Club release statement on Arsene Wenger’s future

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Having not heard a word from majority shareholder Stan Kroenke or Chief Executive Ivan Gazidis during what has been a difficult time for the club, Arsenal have wheeled out figurehead Chairman Sir Chips Keswick to make a statement about the future of Arsene Wenger.

The 77 year old took over from Peter Hill-Wood in 2013, and his position at the club is largely honorary with Gazidis very much the right-hand man of Stan.

The manager is under serious scrutiny after a Premier League campaign in which the title challenge fell apart in the space of two weeks, and a 10-2 aggregate defeat to Bayern Munich which saw us go out of the Champions League in the Round of 16 for the seventh successive season.

And in a statement on the official website, he said:

“We are fully aware of the attention currently focused on the club and understand the debate. We respect that fans are entitled to their different individual opinions but we will always run this great football club with its best long-term interests at heart.

“Arsène has a contract until the end of the season. Any decisions will be made by us mutually and communicated at the right time in the right way.”

Earlier, Wenger said he would be influenced in some way by fan protests when it comes to deciding his future this summer.

And while the statement provides little clarity, it feels like another layer of insulation for Kroenke and Gazidis, who have been conspicuously silent over the last few months.

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Lula da Gilberto

Bleurgh.

IamaGoober

What really bugs me about that statement is:

‘We will always run this great football club with its best long-term interests at heart.’

That’s nonsense, because if you genuinely cared about where this club was going, since moving to The Emirates over 10 years ago, you surely would of turned Arsenal into a European super club like Munich, Real, Barca by now, but you haven’t done it. You were happy enough to just sit their and take the money whilst Arsene worked his nuts off, ruining his own legacy in the process, to just get us Champions League football every year with nothing more then a hilariously bang average squad of players.

All you’ve ever cared about is money, hence we are where we are. And now none of you have the decency to save Arsene from himself, and whys that? Because he makes you all truck loads of cash at our expense.

Jokers.

Coquelin's 3rd leg

Absolutely nailed it.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

“Arsène has a contract until the end of the season. Any decisions will be made by us mutually and communicated at the right time in the right way.”

Doesn’t he have a contract untill end of NEXT season. If I am right, then that signals that the board agree with the fans.

IamaGoober

No his contract finishes at the end of this season.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

Great news!!

PFo

Too drunk to be aware of even the most basic information about what’s happening at the club at the moment.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

I know, I blame it on the drinking. But then again if the manager was not so inept and the team didn’t keep getting embarrassed in every big game, I would probably not have had to drink so much!

Patrik Ljungberg

Get a grip on yourself. Get sober, for a change.

Goonabear

I think the owners opinion and the fans opinion of the best interests of the club are a million miles apart. Remember they aren’t football fans. How often do you see them at the games? All they care about is the bottom line, which is why Wenger has lasted so long.

LadyGoon

I fucking love this. You’ve got it spot on mate

AFL

LamaGoober, mate you nailed it to the very essence in few sentences!
Makes me freakin’ furious that those cowards haven’t had the decency to make sure Arsene goes into the football history as one of the greatest managers this game ever had.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

… and how would they do that exactly?

Set Wenger’s tactics for him so he doesn’t lose every game that really matters?

Take over the management of the team from Wenger during UCL Rd of 16 games?

By not making him the 4th highest paid manager in the world?

1fromcali

how about letting him buy the necessary players that he needs to compete against the BM and Barca.

How about increasing this stupid wage scale they use for the club to compete with tier 1 clubs

Patrik Ljungberg

Still not sober?

John

So ficking true

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

You really feel Wenger is blameless in all this! I am sorry but what are you having a go at the board for. Sure they may have their faults, but the only on field related thing they are guilty of his not sacking Wenger years ago.

Wenger trains the players, Wenger sets up those inept tactics, Wenger decides what players to bring in, Wenger is the one who has left inconsistency and mediocrity flourish among his players.

#WengerOut

Bould's Eyeliner

You think that Wenger has ever had a full purse to work with since ’03-’04? He’s always worked within a budget, and its in his managerial philosophy to do so. The board, fully knowing this, have failed to make funds available for better transfers. All of their ambition went to the Emirates, which in the end resulted in shit deals from Nike for years and a mortgage we could scarce afford. These are not decisions Wenger makes, but rather the board. Wenger is certainly not blameless, but they are sure as hell responsible for a great number of things, not just deciding on a manager.

Sorry, but to assume the same is to vastly underestimate the role of a board at a conglomerate entity valued in the hundreds of millions. Both are equally culpable for a great number of things, but are also responsible for envisioning a change for the future of the club in the long-term. So far, every gamble we have tried since moving to the Emirates (and these decisions are ALWAYS gambles) has more or less failed to deliver results as fans want to see them–to say that those risks were taken by Wenger alone and that he is responsible for them is to take a too simplistic view of a massive problem.

This club certainly needs change, but to play the blame game requires looking more than just where the buck stops, but why decisions failed to come to fruition in the first place.

Arsenal has a big problem, and it’s not really Wenger. It’s more so based in the fact that currently, there is a discrepancy in what the fans and the board are envisioning–how we define success seem to be very different things.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

Have you seen the rich list. City and Chelsea are ranked lower than Arsenal and yet Arsenal keep getting blown out of the water by those teams.

Also just look at the Kante and Xhaka transfer fees. Both came for around 45 mil EUR. Wenger just bought the wrong player. Even when money is available he doesn’t seem to spend it well.

He has repeatedly refused to buy a holding mid when the team was so desperate in need of one. Arsenal have spent many seasons with just 1 striker. One season was spent with just 3 central defenders.

Bould's Eyeliner

The Deloitte money league, accounts for revenue and valuation of a club. Has nothing to do with the assets of the owner that are often used to inject cash into a club. Please look at the information before unilaterally deciding that 45 million should be chucked this way or that way.

If there was any victory that the Arabian oil sheikhs and Russian oligarchs won, it was not their purchases or trophies; it was instilling in the public this belief that ‘bigger is better’. They throw whatever it takes to get what they want, and fans have begun to learn to love this sort of performance. Wenger and Arsenal have been decrying this sort of practice, and we on this site have also been decrying this ‘transfer’ business, etc. They won the league when they made people stop believing in the fact that football is a team sport, and that its stars are all that matter. Because that’s where the money is made, and that’s how Walcott still strings us along for a ridiculous salary–the value of a player’s media presence is only furthered by his price tag. Kante isn’t a solution. Neither is Xhaka. These are two different players, that work in different systems, and will have different levels of effectiveness. You say Xhaka is a comparative failure, yet we’ve barely seen him play for half a season, and most people were extremely happy that we got him over Kante just a few months ago. Not to mention that when Kante was on the market in the first place, everyone said Coquelin was better.

What’s the common theme in all these opinions? The analysis looks at individual players only, but the CDM position is anything but individual. It requires strict and careful balance with CAM options, and is something that bridges the defensive spine to the attacking front. All common sense football knowledge. So why are fans so eager to find lightning rods? It’s easier. It’s also mentally lazy. And it’s why we’re entitled to be fans, but not managers. Get over it.

Futsboller

Yikes, Too Drunk indeed. City are above us and Chelsea *just* below us in the money league, but they are bankrolled by some serious filthy lucre, meaning their owners pour millions into the club to enable it to spend well outside their revenue stream. And if we’re going on this year’s matches, we didn’t get “blown out of the water” by City and Chelsea – we lost 2-1 to City at their end, and we destroyed Chelsea 3-nil before losing badly 3-1 in the return.

Kante has a single role in the sides he’s played in, and he’s very damn good at it; but I don’t know if he’d have the same success in an Arsenal lineup without Cazorla beside him. Xhaka has had a rough first year in the PL, no thanks to his reputation preceding him and refs claiming the reward on his wanted posters, but he’s going to be one hell of a football player for Arsenal, and he’s shown us glimpses of that already.

And really, are frackin’ taking the piss out of all us by saying Wenger doesn’t spend money well?!

1fromcali

this is for the drunk

you really think City and Chelsea are using the same economic model as Arsenal is? They have owners who want to win trophies while Arsenal owner makes sure the club is sustainable first.

Who is to say Kante was even available when Xhaka was acquired?

AP

With luck, you will change your label to ‘Drunk, Drove & Died’.

Bould's Eyeliner

Although we may disagree with his statements, there’s really no need to wish death upon anyone about football, least not all a fellow Arsenal fan….

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

Ah thats the thing. I am not a total retard. I don’t drive! 😀

Crash Fistfight

So calling a fellow poster a bad name is not within the site rules but suggesting it would be nice if a fellow poster would die is?

Patrik Ljungberg

Too drunk: Are you getting a backhand from the board? Spending it on cheap booooze?

Gooooooooooooooooona

Anyone have Gazidis’ number that can screen shot this and send it to him???

GoonerN16

Yes Goober you are absolutely right. …

Jake Cummings

Totally agreed with you mate, well said. I’m an Arsenal fan, and it’s a disgrace to see how we are struggling, even Spurs is doing better than us. My heart bleeds.

Titia Emmanuel Adriko
Titia Emmanuel Adriko

My friend you are overreacting. Things have changed. Some of the clubs that have changed coaches and spent lots of money on players are not far from us.We are operating in a tough league. It is no longer possible for one club to dominate. We were number two last season which wasn’t so bad I think. Our time is surely coming. Chasidim Arsen will never be the solution.I wish we calmed down.

nduhiu

Smart and precise.

Ed

I find it surprising that anyone actually disagreed with this post. I am very much a Wenger supporter but he’s being left out to dry by his club hierarchy…

siserio

He should walk,then.

It Is What It Is

Exactly….if they thought he was under achieving, or was negatively affecting “business”, they would have terminated his contract, or simply not renewed.

Any protests should be directed at the right individuals.

When the players and manager move on, we’ll be left with the real problem.

Wage structure won’t change…why would it?

Targets won’t change, as they are respectable club objectives.

Ticket price increase will probably continue in a transitional period.

Wonder if the Sultan of Brunei is into football…

We need an owner with a larger purse and genuine interest in football (not necessarily interest in Arsenal, however, that would be preferable to me).

Kroenke’s cash and Nationality, trumped Usmanov so easily.

Bottom line is, with Arsenal being the Arsenal I love, we do everything a different way. Coaching and managerial positions are seemingly up for grabs, but real change in ownership is what would save us from the tortuous, repetitive, and predictable collapse that the current board is used to, and honestly, never used to happen.

Kroenke is accepting of the quality gap that is globally known, and is highlighted every February.

Doesn’t seem to bother him or influence his assessment of our performance against our targets.

Shit is fucked up.

Mein Bergkampf

“What’s mr chips up to? Come on, say what you see…”
“Is it ‘toeing the line’?”
“That’s riiiiight!”

Bennis Dergkamp

very good

Crash Fistfight

Here’s something to wile away a few minutes – look up ‘Catchphrase Snake Charmer’ on youtube.

Mein Bergkampf

Or watch any compilation of ‘TV’s most shocking moments’ from the turn of the century to the present day…

Wenger's Pony

One sensible reason why people want AW to stay: the rest in charge at the club are clueless. Scary times.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

In case you haven’t noticed, Wenger has been the most clueless off them all recently.

Can’t set up a team to play well in a game that matters or against a proper team.

PFo

1. Oh is that how this management lark works then? When the “games that matter” roll around, you “set up a team to play well”? That’s genius! Why didn’t I think of that! You should take over for Arsene, mate.

2. The word is ‘of’.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

Sure beats the lark of when games that matter roll around your prepare a side that rolls over on the pitch.

Arsenal have not won the league in 12 year.

Now correct the grammer on year to years and see if it makes you feel any better.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

Also burying your head in the sand and pretending that the rot and decline doesn’t exist is not how supporting works either.

Dawn

*grammar* look up ‘decline’ in the dictionary before using it goon!

spinner

Dawn, why are you claiming it’s not a decline? People just won’t take you seriously.

DB10s

You are not entirely wrong but what’s scary i suppose is to have this very board select the next manager. Who knows what their criteria is.

Is it to penny pinch and get an unknown manager on the cheap? Or is it to get a world class manager and pay him Wenger’s old salary?

Beyond that, is the board going to fully support the manager in the transfer market? Or are we going to have those long drawn out transfer sagas where we decide to pay 1quid over a release clause or spend the whole summer chasing a player only to loan him out forever. But I guess we will never know unless we risk it.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

@Dawn, I think you need to look up decline more than I do.

Patrik Ljungberg

Too drunk: football, please.

Gooooooooooooooooona

We should be scared tho. We have the money to get it right. If the board don’t know what to do, they’ll probably hire consultants to get recommendations on how to get the transition right.

My personal preference, get Allegri or Ancelotti (or someone as experienced with the same tactical flexibility and authority), get Henry, Viera, (or any other one of our legends trying to get into management) as assistant manager. Marc overmars as Technical director, Pirez Sporting Director, and Dennis Berkamp head of our Yourh Academy. Yes maybe there are more qualified people but it’s important to have football minded people at the club, but more importantly to have people that love Arsenal at the club.

1fromcali

I think everyone that is on the staff loves Arsenal. This idea of having to hire someone with Arsenal ties is a joke. Its like a sports version of incest.

It don’t matter whom you hire as a manager when the owners primary goal is to be sustainable. I truly feel with all the faults that AW has we’ve been lucky to have him this past 20 plus years. Only reason he gets paid what he does is because he’s been here for 20 plus years. I don’t think Arseanl would hire a expensive manager.

Do you really think we could hire a manager of Pep or Ancelotti with this owner? same owner who’s NFL experts hired relatively unknown OC to coach his Rams.

Jokerekoj

I sense a return to the old days when you had to worry about the position in the table of West Ham or Sp*rs (unless the club is bought by some oligarch or sheikh).

Enjoy it. You certainly deserve it.

Pooner

I wonder what would be unacceptable for Stan. Would he care if we fell out the top 4? Or only if it became a regular occurrence? When Wenger leaves how does Stan intend to maintain the consistency he so loves? Given that it’s usually a 6-way fight for the top 4 these days (and the increased competitiveness of the rest of the league) it seems unlikely that, without a manager with such a total guiding force as Wenger, a conservative, hands-off ownership approach will secure even CL football, let alone see us truly compete. Will there come a point at which the only way to achieve the relative success of top 4 and maintain the revenue he’s in it for is to become more like the clubs around us? Will he find that acceptable?

franzsigel

But will the Revenue really drop that much if the “New normal” would be between Third and eight Place?

The Champions League isn’t as relatively lucrative as it used to be.

The sad fact is that it might be a very sensible decision business-wise to avoid the ecconomic risk involved in fighting for the top prizes. And Kroenke is a business-man…

Pooner

Well, shit. That’s the nightmare – Stan allows us to drift into mediocrity without any recourse to oust him. In that case all the efforts of Wenger, Fiszman etc to build the new stadium, all the years of transition and ‘austerity’ will not have been to make us competitive with Europe’s top teams but to do nothing more than line the pockets of a parasitic American billionaire.

IamaGoober

Stan doesn’t care at all, like none of his US sporting franchises win anything at all. Anyone can correct me if I am wrong, but I am fairly sure the only one of his teams that have one a Championship (recently) was The Denver Nuggets and that was back in 2010…

We are going nowhere with him in charge.

Gunnerflatter2dcv

Dunno what Kronke teams have won anything.. the nuggets have barely made the playoffs in the last 20 years and have only once made it to the conference semi-final in the last 20 years never Winning anything .. I don’t think he owns the Avalanche who won two Stanley cups early in the 2000s. Bottom line for kronke is cash not trophies

Gunnerflatter2dcv

Mate, Dunno what Kronke teams have won anything.. the nuggets have barely made the playoffs in the last 20 years and have only once made it to the conference semi-final in the last 20 years never Winning anything .. I don’t think he owns the Avalanche who won two Stanley cups early in the 2000s. Bottom line for kronke is cash not trophies

kokafalasi

I’m afraid the Nuggets haven’t won anything in the NBA. In 2010 they topped their division but that amounts to exactly nothing other than guaranteeing home court advantage in the first round of the playoffs. Eventually they lost in that first round in 2010, btw.

George the Gooner

Exactly right. It’s business first. It just so happens that we play football too.

PFo

That last sentence is, sadly, already the case. How the shareholders let that snake in the door to take control of the club, I’ll never know. Did they not have a look at his teams in the US? Did they just prefer him over Usmanov because, let’s be honest, Brits prefer Americans over Russians?

Buy Curious

Stanley Enos Kroenke was named after two St Louis Cardinals baseball stars. He bought the St Louis Rams and moved them to Los Angeles (where, admittedly, they had been in their past). His first, second, and third interest in Arsenal is as an investment. Any decision he makes will be based on that. There will be no loyalty for the greatness of Arsenne Wenger, nor punishment of him for failing to win trophies. Kroenke’s ownership approach is saddening for any fan of a team as whichever side we are on, we are there because we want the team to be successful on the pitch. We are here due to our hearts, Kroenke is here due to his wallet.

Bould's Eyeliner

Sorry, I get your statement, but what does the Cardinals and Rams have to do with one another? Different sports, different franchises, and different scenarios entirely.

I’m not inclined to defend Kroenke, but are you worried that he’s going to pull Arsenal out of London? And as the majority shareholder (investor), he has as much right and reason to be concerned with his wallet. I don’t like Kroenke being our manager, but there are some assumptions here I am not prepared to make about a person. In fact, perhaps this is very American of me, but I am much more comfortable being at the mercy of someone with a easily identifiable prime directive, rather than some whimsical monsters that hold our neighbors at ransom for whatever they desire.

I have no love for fans as managers–often their decisions are clouded, risky, or influenced by the wrong things. Belief and hope is our job, as fans, to maintain. It is the team and manager’s job to deliver on it, and lastly, it is Kroenke’s job to make sure that this club sticks around for the players and fans to maintain their relationship. He has done so, so far, perhaps less than admirably, but things are at least consistent.

St. Louis Rams got moved because it was a franchise in the poorest area of the United States, and he wanted to push his franchise to greater heights. It was not so great for the St. Louis residents and fans, and I certainly feel for their loss. Are you saying that you want Kroenke to be more ambitious? Me too. But that’s a vague word. Ambition comes in many forms, and I will say that Arsenal fans should be careful what they wish for here.

Bould's Eyeliner

owner*

1fromcali

Are you serious?

He brought up the St. Louis Cardinals because thats how he got his name . Thats it.

Do you understand the differences between the setups between European clubs and American teams? Even if he wanted to move Arsenal out of London it would be nearly impossible. Unlike what he did with the Rams. Where American teams can move anywhere they want as long as they get the votes from the other owners.

The whole point is that Arsenal does make money especially now that the stadium payments are done. He just has a formula of how to spend the money to make sure the club will always make money and have reserves. Great but when you aren’t getting closer to trophies sometimes you just have to take a calculated risk and go for it.

Would I take Stan over the ownerships of the other clubs that have gone down, of course. Arsenal is suppose to be tier 1. It was there 13 years ago. Now its comfortably in tier 2 because the lack of ambition from Stan. This is from almost all under Kroenke ownership.

Lol greater heights for the Rams. He kept the loser HC from St Louis in the move and then fired him a year later. Hired inexperienced relatively unknown OC to take over. Not saying he can’t be successful but why not someone with a track record? To show the LA fans that he is serious about winning the Superbowl? The move was nothing but out of greed. All NFL franchises are all but guaranteed profitability. Would i have done the same thing? Hell yeah, American sports franchise model is messed up when it comes to this. The second largest market is wide open. I’m surprised no else has done this. He probably increased the Rams value by 50% from just the move. He doesn’t have to do anything else with the Rams because he will always make money from that team.

Bould's Eyeliner

Yeah, no I’m agreeing with everything you said. Like I said, I’m not defending Kroenke. And with greater heights with Rams, I meant in what Kroenke could earn–that the move was financially driven was more than obvious to everyone who can read a headline in this country.

I’m simply pointing out that looking at his track record in America is a different situation from Arsenal, and how we want a typical owner to get involved with Arsenal, might not be the best thing from someone like Kroenke…

Why Not

If its a six way fight, then we are the only club to achieve that every time in the last 20 years. Not saying thats where we should draw the line. But it is something to consider.

If people use droppinng out of the top 4 as a stick to hit the club with, then achieving it every year should also be seen as equal value. If people are scared of instability, then some stabilty should count for something. I want arsenal to win the title and i want them to show more than what they have been. But i also believe it is either to do that from a position further up the table than further down. Its simple sports theory. The higher the consistent level is the higher the chance of achieving somethinng above.

Otherwise we just become leiscester.

Gooner_Al

Kroenke and Gazidis are a pair of spineless cowardly pricks

romfordpele

Dead right, snivelling shitebags

GunnAlex

Forgive me for not being knowledgable of how clubs/businesses work.
But is Stan accountable to anybody. Is there any scenario where he gets his fucking mitts off our club that, where it is forced upon him?

Public Elneny Number One
Public Elneny Number One

Only when his bank manager tells him we’re no longer a cash cow for him

GG, the Gosport Gooner
GG, the Gosport Gooner

Has anyone remembered the Uzbek billionaire shareholder? What about him?Is he not taking anything from the club? About time the pair of them dipped into their own pockets and secure Sanchez and buy 4 world class players this summer.

North Bank Gooner

The Uzbek has very little say, as the silent one doesn’t like him. Mr 67% is only about fleecing the club, rinsing the last penny he can. Problem is, the only way to shake off the parasite is to lose so much money that his pocket is hurt, and the way we have been set up, and the TV £ means that is unlikely to happen any time soon.

Sad times! Ooh to be a Gooner!

1fromcali

Exactly, If Stan is selling the club that means there is something wrong with Arsenals finances.

franzsigel

No, Kroenke owns 67% of the Club and can practically do whatever he wants.

Just wish the “Wenger Out”-brigade could have used half their energy to protest against Kroenke if they really think our current situation is problematic.

Jimi

Wenger has to be blamed too.His tactics are flawed and you can tell in games that we lost. Look at the Bayern game – we were one man down and he did not bring in a defender. If he didn’t want to bring in Gabriel, at least move Nacho to CD and bring in Gibbs. He did nothing but put a midfielder whose is poor in tackling or defending (XHaka)..Very bad tactics and bad decision. And this has been what we have been dealing with season after season. Wrong signings, wrong tactics season after season.

Wenger needs to go then the board.

PFo

Dude, I don’t disagree with you, but that tie was over with the penalty goal and the sending off (if not before). Do you really think if we had been in a position where we had any realistic chance of going through, and that chance rested on us preventing them from scoring (as opposed to needing to score a ton ourselves), Wenger wouldn’t have subbed on one (or more) defenders? Of course he would have. I’m all for criticizing the man, but let’s criticize him for genuine mistakes that actually mattered. Tuesday after the 50th minute (or whenever it was) was completely meaningless.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

LOL. You think the tie was over on the penalty. Did you miss the part where the team lost 5-1 in Munich. You think the tie was alive after that .

Whose fault was that. Everyone except Wenger’s I suppose!

1fromcali

To the drunk

Anything can happen. Thats why you play the game. For this game it would have been nearly impossible against Bayern but anything can happen especially with the way Arsenal were playing up to that point.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

Agree, but whose fault was it that Arsenal had to get a miracle to qualify.

Who would you blame for the gutless show (yet again in a big game) in Munich. The ref?

Change

Stan is the majority shareholder and board member, but Ivan is the CEO. Ivan is the man in change of running the business and is technically likely to be the only person who can finalise major decisions post board approval. However, as Stan is the majority shareholder and a board member, he has more voting rights than anyone else, which effectively means he can vote down a change that he disagrees with at board level.

For example, Ivan tables a motion to the board to remove Wenger, Stan my be able to effectively veto that motion (depending on the setup on the voting rights – I believe each company can be different in this regard)

The board can decide to vote Stan off the board, drastically reducing his influence, but he probably has a contractual agreement that prevents that happening as long as he is majority shareholder.

Legally he has a lot less influence that he practically does. Arsenal have sold out for no on the pitch gain (unlike Man City or Chealski) due to being a publicly listed company.

Igbo Amadi-Obi

Ivan would be naive, if not stupid, to ambush Kroenke with a Wenger sack motion at the Board, without checking with him prior to the meeting. In fact that would be the end of Ivan as CEO because Kroenke’s vetoing of the motion would become public knowledge, and pitch the WOB against him. You dont climb that highon the corporate ladder without being smart.

podb

he married into Walmart billions. Just another dumb rich prick playing with his toys.

1fromcali

Do some research. As much as I dislike Kroenke as the owner of Arsenal. He was a billionaire well before he married into Walmart money. In another words he isn’t a some dumb prick that got lucky. He’s a smart prick that got luckier. lol

Liam Bradys left peg

Fuckers vote him off then for fucks sake fuck off stan. Kroenke out

Liam Bradys left peg

Is there such a thing called a hostile takeover? Come on Usmanov get in the ring with kroenke and slug it out. Cold war11. Kroenke out.

1fromcali

I think that would work if Kroenkes ownership was a collective of minority owners that have the majority. Unfortunately there are only 2 owners and 1 of them owns a clear majority, so sad lol

Jokerekoj

“…communicated at the right time in the right way.”

How much clearer can one get without spelling out that the actual final decision is to part ways at end-season?

Mpls

I wouldn’t be so quick to that conclusion. They very well might be biding their time hoping the air clears a little before announcing an extension. Otherwise I see no benefit to either side not announcing the plan for the end of season departure.

Jokerekoj

We still have a third of the season to go and are currently ranked fifth. A statement of that kind may further disrupt the team’s dedication to the cause. Lets also not forget that the majority of the players are here purely because of him, some of which are under ongoing contract negotiations.

The writing is on the wall. What will happen can easily be inferred from (paying attention to) recent interviews with the man (‘I will coach next year; maybe you wish to employ me’ jokes etc). Only an (unlikely} outpouring of love from the fans may change that.

Mpls

But an announcement might (might) also give some purpose and a rallying point for what’s left. A sending-off gift, if you will.

IF they are calling it time, that is. I’m just watching and waiting to see what happens. Quite the drama.

And given the Negotiating Prowess of our esteemed Mr. Dick Law, I suspect we’re better off knowing sooner than later the intentions of players at the ends of their contracts to plan for next season come what may.

This may all be going on behind the closed doors though. I hope Some kind of planning is whether it’s for this year, next, or the following.

Please let there be some kind of reasoned planning underway. Please.

Arsene's coat

I think it’s simply a matter of having a replacement lined up before announcing Arsene’s departure, which I think is the right thing to do. And until a suitable replacement is found and an agreement is signed, the option of keeping Wenger on for another year should be kept on the table.

Top managers – the likes of Allegri and Simeone – won’t accept any offer until the end of the Champions League, as a potential win would give them a stronger negotiation hand.

So would you rather have Arsene leave us with whoever happens to fancy the job and isn’t tied up to another club?

Also, who WOULD you like to manage Arsenal next season?

1fromcali

We’ll get the best manager that is left standing after the other clubs that are higher then us make their decision. I can’t imagine any manger who has legit choices would pick Arsenal.

Jonny Bravo

Thank you for your interest in our affairs

Gaz

Whatever. He’ll stay, he’ll leave, he’ll shake it all about if he wants to.

Ridiculous that the board is refusing to take any action or accountability for anything at club level.

As hard as it gets, I’m trying not to let this stuff get to me and try and get as much enjoyment out of the rest of the season as I can. Whatever happens in the summer will happen.

Richard suku

I still prefer Wenger as our manager, the needs quality players. Wenger is still the right man for the job.
Well, if he leaves, it’ll be a very difficult time in North London, cause we’ll mostly miss out of the champion league and be at the bottom of the premier League. I am a loyal arsenal fan and this my worry… Spend money on quality players..

Ya Da

fucking cunts

Hi-brid

That’s about the most unstatementy statement I’ve ever read.

Public Elneny Number One
Public Elneny Number One

If you put on a pair of those sunglasses that Rowdy Roddy Piper wore in “They Live” you will see that the statement actually reads….

“HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCKING SUCKERS

OBEY”

N11gooner

Boring! I personally believe that a change of manager is what we need but I’d rather Wenger just signed another contract so we don’t have to keep hearing the same shit over and over again! You boys at arseblog must be bored shit less with all this crap

Ricky

Hardly a vote of confidence in Wenger and unprecedented for Arsenal to make a statement like this. Can’t help but feel that no top 4 and/or no FA Cup will be the end.

Good, in my view, though even with one of the above I think he still needs to go. None of it is how I would have wanted this legend of the club to depart but there you go. A sad end.

I just hope we have started looking for replacements, thinking about how to re-build all the structures that hinge on one man and communicate with key players in their final years in order to try and tie them down (whatever people think about Ozil and Sanchez, they are our only world class players. And I happen to like the Ox too. Bite me).

Yeah…fingers crossed eh?

Public Elneny Number One
Public Elneny Number One

Ordinarily when the board publically backs the manager he gets the boot within 2 months but some how i very much doubt it’s the case here

Begeegs

I think that with this board, it is more like 2 years….You can wake me up then..

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

Even with both he needs to go.

Smeirf

Thinking that AW is leaving at the end of the season is as naive as it gets…
The only reason we’re not hearing about his new contract is because the timing’s awful.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

Dear goodness! Can’t believe fans still want him to stay.

Bcereus

Fans: “Look how far we are from the best”
Arsenal: “Look how far you are from the worst”

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

I would hope that is not the case. If true it would mean that the club has no semblance of ambition left at any level at the club.

Well at least we are not the worst, is the most ridiculous motto.

A team doesn’t play to be the best. Not to not be the worst. This is the exact kind of thinking that has held the club back.

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

I mean a team plays to be the best* – Correction.

Clarkey

William Hill are currently offering 5/2 on Wenger being in charge next season. Something tells me that’s a very good bet.

Jokerekoj

You know what they say about idiots and their money.

Smeirf

That’d be the first time I’ll enjoy losing a bet more than winning it.

JinJon

All chips and no fish…

N7

Best outcome would be Arsene to come out and say next season is his last…gives the club time to get ready, gives Arsene one last shot at something big and also would stop the negativity.

I realise negativity comes from the results but I suppose I mean negativity over Arsene specifically. He is not the problem IMO, and I think any other manager will struggle.

Jimi

Next season?? His contract ends this season. He needs to come out and say he is leaving at the end of the season and we has fans will back him up and give him the proper send off. Until then we need to continue to protest his management and force him out. Wenger needs to LEAVE, he needs to go this season.

I still don’t get how people still are behind him. 12 years and no premier league. He keeps buying wrong players(the list is long). Keep putting out wrong tactics.

GoonerSmurf

go on, extend his contract, raise ticket prices, win nothing, and repeat. or try change and take a chance

gloryhunter

i think we might actually be a situation that no matter what happens Arsene will still be manager, Arsene clearly calls the shot. He’s not going anywhere FML

Mootilated

Yep. He’s off.

kaius

At the very least, this statement recognises that announcing a new contract right now could start a “civil war”.

Public Elneny Number One
Public Elneny Number One

Bagsy i’m Iron Man!

Goon

I’m tired with this negativity surrounding the club, can we just support the team and talk about everything else when the season is over?

Dan Hunter

Not a lot to get behind at the moment

Goon

A good first half showing against Bayern is something the team can build on. I think all Arsenal fans can agree. It wasn’t perfect but it was a positive response. Had we lost 5 1 with 11 players, I would have agreed with you.

Dan Hunter

I don’t care if you are 10 men, you shut up shop, you try to keep a sense of dignity. We capitulated so badly that Bayern took pity on us. They could have scored 8 or 9 or 10. It was as if they decided, nah, 5 is enough. It was beyond embarrassing.

Futsboller

The fact that we don’t defend our club when times are tough is embarrassing.

Graham

Well I’m glad they cleared that up 🙄

Tribe

Arsenal FC decided that they should say something about the manager’s future. And all that they said is that they will say it when they say it.

Stuck on repeat...

^^ So true ^^

Vonnie

Whatever any of us think about Stan Kronke he is a very astute businessman indeed. When he bought Arsenal he was sold a club with one of the most succesful and well respected managers in charge. Silent Stan is a very private person who only ever appears in public when he really needs to. He talks business-speak because that’s what he is, a business tycoon; and because that’s what Arsenal is, a different kind of business but a business non the less, even though we may not like to think of it that way.
Arsenal is very professionaly run, perhaps overly so, but personally I’d rather that than some of the basket-cases we see in the league, and Arsene has been given total support and money to spend by the majority owner and the board. I guess I’m trying to say two things. Firstly, Stan Kronke is entering uncharted waters, because the situation with Arsene is now tearing the fanbase apart and reflecting on the players and club itself, so he’s going to have to do something. Secondly that he didn’t get to where he is without a ruthless streak and without using the best brains he can hire to find solutions. Arsenal football club never discusses anything in public and they’re not going to start now, but I definately don’t think they have their heads in the sand either. This statement makes me think Arsene will leave in the Summer. If this is so they’ve probably got someone lined up already, and it will be somebody proven, because it doesn’t make financial sense to do anything else.

Dan Hunter

Your comment is very interesting. I am curious though – would risking more outlay in order to achieve the bigger trophies not take Arsenal up another level? Is it worth it business wise to try to break that glass ceiling of simply top four and actually try to compete with the likes of Bayern in Europe, and Chelsea, Utd and City in England? I guess I am asking, does it make financial sense to take a risk to win the big trophies?

Begeegs

It isn’t the money that is the issue with not being able to defend or playing without the ball.

Public Elneny Number One
Public Elneny Number One

thats moneyball!!!!!!

Vonnie

Arsene has spent an enormous amount of money over the last three seasons and I think the club wanted to keep faith with the man who guided us through some very difficult times when we built the new stadium and money was short. The trouble is that Arsene hasn’t managed to push on from there. I personally don’t think there’s a huge difference between the City, United or Chelsea squads and ours, and I don’t think the club would have a problem with spending more. We’re never going to splash silly money like United have on Ibra or Pogba, Bayern is a step too far for the near future, but I honestly believe that with two or three top class additions, some motivation and a bit of nous we can definately be good enough to win the league without any real financial risk at all. That’s what I’m hoping for.

1fromcali

I think Stan is where he is for a reason. He has smart people around him on top of that. I’m sure he’s thought about it but comes to the conclusion its just not worth risking sustainability for the trophies. At the end of the day there is only 1 winner for the prem and champions league.

vino

You’re right about Kronke, he’s clearly a very astute businessman. But unfortunately that’s the problem. Fans want a club pursuing excellence, not a successful business. Unfortunately for us you don’t need to be champions to be a cash cow and the proof is in the pudding. We are a vehicle for him, one of many. There is nothing to like about his ownership from a fan perspective and we’ve seen enough of it to be crystal clear on that. The concerns and desires are at odds completely and they apparently always will be.

1 year ago: “If you want to win Championships then you would never get involved”
Stan Kronke

We aren’t pursuing excellence, the message comes from the top. Saying he isn’t as bad as some other owners is fine- but then why not say that about Wenger? Why not say that about Coquelin? Why not say it about ticket prices? Why not say it about squad investment? Why not say it about trophies? We do.

1fromcali

Not defending him but I think you are taking that comment out of context.

Al Gilmore

Wenger out or Wenger in doesn’t matter.

Our club has never done its business in public and that isn’t a Kroenke construct- it’s been pretty much how we have always done things.

So the press may clamour for an answer and demand it now but it isnt going to happen. They want it to happen because papers now want to create the news rather than just report it.

Back when we were winning the press got us all up tight about Wenger not signing a new contract before the other one was finished – even if he said publicly he was going to sign it. Not good enough for our press. Push, push, push. Same then and same now.

I am sure Arsenal are investigated all avenues. Wenger to stay and if so, what has to change to address the on-field failings of the last 3 seasons since we started spending some money. Do we need to spend more. Do we need an overhaul of coaching- does Wenger himself need to step back from coaching like Fergie did at Utd.

Will he move to become director of football and hire someone who can continue playing “our way” but still with their own personality.

Will he leave and I am sure we have contingencies there for a replacement.

Maybe talks with replacements will make their mind up. If they don’t believe they can attract someone better (cue the WOB saying anyone would be better) then they may think Wenger is better than the alternative but again may suggest forcefully that coaching needs to improve to make us tactically better than we have been shown to be.

We want to go from Wenger to another top coach. Not absolutely necessary that they are title winning managers but managers that have shown an ability to play with technique but also tactics. Rare the coach that does both but they exist.

I am sorry but I dont see that our club is in crisis. We’re not and it is an affront to decency to call a solvent club with decent players and a loyal fan base (we moan but we are loyal) as being in crisis.

Wenger staying or going – we will in and around trophies and that is what Keswick means by long term success.

Our hierarchy may lack a little ambition. But this is not surprising- when you run a club as a self sustaining business you do not want lean years and yes lean means not top 4. Like it or not – it is 30mill minimum for the club. Could be the difference between profit or loss at the end of a season. Hard to but good players without that money or the lure of CL football.

So fans saying “I don’t mind finishing 12th this year if we win it next year”. Yes it has happened but not as often as a team being top4 one year and adding to an already competitive squad and going one better. That’s where we are at.

Even now. We are a win of a game in hand off 4th. Ahead of Liverpool and Utd by the way. And we are a win away from a SF. It’s not my idea of a crisis.

It’s my idea of a club not fulfilling its potential. It’s a school report saying could and should do better. But crisis?

Midfield Corporal

Whilst we are not ‘in crisis’ like a Coventry City, and you make some very reasonable points from a business POV, I didn’t fall in love with Arsenal because of their sensible business model. The fact that you say “Even now, with a game in hand we are one win off 4th place”…..how uninspiring is that. I don’t get excited by 4th place.

I’m have huge respect for AW, but surely he must realise how stale it’s got. Why wouldn’t he want to see the last 3 months at the club of his life be a celebration of his achievements rather than the cause of in fighting and vitriol?

GoonerInk

no-one said be excited by 4th place…
the point is more, about us hitting our minimum seasonal target of challenging for the title… which in the bpl is usual top 4..

the last few seasons weve come in 3rd and second though.. so unless the media has brainwashed you we arent a pth placed club anymore…

priceyface

Totally agree. It’s not crisis, it’s just… you know… not very nice right now. And media and certain sections of the fan base have made it a lot worse.

It’s practically a self fulfilling prophecy now (some of those Wenger Out pieces of A4 paper looked a bit tatty, weathered and old to me… almost like they’ve been in pockets waiting for the right time!).

This statement shows that the fan base is craving some freshness to the stagnation at the top, no doubt. Wenger is the lightening rod, but theres much more to it than him, for me anyway. It needs to be addressed.

Right now it’s ironic that our club motto is Victoria Concordia Crecsit (Victory through Harmony). From the bottom up among the split fan base (and especially with the clubs top down relationship with fans) its worth remembering again.

Whatever happens (see above) I hope we can show we are classier than how it is right now (all over the place) when it all goes through the wash.

Southpaw74

Have u seen our last four games,, I don’t think we get in top four in current form,, spurs away a draw or defeat, man u at home draw or defeat stoke away lol never won there so draw or defeat, then everton thats a even game so I think we be lucky with 4 points which aint gonna get us in the top four

Southpaw74

Also got man city and southhamton in that mix and don’t favour our chances either, saints bit bogie team

Ant

I hope we don’t qualify for the CL next season with Wenger as the manger so we won’t have to be humiliated for a change. And i don’t get the idea somehow we should feel sorry for Wenger. He’s getting paid millions with a job of a lifetime with minimal pressure compared to other top club managers who must guarantee a title within two years of taking charge. Yes he’s done some amazing things for the club in the past but how does that guarantee him to basically call all the shots. Have our standards fallen so low that we must accept we will never win any major competition and settle for top four every season and take that as our target?

Arsene Gonner

We’ll be humiliated in the UEFA Cup instead.

Southpaw74

I hope we don’t get in Europe full stop, I think we need a break from it and hopefully might do us some good

Al Gilmore

If you don’t think Wenger is under pressure – from himself, from other inside the club and from the fans not to mention the press – you obviously aren’t a keen observer. He is clearly under pressure. Every aspect of his demeanour says so.

It suits some people’s narrative that he is just staying in through greed and not (misplaced) loyalty. You and I know he will have offers from other clubs that would match or better what he gets at Arsenal. He gets what he gets at Arsenal because he does essentially 2 roles- head coach and director of football. Whether you think he is a failure in those roles is neither here nor there. It is why he gets paid what he gets paid and I’d say there is very little let up in terms of workload or pressure.

And I don’t think we should be glib about that. Not saying he had it harder than a Nurse in A&E or a soldier on the front line. But I don’t agree with the narrative that he is milking Arsenal for easy money with no pressure. The man looks haunted at times.

1fromcali

did you just find out that Kroenke owns Arsenal? This is what we have to live with as fans unless he sells. If he sells then there is something financially wrong with Arsenal which would not be good. We are stuck with him until he passes away(which I’m not hoping for at all) and his heirs don’t want Arsenal but that won’t happen either. His son is in the sports management business so I’m sure he will happily take over. Guess how successful his 2 teams he operates are? lol smh

Indian Gooner

Uncle Chips.. has said something to clarify things.. which doesn’t really clarify anything..
I just hope we now win the FA cup.. and qualify for the Champions League as a minimum!

Bob A

I have a number of points about the club.
1 We had 200 supporters calling for AW head, marched before match, what about the other 50,000
who just went to the match as supporters.
2 Yes we lost 5 1 with 10 men headlines everywhere for AW head
3 Barca lost 4 0 in there first match nothing no criticism
4 PSG lost 6 1 no comments or minimal
Yes I know the results have not been good enough but surly the players have to take some of the blame for their poor performances. Because once the manager has picked his team it is up to the players to do the rest. AW did make the odd mistake in hindsight but that should not have made any difference to the end performance.

i

Brendan from NY

Mostly agree but if you dont think PSG’s manager is under tremendous pressure at the moment, you are mistaken. Paris is shell-shocked by yesterday’s result and heads likely will result. Its one thing to be totally obliterated two legs in a row. Its another to suffer a defeat in the biggest comeback in CL history.

Midfield Corporal

My gut feeling is the majority of fans find the protests distasteful, but it doesn’t necessary mean those fans don’t want a change, they just appreciate what AW has achieved so feel uncomfortable disrespecting him.
On the field, surely Arsene has to take full responsibility. He bought and trained every one of those players. If they are letting him down it’s his job to replace them not indulge them. Only Arsene has allowed a player like Walcott to stay at the club for 10years, only Arsene has been unable to set up a team to defend solidly.

Herewegoagain

We lost badly and I do not necessarily agree with the likes of Rio Ferdinando that we should just have played containment football to keep the score down. That said, it’s not just down to the players – this team had no direction or tactical nouse which should have been instilled in them in the 2 weeks since their last game (and all season). “AW made the odd mistake in hindsight” – are you on the Arsenal board with comments like that?

To suggest that there was no reaction in Barca to first leg is naive; to suggest no criticism in Paris today of PSG is ridiculous. UK press don’t have to focus on the adverse aspects of foreign teams, just go with the headlines. Neither have they focused on the diabolical refereeing in both the games.

Its not losing 5-1 with 10 ten men that sees calls for his head, it’s the 3 of those against Bayern plus the Bournemouth, Watford, Chelski, ManC, Everton, Liverpool defeats and even performances in Burnley, Hull, PNE victories that brought that.

Everyone was saying how shocking it was for Ranieri to get the sack but look how that changed player performances at Leicester,

Dan Hunter

Just because there was not a big turnout at the Wenger Out march, does not mean most supporters would not prefer him to leave in order to bring a more dynamic and tactically astute manager in his place with the experience of winning things. I believe most supporters want Wenger gone but they see marching and calling for his head as disrespectful. My brother has been a staunch Wenger in for years even when I wasn’t, yet even he is saying Wenger needs to go, his time is up. Saying that, and marching and cursing and holding up banners are two totally different things. Even on this blog, most people, I believe, feel the same way, correct me if I am wrong. I am sure if we were offered Allegri right now, most Arsenal fans would jump at the chance.

PSG did not lose 6-1 in both legs. Barcelona made up for losing 4-0 in the first leg. The comparison is a bit unintelligent.

Goonada

It would really be nice to see some indication that anyone in the upper echelons of the club gives the most remote crap about anything. It’s all smiles and silence as Rome burns. But we’re a big club ….

uncle D

That was not a statement! It was a comment! A squak! A jabawoki! A squeak! Not good enough!

Mark

Just announce it either way already Wenger.

jon

I’ve just told my boss that I will decide when I leave the company, I’m giving myself a pay rise and to keep out of how I run the business. Didn’t go down too well.

Mathius

Kroenke only cares about the money! He has little interest in the Club being successful. Just look at his other sporting acquisitions. They are all like Arsenal in that they don’t win anything. Blame the Arsenal board for this, who were bloody-minded enough to sell the Club to Kroenke because they didn’t want Usmanov in control, even though he would have invested heavily in the playing staff. The likes of Hazard and Kante would have been playing for us and we would be competing with any club in the world. This is their fault!

Dan Hunter

Are club success and financial success mutually exclusive?

1fromcali

Not defending Kroenke. You don’t know if Usmanov would have been a better owner. No one does until he actually sells and buys another club and proves it. I’ve read his comments in other articles how he is unhappy. Why doesn’t he just sell and buy another club?

Gooner4life Foz

Get Kronke and Gazidis out and get Usmanov and David Dein in. Protest against the board not the manager

Southpaw74

Foz, got to admit since David dein left things have got a lot worse

Darren

i dream of the day when Arsenal will be owned by the fans like AFC Wimbledon.

Little Ernie

Somebody needs to grow a set of bollocks and admit Wenger is no longer the force he once was. He’s out of ideas and has been for quite some time. If he doesn’t go now we won’t make top 4 and there will be no CL for us next season. At the very least the board and majority share holders need to make an announcement that a new manager will be at the helm next season. The problem is whoever takes over will have lost Sanchez and to a lesser extent Ozil who are key players in the squad. I fear we will end up also rans like Everton who won’t go down but won’t win anything either.

Arsene Gonner

We’re already also-rans like Everton. Arsenal have not competed for the PL once in 13 years and we might as well not be in Europe because even a fluke win is impossible with Wenger in charge.

This is what I don’t get about “Be careful what you wish for”.l What we’re feeling now is exactly the same as what we’d be feeling if we finished 10th every season. Either way, we’re not competing for anything meaningful and there’s no hope of ever competing for anything meaningful with this manager.

Still, at least Everton are looking up, Arsenal are looking down – especially when Sanchez/Ozil and Ox piss off.

Futsboller

I can understand being frustrated with our results, but I’m afraid you’ve overdone it here.

Arsene Gonner

Why?

Futsboller

Finishing 10th is not the same as finishing in the European spots. The FA Cup is a meaningful tournament and trophy. Finishing in the top four is meaningful, whether Wenger stays or goes, and it improves our hand when attracting talent, not to mention the financial benefits. Things are looking down at the moment at Arsenal, but they will improve, and things will look up again.

GoonerN16

Silly @gonner. ..

GoonerN16

Alexis can walk out that door
I don’t like his attitude and he loses far too many balls…
He out the door already in his head, it’s obvious….
Bye bye ta ta…

Dan Hunter

It comes with the territory of star players, they will be prima donnas. The manager needs to manage them. An interesting thing to read about is how Alex Ferguson treated Eric Cantona.

Jack4343

So their decision is that they aren’t going to make a decision? Spineless!

Steve

sounds like we are finally going to get our wish. hope we don’t get to regret it. thanx arsene, but it’s time for a fresh start

Wez

I could be wrong, but any decision made public is likely to effect the share price, which of course without a well known top level coach having already signed an agreement is likely to drop, rather than increase. That is how a business is run, and as much as we don’t like it, it is also why we don’t really ever get any information.

Ibrovibes

Arsenal fans should boycott all remaining home and away matches even if they have already booked & paid for the match tickets…They should also threaten boycott of next season’s match tickets as a way of drastically reducing the club’s matchday earnings…WENGER MUST GO…ENOUGH IS ENOUGH…

Cannonbury

Pathetic nothing statement from people who have no clue at all.

Mizog

This is why I can’t turn on arsene!! The others at the club are fucking clueless!
The most loyal successful manager in the clubs history and they just hang him out to dry!!

Highburried

I would welcome a change if that’s what we need..but at the same time, I don’t have any delusion that things will change overnight once a new manager chips in..comparison to Barca (enrique announcing his stand) is ludicrous..they are having a different dna and set of players..we are one of the second tier teams in europe and every year,realistically, we have a remote possibility of winning the champions league. For me, to be a top 16 team in Europe for so long is an acheivement..Wenger dared us to dream and in a way dug his own grave..I can’t digesta the argument that superstar players ( read psg) or a superstar manager( like pep) can guarantee instant success..I don’t see that when I look around..we are, probably, a rebored engine that has, theoretically, the capability to to accelerate..but due to many reasons, it hasn’t picked up yet..I don’t think Arsene is the only problem.. We fans are very much part of the problem..and I would wait and see how we help the team forward after a managerial change..huge respect for the man in charge, though I would not mind him leaving now..I don’t mind losing or being humiliated by a tier 1 team, but we are playing nowhere near what we are capable of..I would like to see that fluid arsenal return first..For me,manager and players are second to the arsenal identity that we built over these years (from the years of boring boring..) COYG..lets first get past Lincoln on Saturday..

Adam_b16

Not that big of a fan of this false narrative that kronke is some self made brilliant business man. He got almost all of his wealth from marrying rich.

santori

Fans need to act with a bit of class.

Wenger is no ordinary manager.

He has built the club up whether you like it or not and does not deserve these facile “WENGER OUT” banners.

At very least, these toxic fans should be a bit more lucid and maybe switch their message to “TIME FOR CHANGE” if they want to protest and not single out Wenger.

Personally there is still a lot to fight for this season even if the big prizes have annoyingly eluded us yet again. I for one would prefer to leave any protest or banners till at least last 2 or 3 games int he season.

The last thing we need right now is to fuel the dissent which will be further propogated by an all too willing media who will take much glee in seeing Arsenal fail.

santori

I think we also have to take things into a little perspective.

1) Wenger has failed to bridge the gap to the very top. Last 3 seasons, he has improved on the nominal 4th place trophy by finishing slightly higher and with two FA cups. BUT the big prizes elude him. Worryingly last season although we were second, we were no where close to the leaders. This season, we seem to be slipping even further.

2) OTOH not to excuse him from his failings but he has over 21 years ensured incredible stability even during fallow seasons with key departures by at very least securing a MINIMUM finish of CL spot. This may not be good enough now but it is certainly nothing to be taken for granted and we are in danger of him slipping out of that standard even.

3) When you look at the other teams, there isn’t exactly a clear recipe to say that change of management is necessarily going to guarantee success. In fact (as with United) it can be the opposite. Liverpool have been trying for a quarter of a century to win the title. They have had plenty of management changes with media proclaimed genius Brendan Rodgers. Bar one fortuitous CL win with Rafa, they have failed to even achieve the level of consistency in qualifying for the CL. Yet the media would deem them on the up always.

The same can be said of Spurs. This season we are in danger of truly not being able to celeberate St Totteringham’s day for 21 seasons straight under Wenger’s tenure. BUT Spurs who are another team lauded by the press again have never been consistent in CL. This season they were dumped out of the Europa cup by Ghent, never mind being trashed by one of the best teams in the world Bayern.

Again a whole retinue of world class young managers have come through the revolving door from Juande Ramos to AVB.

3) When you look at Guardiola and City, you’d be forgiven to think they are night and day to us. BUT just yesterday, the drew blanks with Stoke and we are not far off them in points even after our disaster against Liverpool. Are they any much better under Guardiola than we under Wenger? They’ve had a more forgiving CL draw but that’s about it.

4) Like Leicester last season Conte’s Chelsea are without CL distraction and have pulled away. We should not of course make too much of a meal of the extra games we play since our defeat to Liverpool came off of a week’s rest with no distractions BUT clearly there is an advantage to a team without the need to compete in Europe.

5) This doesn’t excuse Wenger for not pushing higher, he has been unable to fulfill the promise he has put in place with the good players he has bought over the summer. In general, he hasn’t been able to get the best out of the players and on certain occasions has been tactically suspect. However when put into context with the above issues, I think we should appreciate that it is not even a given (Particularly this season) that MINIMUM standards can be met.

Many feel the board is the issue (or the owner) but frankly the board is doing what its suppose to be doing and concentrating on off field performance.

The owner knows nothing about football. True we may benefit from one that does but the current one is best served IMO concentrating on the club as a business and leaving the football matters to the board. We only have to look at the meddling of owners at Leeds several decades past or Mike Ahsley at Newcastle to see how destructive micromanagement from an owner (who thinks he knows more) can be.

As far as Wenger’s tenure is concern, it may be that he will feel exhausted to carry the ball further at end of this season.

I think the lithmus test is whether he can secure MINIMUM standards. If he can, there may be good reason out of respect to have him transition through one more season SHOULD we NOT find a suitable candidate to replace him this summer.

It will afford time to put things in place and give him some face which he deserves given the pivotal role he has played transforming this club.

There should be NO rush to panick buy a manager IMO. If the 2018 timeline and the Wcup management reshuffle would afford better range of choice, this is also a consideration to make.

The last thing we need is to rush into a manager that most feel is spur of the moment genius like a Roberto Martinez (remember him?) and set the club back even further because that can happen and I am not sure the same noisy fans who clamour for Wenger’s blood so disgustingly at present will show patience to persevere through another 2 or 3 empty seasons (below Spurs maybe).

So food for thought.

Whilst I understand the ‘passion’ I think some fans need to take stock of reality and take a deep breath, do a bit of thinking.

We are a club with class and a view to the long haul.

COYG.

Frog

No.

kaius

Nope.

Tribe

Oh dear Santori, where to start?

Not that we are in no rush for new manager but we need him with the speed of light. The new manager should have time to analyse the team and see what he needs. Then he should kick the asses of the board to give him the finances to at least maintain the club’s position.

The job of the board is not always off field. If it is then they are not aware (or they dont care) what the club needs.

Comparisons with another teams are not needed as an argument, please. Some other clubs are up and down, compared to us we are every time at same (stable?) position, BUT… Tell me how many titles have Arsenal won since 2005 and how many Chelsea, Man United, Man City? On that point we are the lowest, two FA cups, the lowest competition compared to Champions League, Premier League… (Least I wanted to mention Spurs, but since you nailed it. They changed managers like sox, but you know what? They are above us. They made a team out of partly unknown players, players that cost less than our team and players that have lower salaries. But what the future brings for them [hope not] we’ll see. But at least they are not fooling their fans for over a decade that they will compete at the highest level).

The minimum standards that you speak about never were publicly said as goals. AFC never publicly said that we are a club that aims to be in the top four and secure CL spot. No, they say that afterwards when they see we cannot achieve more. Firstly, Wenger, Gazidis and so on, will say publicly we can compete at the highest level, we can challenge for titles and when that doesnt happen, they’ll pull that “stability of the 4th place” argument. And that irritates.

Yes, we are a club with class but never forget that the class can be disclass-ed. The club is a system of hundreds of parts and some parts dont last forever. If you want your machine to work permanently then you should change the corroded parts. If not, they’ll influence the work of the other parts and in the end its total collapse.

Futsboller

Well put (really excellent metaphor at the end), but I thought we wanted a title, not to “maintain the club’s position,” which is, as many have pointed out, brutal and humiliating failure, year after year now? Moreover, do you really expect the board/owner to change their spots and give the new manager the funds he needs to remake Arsenal in his image? This isn’t ManCity, it’s Arsenal, and we do everything on a budget — that is not going to change, despite the wish that we’ll wake up tomorrow with a new manager, owner, players, and trophy in hand.

Tribe

First and foremost, if we are talking about new manager there will be many “if’s” but who says we can’t really dream and expect better for our club. We almost forgot how it looks like.

I don’t really expect the board to give the new manager unlimited funds to do whatever he likes. But there is always hope in fresh faces and on top of that if that manager is wisely selected then (cause we already know the weaknesses of Wenger) his first aim should be not tolerating underperforming players. That implies that players like Gibbs, Walcott, Ramsey, Gabriel and so on, can be sold and bring money to the club and those money should bring new players. At this point those players directly or indirectly harm the club (big salaries, small impact, long periods injured). So, better to buy 2 mid-expensive players then to have those 4 for example. Other point, the new manager should not wait years to put new players to play (example, Holding, Perez, earlier Joel Campbell, Gnabry maybe?).

New manager can and should bring discipline and authority. Some players need to be disciplined and to play what they are told, instead of playing stars and think that their individual moves can change a game (Sanchez, Ozil). The new manager should play the players at their natural position (Coquellin, Chamberlain).

So, if we as fans, football lovers, admirers of AFC can see these things, I bet a real football manager sees hundreds of times better than this.

It’s a really long and wide discussion because it’s “if”(new manager comes).

And one last “if”. If new manager comes to talk to the club then he will know the situation before he sign the paper, don’t worry about that.

Futsboller

We can want certainly want better for our club, and I think we all do, but I am sure the majority of fans would prefer a very realistic, sustainable approach to bringing in a new manager and not a dreamy move that might cost us our moderate level of success.

Wenger’s loyalty to his players, even when underperforming is very frustrating from a fan’s perspective; but if we listened to the fans about which players are good and which aren’t, we’d have Gunnersaurus at the halfway line with a sickly Welbeck and Perez alongside, and maybe Bellerin at right back. Everyone else has taken a hammering at one point or another this season from the fans; in September, nearly everyone on here wanted Oxlade-Chamberlain neutered and sold, and now he’s one of our bright spots in the midfield. Theo has more haters than anyone other than Ramsey, but Theo’s notched 16 goals this season. All this to ignore the big problem that if it is obvious we are having a firesale on Wenger-boys at the club, we are not going to get good value for them on the market. These are club assets, many of whom we’ve raised; we can’t simply give them away. And the fans don’t want to see mid-expensive players; new manager means new shiny toys, the best kind, because you aren’t going to win the big prizes without them. A new manager would never sign on with Arsenal without assurances of finances, transfers, and a guaranteed time period to ply his trade despite failings. Everyone knows the situation of what it is like to manage at Arsenal, even Infantino.

1fromcali

How many times have the Spurs finished above us in the last 20 years? They probably will do it this year but to bring up the Spurs is a joke.

Yeah in the last 12 years ManU-6, Chelsea-3, ManC-2 and of course Leicester-1 Prem title. Chelsea looks like it will win another. 3 of those clubs all spend more on transfers and wages over Arsenal.

Tribe

Futsboller

I really understand your point man and that’s why I said there are many if’s. But this time I will be short. First, we don’t know what would have happened if mentioned players left (maybe we could’ve buy new ones of which we don’t know how they will perform). Second, how much damage those players have done before they flourished? And what effect did their flourishing has on the team and his table position or overall stats?

Madhur

“We will always run this great football club with its best long-term interests at heart”

And that would be making more money for the board, while the fans ponder in mediocrity..

Gunner4Life

Every season, I purchase the new Home and Away kit, along with that other merchandise. I, along with many of my fellow Gunner pals have made a Promise to not spend our hard earned money until shit is sorted at our beloved club. The toll is already heavy on our hearts seeing a prestigious club like Arsenal suffer that crap score at United, the losses to Barca and of course recently the crap agg to BM. If many more passionate supporters should follow suit maybe then this Deadbeat board would act. Other than all I’ve said, truly hope we Gunners feel somehow better soon. COYG

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