Or alternatively, assemble 6 pm Avenall Road on Tuesday before the Bayern game, and join the march to the Armoury Roundabout, making it plain that Wenger should get no further contract extension.

Macho Nonreal

When is the more important ‘Kroenke-out’ march?

Arsen4ever

You have a new coach ready or you really don’t give a hoot? Just puss ed off about this kind of talk.

C j zinc

Tube to Euston, train to Manchester, coach to anfield in the pouring rain. 2-0 down at half time after having sung our hearts out. Walk to coach in pouring rain. Coach to Manchester. In crummy hotel by 10.30. Bus to Piccadilly station. Just on tube, almost home now.
I worked harder than any of the players in Arsenal shirts on that pitch yesterday.
Change definitely needed.

greg

You’ll be too busy head butting their stomachs though dawn

215Arse

You lot support the same piss for the last ten years, and it’s a massive part of the reason we’re in this situation.

clins

if you think only that the only the fans that support wenger to stay right now are true fans you are wrong my friend. i wont support people who booed and cursed wenger but the truth is they are actually right. and the result of every season shows that. we have a squad capable of much better things than top four and elimination round in champions league. a team that has worldclass players like sanchez , ozil , xhaka , mustafi , koscielny , a team that spends 100 million in last transfer alone should be doing much better than this. united under mourinho got their sh*t together in their first season alone, pochetinno and klopp are all buying poorer players than arsenal and are still ahead of arsenal in league table. clearly its not the quality of players or the money we spend that are hurting us . the problem lies solely on wenger and ineffectiveness to motivate the players or use the transfer budget well. and there is no other solution than a new manager.

Rosicky7egend

I’ve been pro-wenger for this entire decade, but my stance is finally changing. It’s the same old year in year out, again and again. After every horrendous performance, Arsene tells the media we should learn from our mistakes, but it seems like we never learn. 4th/5th place shouldn’t be enough when you spend 90mil on your squad, when a team who spent less than 5th of that won it a season ago.
I wouldn’t label myself as part of the #wengerout brigade, it sounds too crude and I still deeply respect the boss. I’m more of a #farewellwenger man.

SarcasmB0t

Yeah, you tell ’em.

We’re playing great! No, really!

The true fans will kick your asses if you think we can be better!

Surely, that game yesterday was pure perfection, and coming hot on the heels of that spectacular Munich result, really, we’re so spoiled.

Mathematically still in the title race, baby! Woo-hoo!

Art Vandalay

Well said Dawn.

Toure Motors

Unfortunate and disappointing have to be the two most used words in player interviews in the last five years. I’m sick to my hole of it.

Hi-brid

No offence to Bellerin personally, but I don’t understand why it’s a revelation that we have to put the effort in to win games. The question is why aren’t we doing it? And as for Cech, what “very organised” defence leaves a man completely unmarked at the back post twice in one half of football? This really is a pitiful state of affairs.

ClockEndRider

Hear, hear.
And Bellerin should be careful he doesn’t get used as the Denilson/Djourou media stooge to trot out meaningless platitudes after defeats. We could stomach them then but it’s so many years down the line it’s all ringing more than a little hollow.

David C

part that worried me the most is to hear Bellerin say we don’t have to worry about the other teams. That’s Wenger-talk right there. Of course we need to worry more about other teams and try to match some of them tactically. I’m not saying become a tinkerman and change formations all the time, but we need to match up to other teams/strategies at times. Leicester beat liverpool with quick movement through the middle…exactly what Sanchez would have provided. Must be more to this than we’re told…

Daniel

The Arsenal just need better players.We need midfielders still have not replaced Viera. Mightbe a new manager will sign world class players.

Shonky

F**k all this game plane rubbish.
We, as paying fans, want the REAL REASON WHY ALEXIS WAS DROPPED!!
I think Alexis has told Wenger he’s a complete idiot (which of course is quite true…) and was benched for disciplinary reasons.
Wenger then made himself look a total arse by having to ask Alexis to bail him and the team out of trouble!
An embarrassing end to Wenger’s career.

EZD

Come on, Arsene is not a “complete idiot”. What he’s doing isn’t working, it’s disappointing and it may be time for him to move on, but its a gross exaggeration to suggest he’s an embarassment.

After he stuck with us through the lean years, I really hoped he’d be able to enjoy some success using the additional money after the stadium debt reduced. It was only right that he got that chance.

But the fact its the fourth season since Ozil joined and the pursestrings were loosened, and we haven’t come close to challenging for the league (always not even in contention by March) with all the same failings, makes me thing we should try a change, even with the risks/uncertainty that brings. But he’s still a very good manager who’s been great for us, and he deserves respect. I just don’t think it’s likely he will improve us from where we currently are, it seems the players don’t respond to him the way they used to.

Shonky

I respect your opinion.
But Wenger WAS a good manager….but not any more.
He is a deluded dinosaur that thinks the teams weaknesses and repeated mistakes will just somehow ‘go away’….

Arsenal is my life

I think they are complacent , I never used to moan , but theres no fight in them , gutless, soft and we make every team look like 1970 Brazil

Runzac

Hard to be a Gunners fan these days. Really tough. Wenger is in his balloon filled with beautiful football with the end results lacking and the players have lost faith in his stubborness not to adapt to the results way of playing football. A little bit boring to watch but with better results at the end of the day. His philosophy has finally gone to shambles and I think it´s down to the players who just dont believe in it longer. He has to swallow his pride, adapt, get results even in ugly ways – or leave.

I am afraid though that it will be some of our best players that will leave and we will be competing in the Euro League next season. I´m going to follow my team and watch every game even if the goings get tougher. COYG

ruelando

Arsenal are in a nasty slump at the moment and due to the fragility of our players confidence its difficult to come out off.

I saw nothing wrong with the selection of the players, i would have rather seen alex starting however the plan in using to big men up top seemed like a good idea, we were set up for direct football, counter attacks and crosses to the big men.

We actually started brightly, but then liverpool keeper sent a long kick forward and about 4 touches later we were one to nil down, then all crap broke loose liverpool got confident and arsenal whatever idea they started off with went out the door

I will say this over and over arsenal does not play to Giroud strengths, if he is going to be used, use tactics that will get the best out of him.

even with our poor performance i still think we could have left liverpool with a point

Lord Hall

It’s pretty gutless in comparison to other top four contenders
Arsene mate – time to fuck off with thanks

James Reihill

Regarding Alexis I think this is one of those situations where we probably aren’t privy to the full story. I love the guy but it looks like he wants to leave. Moreso His body language/petulence has been a disgrace at times- only excused because he is our best player. I suspect the manager was asserting his authority And it may make sense if we knew the background. No player is bigger than the club and I have more affinity to guys who want to play for us.
Also this isn’t some blind defence of arsene. It is clearly the end of the road for him.

pajanee

Could not sleep last night. Still cant get that defeat out of my head. The way the players played especially in the first half i do ask myself whether they really care about the club.

Arsenal is my life

There’s nothing to us anymore, I mean I don’t want go on about the Henry days (class) but we could take anyone on? now were crap. I’m shit myself bout Tuesday night I no were out but I’m ARSENAL, we’re turning in to 7/8 place shit

anteneh

Same manager, same soft players, same tactics or none for that matter, same results. This manager nor the players we have match the hunger and ambition of Alexis.

Arsenal is my life

I with u 100% I’m ARSENAL all the way but same old ! That’s not even a good Liverpool team yet , omg I cloud cry

Arsenal is my life

Omg I can’t even spell 😭

Paul

Every could has a silver lining. 🙂

Arsenal is my life

Lol Paul just seen ur post!

mpls

That’s a sliver lining, by the way.

Conchetumadre

The squad don’t believe in Wenger anymore.
Alexis loves Arsenal but knows the season is lost, therefore he’s happy with scoring and assisting.
Wenger’s tactics have and will not work anymore.
The talent is here. But we need a new leader in this team.
Thank you AW. You have done good for Arsenal.
But like a book, this is the end.

pajanee

For all those people who think after wenger the transition will be though….yeah maybe, but 2 Fa cups in 12 years…it really cant get worst

Jess

Arsene wenger showed the future of arsenal to the bosses who think their money is sames as it was 5 years ago and reluctant to pay the fair wage to their star men. If they think they can get top class players like sanchez and ozil under 200 k a week, they must’Ve been sleeping. Why any world class players should join arsenal if they could not get hold of whom they have? We saw what Arsenal looks like withought both of them yesterday–a headless chicken dancing in circles.

greg

It’s like they weren’t playing!

Becoming more evident that the players are not playing for the manager. Not too dissimilar to Leicester situation

santori

Yeah but he also leaves them high and dry.

They look lost at times when simple directives from the bench would have suffice to put it right.

We’ve seen how certain teams can change with simple adjustments.

Point in case the recent return to form of Leicester since Ranieri’s sacking. Shakespeare didn’t rewrite the play. He made some simple readjustments (back to basics that worked for them) and they are a different team.

Arsenal is my life

Sorry guys I’m on one now! We have alot of money to spend, not saying that’s the answer, but we r big team! 4 fuck sake that’s our club, we’re Arsenal what’s the fuck going on! Same old shit sticking up for them every Monday morning! Making players like deacon look like maradona FOR FUCK SAKE WHY!!!!!!!

santori

The technical level of the league has changed over the decades.

When Wenger first started, he had market knowledge/monopoly on foreign players. In fact that was a bit of a rabid allergy to foreigners as espoused by the press then.

Now there are foreign players AND managers right down the ranks. Its become more competitive with the TV money aside from the entrance of two debt financed teams.

The edge which Arsene once enjoyed has eroded even if we can afford to spend higher on players these days (thanks to his stadium move)

This means a lot more comes down to tactical nous.

Whilst Wenger has never been an entire mug in this department, he can be suspect. In the current less forgiving environment, there is less room for the sort of errors he makes.

That he has been able to retain the high MINIMUM finish standards over 2 decades despite is remarkable.

BUT it is only getting more competitive with the sort of managers entering the fray this season.

He’s not going to learn new tricks and I’m not sure he can compensate sufficiently with buying well in market as he has done over two decades so the writing is on the wall.

The question now is how to manage a transition.

If we panic, we may set ourselves back further 3 to 4 seasons.

If he fails his minimum standard, I think the risk on someone new coming in in the summer is less.

But if he can keep the standard despite failings, it may be sensible to have the next season be his last and prepare the ground for the successor come 2018.

This will save him a bit of face and allow the board to put things in better place for the next manager. It may also allow us better time line to court the successor. 2018 Wcup will precipitate a shuffle in management so it may make better sense to have more choices.

Canador

2018 is too long time. Any change has to happen this summer.

Arsenal is my life

Who ever gave me thumbs up I love u! Lol im pissed up gunner wondering why…………..

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“We need to realise that it’s just not the way to go. We need to push harder, to start the games with a better attitude and just go for it because we showed that when we go for it and want something, we can do it”

– Dear Hector, it’s not us (the fans) that you need to convince. Also, I’m pretty sure that you (the team) actually know this too. The problem is your not doing this despite week in week out talking about it. THAT’S what causing the fans to worry…

Arsenal is my life

I not a wenger out/in band wagon but I’m a gooner whos had anuff of falling apart every feb/march

Mbaki

Things always get overblown..we badly need some perspective. Defeat was disappointing, position in the league is realistic. We played with hope of getting 2nd spot with a win. We suddenly can’t become sh* by moving down to 5th. I don’t secod guess lineups. This was not about us going forward but our defending midfield down. We simply just can’t close players down. I counted the times Liverpool players managed to turn with the ball with one of us already behind him. That should never happen not at that rate.

Samuel Ogungbayi

I had earlier told Arsenal faithful so that the problem with Arsenal is the manager but his loyalists were telling us what he achieved 2 decades ago .
The truth is that Wenger can no longer cope with the tactical ingenuity of the younger coaches and managers.He also does not prepare his team well physically ,tactically and mentally. Arsenal has good players with many internationals and ex-internationals but Wenger does not know how to get the best out of them. People should stop insulting the players,but the Manager. To exemplify, what caliber of players does Watford parade in comparison to Arsenal that they beat us 2-1 in F.A.Cup last season and beat us 2-1 this season in EPL ? Both matches were played at the Emirates stadium.
The latest excuse for the Liverpool defeat by Wenger is that we lack competition since we played last about 2 weeks ago! Hear , hear ,hear the Wenger theory ! It is that when a team has time to prepare for a match and not choked with matches ,the team will play poorly . Can you beat that? Arsenal fans should check the records,: Wenger has lost ALL 3 last opening matches of the EPL all played at home in the last 4 seasons!
Wenger has lost the plot ,let all Arsenal fans appeal to him to go so that Arsenal can progress. Past achievements should not be an excuse for enlongation of the agony of the fans.

santori

Its not the poast achievements which recommend his retention.

His consistency finishing at a high MINIMUM level of CL and potentially FA cup for 2 decades sees him as less of a risk than the unknown.

It could get even worse if we panic buy the wrong manager and it may set us back another 3 to 4 empty seasons.

What’s certain is he is leaving sooner than later but we have to manage the transition lucidly.

If there is a better selection 2018 than this summer (bc of WCUP managerial reshuffling) then a transition season as his last season may be on the cards as a logical choice to prepare the ground properly.

BUT if he tanks and falls below his MINIMUM level (Not to mention no St Totteringham’s day which is a distinct possibility), then it may be that the risk in retaining him for an extra season out weigh any benefits.

You need to be more textured with your views.

People are not trumpeting his past achievements (should not) as recommendation for his retention.

santori

They keep saying the same sweet nothings.

We need to learn from our mistakes. Nah.

We need to start quicker. Nah.

We need to not let the manager down. Nah.

It was quite obvious the set up was all wrong (missing Alexis aside).

1) We were defending too narrow affording Liverpool space to overload our fullbacks (for BOTH goals).

I mentioned before we needed to tweak our relationship in midfield. Granit should have been sat in an advance tip of a triangle with the Cbacks leaving both fullbacks a bit more space to push wider.

2) Wide men were too far up field. BOTH Ox and Welbeck needed to get closer to the fullbacks during the defensive phase. An order issued from the bench would have made a difference instead of the wasted efforts shouting at the 4th official.

3) Coquelin should not be played flat next to Granit. As mention Granit is better right in front of the Cbacks rotating in esssence in a 4-1-4-1.

Coquelin is better closer to the AMid (in this case Iwobi) patrolling aggressively higher up.

As is the alternate (forced upon because we neglected sufficient cover in the summer) in the Ox did a decent enough job second half balancing between going forward and covering Granit.

Agree as well that we are carrying too many ‘inexperienced’ players for the occasion, particularly went hings go pear shape.

For this reason would have preferred Lucas starting (aside from Alexis of course, whom I though we may have tried in the hole).

And why he pulled Welbeck off is beyond me. Danny made a number of mistakes but clearly was an effective force going forward and creating problems for them. I would have ventured to argue that if Giroud could carry on, I would have been tempted to keep him as the apex too since Liverpool were susceptable to crosses (something we failed to deliver in sufficient numbers despite obvious shortcoming on their part)

For a manager of his breath of experience, Wenger is shockingly naive.

As mentioned, the issue is he is an idealist. Time and time again, he fails to make sufficient pragmatic decisions during a game that could help influence the outcome. Bould does not help.

Blitz Bailey

Arsene Wengers stats against other top clubs are pretty grim reading, When he was successfull he managed the hands down strongest squad in the league, possibly Europe. People can point the finger at the owner and the board all they want but Wenger is the first man to come to their defence and he wholeheartedly agrees with how the club is run strictly as a business and not as a football club. He agreed to sell our best players to our direct rivals only because they paid a couple mill more than foreign optioms and that is good for business, but not so great for our chances competing in the league.

They talk about debt, we need to pay our debt, but the club is valued at 2 billion and our debt is 200mill which is approximately the same we have in cash reserves. I have a debt of 80% the value of my house but i can manage it just fine, Arsenal have a debt of 10% the value of the club which is basically nothing and we have the cash reserves to cover it if we wanted to so basically we are debt free. We could spend a shit ton of money on this club if we wanted to and the banks would be more than happy to fund us just like they do United, Barcelona and Real Madrid who all got huge debts but nothing they cant handle and still have cheaper tickets than Arsenal. The difference those other clubs have an ambition to be successfull and compete for trophies while Arsenal and Kroenke couldn’t care less about trophies but happy with consistently making a profit.

And i think it just a shame Wenger defend him at every turn, He would be a hero to all supporters if he fought for the club to be more ambitious, but he wont.

santori

Bellerin was piss poor on the day.

Cech could have been better.

City, Spurs, Liverpool (even United) are on an upward trajectory.

We are getting left behind by the peloton never mind the leader.

The gaffer is as usual suspect with his tactical options but the players themselves have little excuse.

Hairdryer. Someone buy one.

Arsenal is my life

I read alot of u guys posts, rants texts most are right surely wenger/board investors no!!!? Wtf is going on! I’ve had anuff

santori

It looks evident that the gaffer himself is losing his own fight.

I don’t think he now thinks he can take this ship any further.

Its likely a question of transition sooner than later.

He looks a broken man TBH. Its sad.

Diarra

We subbed our worst player, Coquelin, off and replaced him with our best player, Sanchez. Simple as that.

Coquelin has been so poor in that new role that would rather see AML or the Jeff get a run in the starting eleven.

UpNorth

My position vs Wenger is clear, it’s time to resign, but I also support Bellerin’s statement that there’s too many players out there who fails miserably when it comes to attitude. Look again at the first half, players who have a clear shot to win duels, but either don’t bother or fake it. Jump with the back first into aerial duels and dont take the defensive runs home. You see the midfielder walking back 15 meters from an unmarked Liverpool player and don’t give a shit. Easy goals are easy goals because somebody don’t do the job.
And it’s not rocket science, you learn this as kids.

Paul

What I will say is, was it far easier in the second half to win the fifty/fiftys as Poo had a cigar on?

Paul

There is no point in arguing for Wenger to stay.
He will be going within the next two years anyway, so there is no reasoned argument for him not to go at the end of his contract.
What difference will two years make?
Love you Arsene but all things come to an end.
COYG.

RedArrow

I know that Kroenke doesn’t inspire much confidence however we have spent more under him than any previous owner. Wenger has bought each and every player in the team. I realise that it’s harder to find talent on the cheap but other teams have managed it Leicester being a case in point. In terms of tactics I think Conte has shown that you can have a serious plan b and achieve success. So whilst Arsene has been great and deserves his place in Arsenal hall of fame, he is not currently (or for the past decade) been a great manager. Hope we can get a new manager who can give the players some specific roles and tactics and instil some purpose and a never say die attitude.

Paul

I have said it time and time again. We have forgotten how to pass and move.

Arsenal is my life

I’m so gutted we r arsenal…. which I love…. who are slowly becoming fuck all….

Goonersmurf

OziL. Sanchez. Bellerin. Xhaka. Koscielny. Leave while you can.

Leon

What bothers me about wenger is his arrogance he never takes the blame for his lack of tactics and failures. It is always the players,the pitch,the refs,Mr blogs dog etc. Anyone but him.

Shank

Cant wait for the team selection Tuesday. We are now the butt of all the jokes.
It would be amusing if it wasnt so fucking sad.

Frankie

It’s time for an aggressive change of tactics….. Time to close down and press like our lives depended on it and counter attack like jumping from a sinking ship…..

As for the 1st half against Liverpool we were far to stand offish and static, you won’t win the ball back playing like that, second half we attempted to close down, so there is no way in a million years we had the same game plan for both halves…

If you want a happy Alexis that’s the way to play. You can understand his frustration watching all his team mates apart from welbeck standing around waiting for Liverpool to cheaply give up possession……

If we do that and still lose I won’t have no complaints and will watch every Arsenal game with a childhood smile.

Come on you gunners…….

okorosha ibekwe

Hahaha. Now I hear Cech and Bellerin question Arsenal attitude after Liverpool thrashing. I ask: who are these ‘Arsenal’?Me, rats in the bush, or chickens in the poultry? So, now if we remove Bellerin, Cech and the greatest player in the world ever, Sanchez from the team we have 8 half baked incompetent jokers who make up the Arsenal team. Pls let’s get serious.

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