Walcott: Things have happened on the training ground

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Theo Walcott

Theo Walcott has admitted that there have been incidents behind the scenes and says the players need to pull together for the sake of the club and manager Arsene Wenger.

Alexis Sanchez was reported to have been in a training ground bust-up last week, leading to him being dropped for last Saturday’s game against Liverpool.

It was a claim denied by Wenger in the build-up to last night’s 5-1 defeat to Bayern Munich, but post-game Walcott appeared to confirm that there had been some kind of set-to and he urged his teammates to cut it out and to keep things in house.

“Things have happened,” he told Standard Sport. “They need to stay in the dressing room and the players and staff need to sort it out. We are in it together here. We can’t be fighting each other.

“Things get taken out of proportion — we all know this. There are certain things that happen at training grounds.

“I’m sure it happens at every other training ground, most of the time, really.”

The England man denied it had had any effect on the team though, and refuted suggestions the team had given up.

“I don’t really want to go into it but the stuff that has gone on did not affect our first half here. At certain times when things don’t go well, you don’t want to have anything in your head that you are giving up.

“The 5-1 scoreline looks like we have given up but we haven’t. It just looks like that. That’s the disappointing thing because we know as players we don’t give up.”

He also said that the players themselves need to take more responsibility for the current malaise, saying it can’t all fall on Wenger.

“He will take this on himself but us players need to look at ourselves,” he said.

“The manager has been taking a lot of flak in recent weeks and us players have been accepting it, but we can’t.

“We need to take the pressure off the manager and that will happen by performances. Who knows what the manager will do?

“Players just want to play football for this club and do well for the manager.”

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Pedant

Incidents behind the scenes are good if the team comes out fighting.

First half was good, should have been two up. The ref made two bad decisions on the Kos ‘penalty’.

I’m not going to blame the team for chasing the game with 10 men. What else were they supposed to do, defend?

Don

Yes at 10 men at 6-2 down, any competent well coached side would’ve realised that the tie was over, and rather than going all out and risking getting battered again as was the case, they could’ve put two banks of four across pitch and hope to soak up pressure and catch Bayern on the break. Had we drawn 1-1 last night, whilst people would rightly still be pissed off that we went out in such embarrassing circumstances after the first leg, it would at least have been a somewhat credible draw that could’ve been built on. Instead its another loss by four goals, and increased pressure on the team and the manger to perform in the games to come.

GYWE

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t… If we’d ‘shut up shop’ we would’ve been slaughtered for throwing the towel in

Martin Hayes's family carpenter
Martin Hayes's family carpenter

The towel was thrown in 2 weeks ago

Michael Okeje

I disagree. Some years back we were losing 4 – 0 to AC Milan. In the return leg, we won 3-0. We just needed one more goal. It wouldn’t have made any sense to defend. Maybe, we did too much attacking but defending wouldn’t have been good.

Southpaw74

We had better players then,

Don

Nah, not nearly to the same extent. Most people recognized tie was over after red card and penalty. Doubt many would criticize any team playing defensive a man down against Bayern. Would much rather that than losing 5-1 again!

Goonerink

after the lethargic performances theyve put in lately?

I was proud of their performance, just not the scoreline!

Steakfordinner

I don’t think I would have felt any better drawing 1-1. Last night the tie was already over, I was just looking for an attacking performance. I certainly got that for the first hour. In this case alone, the referee was the cause, and 5.1 was the effect. There were plenty of positives to take, so I don’t care about the score.

Godfrey Twatschloch

Defending and losing or attacking and losing. Didn’t matter at that point. At least the team had some fight in them this time. And until the cunt of a ref sent off Kos we were actually winning. Might even have gotten the number of goals we needed to go through. Or maybe not. Due to that grossly incompetent ref and his infantile decisions we’ll never know.

Either way it’s done so fuck it. On to the next game.

Futsboller

Oh, please, fans of this ilk would have criticized our team had we won 3-0 last night. Arsenal can’t win with fans like this, and this won’t change with change. I am utterly shocked that these pages are not filled, 100%, with outrage at that officiating crew and brimming with support for our team (we were excellent for 55 mins, gutsy for another 20 mins or so, and then it really fell apart). Too many fans here love to hate the players and manager, and revel in our demise. Our club has deserved plenty of criticism this year, but they don’t deserve it for last night.

Bob's Mexican Cousin

Too many fans are going full Piers Morgan Collins!

Dawn

Apologies I cannot like any sentence contain that cretins name!

janine

Are u on the drink or something , its the fans that pay to see the players play, they play what once a week or twice a week , why should the fans be happy with the action we are seeing ,is not a 50 or 70 min game its a 90 min game.They got to show up the fans do and these games aint cheap, forget the photos and play the game

Southpaw74

Yer they played well for the first 55min, but why the fuck aint they putting that kind of effort week in week out in the prem,there’s not one player that got the mental strength of any player of 2004,

Fireman Sam

Mate I hear you, but then I remember that we lost 10-2.

Ten goals. You just don’t let that happen under any circumstances. It’s ridiculous.

Jammyman

Thank you, Dan. Finally someone with some common sense!

Just because you’re losing doesn’t mean you open yourself up to a complete humiliation. Especially on the back of some really disastrous results. And especially knowing how mentally fragile this side are.

How some people think it’s better to down 5-1 at home rather than try and restore some pride in adversity is absolutely beyond me.

Jokerekoj

@ Futsboller above,

You have been a shining light (in this shithole) the past few weeks. Your posts stand out.

Frankly I don’t know why you bother, however.

olujedai

“Shutting up shop” is part of defending. It is not the same as throwing in the towel. Why not soak up all the pressure and then hope for a counter attack or two to reduce the deficit, or even obtain a respectable scoreline?

How will you be a man down, 4 goals behind a team who has clearly been superior and still pursue a gung-ho approach? What did you think will happen?

Futsboller

When you need 4 goals to overturn a massive deficit, ‘shutting up shop’ is throwing in the towel. Our bread and butter is attacking football, and we were winning the game last night (my goodness, didn’t we look like Arsenal again?!), and the players, for once, looked confident that they could get the result by pressing and attacking. They were passing, moving, linking up, pressing, and supporting one another in tricky situations. We were a team again. That they held on to that idea, that belief, for 23 minutes after the red card and 78 minutes of absurd officiating (not to mention a smattering of poisonous fans), is commendable. Of course the team knew that they would get exposed, but they took on the challenge and suffered the humiliation for us.

Ashburton Red

you ‘Shut up shop’ to defend a lead. Not chase a game.

Mootilated

shut up shop when the game is lost.. you do not concede 5 goals. there is losing and losing with dignity

Dougie Smyth

Absolutely correct mate! The problem is, if we say ANYTHING about the incompetence of the inexperienced referee, people would jump on us for making “excuses”! At 1-0 + a penalty NOT awarded to us, who knows what would have happened! We would probably still have been knocked out, but the red giving them a dodgy penalty and Kos getting a red card absolutely KILLED the game. Onwards and upwards. ##COYG

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

I am happy to read of this ‘incident’. I support Sanchez if he had a go at players. Its good to know that someone is as fed up of the gutless displays as the fans.

Wenger killed the club with his 4th place is a trophy nonsense, years ago. Champs’ league qualification shouldn’t be an end in itself or a target before the start of the season. Champs’ League qualification should be nothing more than a by-product of a good season where you challenged for the title.

Simply targeting 4th place was the end of the club’s ambition.

Finishing 4th without challenging for the title, is no better or different than finishing 17. You just get to stay in the league the following season, thats all.

The only ‘extra’ you get by targeting 4th place finishes is that you get to make up the numbers in the Champs’ League. That ain’t no trophy for sure.

Enough with this nonsense. Wenger has systematically destroyed the club in the past few years, setting imaginary nonsensical targets to achieve.

He was great and he will always have a place in Arsenal’s history for sure. However his initial achievements don’t entitle him to throw the club down the drain, like he is doing right now.

He has shown incredible naivety in the transfer market and has regularly sold our best players to rivals (RvP, Sagna, Clichy, Nasri). Who the hell does that.

The teams that he has assembled have lacked any semblance of character and courage and pride. They have regularly caved in under pressure and underdelivered.

He has failed to get the best out of his players consistently, season after season, as evidence by the fact that players have one great season and then slide down again. If a player can play at a higher level, then its the manager’s job to keep him there.

Arshavin, Ramsay and now Ozil are glaring examples of that.

His teams are gutless on the field, and this culture of taking things easy starts from the top. Wenger knows he is not getting sacked no matter what he does, and his inconsistent players know that they will be around as long as Wenger is there because their inconsistency and mediocrity is something Wenger has no problem with.

There is just no accountability at the club at any level. The 2nd half of Wenger’s tenure has been an utter failure.

Enough with this nonsense. Wenger needs to go.

As expected its been downhill since then.

Alex

Sanchez is on the pitch for any loss of the team and seeing his happiness when his team loses, i can’t see how a normal thinking fan can accept it!

Too Drunk To Be Offside
Too Drunk To Be Offside

We all need to smile sometimes to get through the tough times my friend. Sanchez is no different.

For me someone telling his team-mates they need to be better, is much preferable to sitting on the bench with a sad face, only to then put on the same gutless show match after match.

Southpaw74

Don’t no why u got 👎 to drunk, like you say, can you imagine TONY ADAMS in this team,, he WOULD be giving his team a right going at,, and we would like that cos he’s a leader, and yet people on here moaning about Sanchez kicking off

Bring Back Seaman

… given our form in the league this year.. and the fact we still have at least 3 of the top 6 teams still to play.. (semi finals of FA cup might be another top 6 side) i would settle for 4th right now.. and just move on to next season as fast as fucking possible.

Anyone else get the feeling the Players are going Full Leicester and doing Wenger in the back?

We have 1 Premier League winner, 3 champions league winners, and all of the are international players.

BarryFryForManaget

It’s nearer the first 3rd of his tenure was successful.

Runzac

Loosers close shop and park the bus – winners mentality says you go for it at all costs. Yes at all costs – 10-2 are just numbers.

SwissArse

10:2 are not just numbers, it’s speaks volumes, like a 8:2 at Manu U an so on. We need to open up our eyes, I’m afraid. It’s a disaster, it’s unprecedented in the club history in such a short time and has been for years.

Godfrey Twatschloch

The game was lost the moment Kos was marched off the pitch so who gives a fuck how we lost it? Go out swinging or stay in the trenches for the odd cheap pop? It was lost either way.

AusDrexler

100% Godfrey. If it was a league game, then sure try and salvage something like a decent draw or a very narrow loss… but in a 2 legged tie with the team needing to score 4 the team ahs to try and pull off a miracle. These same fans would be sitting ehre going off at the team if they held on for a 1-1 because they didnt try hard enough, didnt have a go, werent up for the fight etc etc. The simple fact is the team had to score goals, and that meant they were left open at the back. I support and applaud them 100% for having a go when it was clear the opportunity to score 4 goals and progress was a lost cause.

IamaGoober

By coming out and saying what he is saying. He is completely undermining what Arsene has already said during the week about there not being a bust up on the training field. Like he is such a dope.

I cant believe the PR stuff being leaked about Sanchez either, its so obviously coming directly from the club. Its like, oh yeah, here is Alexis the guy that’s working his nuts off, scoring all of Arsenal’s goals, practically being Arsenal FC on his own… and you’ve got John Cross coming out and saying ‘apparently the other players don’t like him, he is a really difficult character on the training ground bla bla.’

We’ve got the best player in the Premier League, working harder then anyone else in the squad, and the club are trying to say he’s a bad apple? Like are they joking?

Well you know what, good. I’m glad he is. Someone has to be setting an acceptable level of performance, and effort, at training and on match days, and then demanding that the rest of the squad try to meet the same benchmark. Because nobody else is doing it. Arsene and the coaches certainly aren’t. Nobody in the rest of the squad is doing. So I’m glad he is digging out the other players for being completely off the pace the whole time and saying that its unacceptable.

And that’s what last night was, just a total capitulation when everybody gave up, there was no pride for the shirt, there was nothing.

RedCurrabt

Damn it Don, your comment has left me searching for the ‘one thumb up one thumb down’ button.

Over to you Blogs…

Nullvinho

At 6-2, the side leading will play keep-ball, so where does counter attacking come into the picture? Imagine the reaction in the stadium too if a side parks the bus at 2-6 down.. The last two months have been shite, last night not entirely so

SwissArse

I am blaming the manager for chasing a lost game when down to ten man and get a even more demoralising result, which can result in a crisis. It shows a complete disorientation with no plan b.

215Arse

Bottom line, we should not be in this situation. Ever. But the fact is we’re miles away right now. The players flat out aren’t good enough. Compare the two squads from last night’s match. The gap in talent is massive. Furthermore, with our less than stellar squad, we need a master tactician, motivator type manager. Which we haven’t got. Surely a better manager would not have been turned over so easily.

Nasris wallet

Off topic but is Danny ok?

Vonnie

He was ill, not injured, so hopefully OK

Lula da Gilberto

Completely with you on this. The tie is over. They fucked it up in the first leg, the ref fucked it up in the second. Just go for it.

Southpaw74

Yes pedant,defend, no chance of winning when they went three one up so park the bus and keep a decent score line, but we don’t no how to do that cos wenger don’t do defending just attacking football, when he joined he was given the best back 5 in the league and Campbell was last that was taught by Adams when Campbell left last of old school and our defence got worse every year

Daniel Davidson

Whatever happens can we stop giving Rio Ferdinand ammunition to gun us down with. Hate that C🎶Nt!

Jorin

Hate to be a cynic here. But how often have Arsenal players said that they need to fight for the sake of the club and Wenger, and promptly proceeded to let everyone down?

Let’s hope this is not another false promise.

JoeBloggs

This team has no fight as the manager has no fight. Every fucking week he talks about mental strength – but beating a team that is worse than you is not mental strength, its higher ability. When is the last time Arsenal beat a team better than them? Chelsea when their were shit? Leicester last year?

Le Jim

I think this is the third week in a row where I’ve read a player say Arsene has been taking all the flak and that the player need to step up and play for him… Why isn’t it happening?

David C

I 10-2 agree with you 🙂

vnet

never too soon, eh ?

Harold Hinney

Haven’t we heard this “We need to come out fighting” before??? Seems like a line of crap to me!

vnet

He’s just saying that what needs to happen. Does not necessarily mean that it will happen. More of a hope than a promise.

David McCarthy

I love my club, I’m attached to it and I’ll remain loyal to it, always. But I’m bored, just bored of going to Emirates, watching a leaderless team of variously motivated but undoubtably talented players. But mostly bored of Wenger, his excuses, his delusion and the way he is systematically destroying what was once a legendary legacy. Go now, please, with whatever honour you have left.

Baj

“Who knows what the manager will do?” … exactly.

Sanchez's Dog Groomer
Sanchez's Dog Groomer

Shame…Shame….Shame…Shame…

spinner

Theo knows by saying this, he makes Wenger look like a liar.
I suppose if we are being logical, he did lie about it.

Harold Hinney

What time is it…..it’s 10 past 2, not quit my butt!!

vino

The gag is ’10 to 2′. 10 past 2 is not a score line. If you’re going to repeat this world class joke for the millionth time at least get it right.

JustBrowsing

I don’t often dislike comments on here, but when I do it’s ones like yours.
Congratulations Harold!

Don

“Things have happened,” he told Standard Sport. “They need to stay in the dressing room and the players and staff need to sort it out. ”
Why say it at all then. Sick of players constantly coming out after embarrassing performances like this. Would be a lot better if nothing was said, and they got together and worked hard on the next game. It’s the same stroty after we string a few wins together, Walcott and the likes talking about unity and mental strength. Less of the interviews and social media and disgraceful displays, and more professional performances.

fagyisrobi

“I don’t really want to go into it…”

You just fucking did. 😐

loose_cannon

But of course if the players didn’t come out you’d accuse them of hiding behind the manager

YabaDabaDude

I don’t think Theo was not breaking any news with that comment. It has already been widely reported.

Liam Bradys left peg

They sure do like to talk the talk. Such a shame they cant walk the walk. Well not for 90+mins anyway. Wenger out kroenke out

I hope Mourinho gets punched in the throat
I hope Mourinho gets punched in the throat

Anyone else wish the team just give the media a blackout and start responding on the pitch? The loses are fucking annoying but they are made worse by the players coming out saying the same old shit they say when we lose! I really hate the 10-2 jokes doing the rounds

mpls

They are required by the league and television contracts to give interviews. That’s why I just don’t understand all of the comments about ‘they should just shut up’ and ‘do your talking on the pitch’ blah blah blah.

Do you think Wenger and the players actually are just itching to go talk to television reporters after some of these matches? They’re not going to come out and air their laundry in the media, and that’s nothing they should do. Yup, Wenger told a tall one to stop the questions.

Basically these repeated statements are the rules compliant way of doing a media blackout or saying fuck off with the questions. Say nothing surprising, give them nothing. They make up enough on their own so they should just go do that and be seen for doing so.

Public Elneny Nmber One
Public Elneny Nmber One

I’ve worked for several companies over the years and everywhere i work there are incidents that happen and people who don’t agree / like / get on with each other and although yes it can have an affect everyone cracks on with it for the good of the team / company. But there again i’ve never been an over paid prima donna so what do i know?

BTW i can be even more toothless and useless in a football team for 1/2 what thse guys get paid if they want to sign me?

Mark

We need to come out fighting the opponents in matches instead of coming out and throwing our hands up each time someone we don’t like doesn’t pass us the ball.

romford pele

Yesterday I read a stack of comments to say ‘I just want effort etc blah blah. Now what I saw last night (and I’m no expert, just a fan who knows what he’s seen for 28 years on a pitch) was maximum effort, concentration, application, strength and tactics. Be reasonable, that absolute fuckwit behind the goal broke the remaining hope the players had, i can assure you id be drained inside too. They carried on with a hole in the team for no fault of their own and that was heartbreaking as a fan, let alone being on there. If that 53 mins is the blueprint for things to come, I’ll take it please. Alot of things at the Arsenal need to change, but one we can control is how grateful and classy we can be. The rest is down to Wenger wether we like it or not, trust me he wont leave us in a mess…….but we just might

spinner

Blogs, I watched the post match press conference and Wenger said a few things which were highly concerning:
1) When asked what needed to change, his reply was “What do you mean by that? The club is good shape.”
2) He also said “we dealt with situation with pride and commitment”

When you hear things like this from the manager, it just adds to the already concerning situation. Don’t you feel you should be reporting when things like this are said?
And also, please could I be removed from moderation list as I am unable to interact and fully participate in discussion with other commenters. Thank you.

Futsboller

Were you not satisfied with how we set up, with our tactics and player support of one another, and how we attacked the game last night? If we think of the team as a boxer, we were winning the bout on points until we got caught with a cheap shot in the 55th minute that did some serious internal damage, and yet we kept up with the same fighting approach despite another beating coming our way from a bruising opponent who we’d otherwise kept neutralized. We took another heavy, unprotected shot in the 68th, and still continued to press, until the unrecoverable shot landed in the 78th. It’s never fun to see our team go to the mat so many times, but for cryin’ out loud they fought last night despite the odds, despite the fans who felt unable to support them, despite their opponent’s clear weight and reach advantage, and despite the incompetent officiating. Why we are talking about anything else other than that is truly disappointing.

Vonnie

If we can play like we did for the first hour of that game we can beat anybody. I was shocked to see people complaining about the team not turning up,they most definately did turn up and they fought, against all the odds. I was actually proud of them and I think they should take a lot from that performance, despite the scoreline.

Newxieland

You guys are crap and you’ve been playing crap for a while.

Arsene goes way out of his way to defend you bunch of you spineless hissy throwing prima donnas whom all capitulate at the slightest wobble. There is no fight, no leadership and no spirit!

I hope you all get dropped for our next FA cup game! You can all sit in the naughty corner and reflect upon how crap you guys have been!

Dan

In all honesty as a team we played really well up until the penalty and sending off. After that we had no chance, at least they still tried. Sanchez was our worst player last night and if he’s gonna act like a spoilt brat he can go. I’d also like to see Arsene call it a day now before we finish out of the top 4 and below s****

Alex

The attitudes of Sanchez are a shame and a scandal! Plus his way to lose balls, miss timing and passes. I’d be a player, i’d be pissed off to take all the critics while this man who spits on his club doesn’t.

Stillmatic

The only good thing about yesterday is that people are finally accepting 4-3-3 without Ozil is the only option for our midfield.

Not blaming him for yesterday but just last week anyone who suggested dropping Ozil was negged to Bolivia, with the age old “you have to play your best player” schtick.

Our midfield has only looked 2-3 times in recent months, none of those involving Ozil. Xhaka, Ramsey and Ox provides cohesion, balance and offensive/defensive strength.

Now let’s give Perez a chance up top and go from there.

kaius

Think we have to accept that Low’s system of using Ozil wide for Germany is the best way to stay solid in the center if he’s going to stay in the starting line-up.

He can still have freedom to roam inside, but without a solid trio in midfield, the rest of this season could get even worse.

loose_cannon

That’s a big if though, who would you drop for him? He’s behind Sanchez, Walcott, Welbeck and Perez on the flanks, and barely ahead of Iwobi. I do think 4-3-3 is the way to go, been saying that since Cazorla’s injury. At least I think it suits the personnel and the way we’d like to play, high press and high line with a fluid front 3. A good template for the rest of the season, and perhaps for a new manager in the summer too

YabaDabaDude

Seems like a no brainer. I suspect that Wenger has been accommodating Ozil in the #10 role as a carrot to sign a new deal. I’d like him to re-sign, but if he doesn’t want to play wide then so be it, he can go.

Crash Fistfight

So after the WC when Ozil was getting put wide left everyone went mental and said “he’s a no.10, play him in the no.10 role” and now that’s the right thing to do and Arsene is wrong again?

All the talk of formations and who starts and who plays where is pissing in the wind.

More important than any of the stuff that us armchair managers can easily see is the stuff that goes on at the training ground. Things like how to move as a team, what to do when a teammate moves into a particular position, what to do when an opponent does/wants to do something, etc.

That is what’s lacking at Arsenal. That’s why the players look devoid of ideas. That’s why they ‘capitulate’ when the chips are down. That’s why they show no in-game management or tactical flexibility.

That’s why we need a new manager.

Faisal Narrage

Who went mental and said he should play as a no.10?
Certainly wasn’t the German media, they wanted him dropped completely, as they considered him a liability even on the left and not as influential.

Sure some people have demanded he be no.10, but they’ve been wrong and finally they’re accepting that.
In modern football, no top team functions with a dedicated no.10 anymore. Real Madrid sold him because they wanted to transition from a 4-2-3-1 into a 4-3-3. Only Ozil demands to really play as a no.10, and it seems Wenger promised him that.

There’s also a sense of irony in claiming formations doesn’t matter, it’s the other tactical stuff that does. Formation is the foundation of all the other tactical intricacies you mentioned.

You also can’t call us armchair managers, whilst then going into an armchair manager rant.

1fromcali

Low is being stubborn by keeping Ozil in his XI? Low doesn’t know what he’s doing? Ozil has been part of the last 2 WC cycles for Germany. He is world class talent.

I guess Germany has to overcome the liability of Ozil to win?

OlivijeŽiru

We played 4-4-2 at the start of the season with Sanchez and Ozil upfront and it worked just fine. Ozil was the highest player when we defended. It is not the problem with Ozil alone but together with Iwobi. They are the same types of players when it comes to defending. If we have possession we can afford that, if not you can’t play both of them.

loose_cannon

It worked up until we were figured out. Commit your midfield to press our DMs and we will struggle, especially without Cazorla. Certainly we won’t use the extra space on the flanks to do any damage on the counter. Luckily 75% of the league aren’t good enough to do that against us anyway for the most part (and Chelsea didn’t actually try when they played us at home, United and Spurs did and both were draws).

Faisal Narrage

Worked against who?
Didn’t work against Liverpool the first time. Only really worked against Chelsea who were clearly in transition.

It may work against the rest of the league, but the top 6-8 teams know that they just have to press ou3 2-man midfield and we’re toast. If you want to ignore all the evidence against that, then suits you.

But recall Wenger himself transitioned away from a 2-man midfield stating that very reason. Up until we got Ozil.

1fromcali

did you even watch the first Liverpool game?

Ozil didn’t even play in that game. You are soo biased. You don’t like Ozil ok we get it.

Hi-brid

Couldn’t someone at least have flattened Robben for me at some point during the two games?

Godfrey Twatschloch

There were a few who needed that. Vidal, Lewandowski, Cunty Ref and linesman who gave the red.

mpls

I wanted that too, but unfortunately those refs would have found two of our players to send off for one flattening. I don’t know how, but they would.

Anthony Barden

Anyone else thinking we could do with Per back? Yes he’s slow, but he’s not a headless chicken like Mustafi. Relying too much on Kos at the min. 2-1 with him on the pitch, 9-0 without over the 2 legs. Speaks volumes

Runzac

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/15118/10794349/alexis-sanchez-8217-s-running-and-sprint-stats-hint-at-arsenal-problem

Alexis is hailed by the majority of you guys for running immensely. Arsene was an idiot benching him. What Alexis does is an illusion. He sprints and waves in disgust that others dont press like him. That´s bollocks. The stats show that he runs far less then fellow teammates. One phonecall from China probably in december and we lost him then. Sorry but he´s going and it´s fine by me. No one is bigger then the team.

gee

I have had a feeling something is up those stats don’t look great and i always thought he was our hardest worker and ran the most. I noticed when he came on against liverpool the lack of effort and the general indifference he was displaying, i thought he was sulking cause he got dropped but with those stats and the training bust up , he appears to be on his way out. His attitude has been shite for a while now

YabaDabaDude

A great player and proven winner. We need more of those types not less, but everyone has a role to play and it seems that Alexis believes that he should be able to decide what that role is. If he’s going to continue to pout and point fingers, it’s probably best to get what we can for him this summer.

kaius

Since we’ve decided to sell Alexis for not running enough, what happens when we select some other players statistics for similar treatment?

Looking at Premier League stats, Giroud and Walcott have only scored 8 goals each this season. Our record signing Ozil has 4 assists (Ox also has 4 and Alexis has 9). Our “midfield generals”, Coquelin and Xhaka, average 2.8 and 2.7 tackles a game, but the best DM’s in the league like Gueye, Henderson and Kante average closer to 4.0. Petr Cech in his first season conceded more goals from outside the box than any other keeper in the league. He hasn’t improved much this season, and penalties awarded against us are a foregone conclusion.

Leaving out the younger players like Ox, Bellerin and Iwobi because we need to protect those guys.

Everyone’s angry right now and wants single out individuals but it’s a team sport. Yes the quality of our players (and our signings) needs to improve, but we have to recognise that the coaching and training is not getting the best out of what we have over the 38 game marathon.

Andy

Sanchez is a very good player. He isn’t a great player. Not in the same league as players like Bergkamp, Henry, Pires, RVP or Wrighty.

Ricky

Getting a little tired reading comments that suggest what happened after Kos’ sending off was some kind of brave, charge of the Light Brigade. It wasn’t. It was embarrassing.

1-1 with 10 men against Bayern would have been enough to restore what little pride we had left.

Instead, some daft substitutions and a total paucity of leadership beyond Kos saw us capitulate humiliatingly.

We’re the 5th richest club in the world and yet we’re further than at any point since 2006 of challenging the very best clubs.

I wonder if finishing 5th/6th and behind Sp*rs will be what it takes to make the very last, blinkered ‘Wenger Knows Best’ to realise that no manager or player is bigger than our club?

1fromcali

we could be the richest club in the world. it wouldn’t matter if the owner doesn’t want to spend money.

Trez

More talk as usual from you Theodore…if you had just squared the ball instead of trying to shoot from a tight angle, it would’ve been 2-0. At 27, your decision making is still so bloody juvenile. People will say I’m overreacting, but his and Oliver decision making cost us 2 goals in the first half.
I just want this season to be over with. Season started so brightly and look how shit it’s looking at the moment.
All it takes is an injury to a 32 year old Cazorla for our team in unravel.
In as much as I’m Wenger out, it’ll be sad if he was to bow out like this. He got let down by a lot of these “british core”.

loose_cannon

Bullshit, there was a clear block on from the defender, he was right to shoot. Or at least he could have cut back on his left but it would have been risky. And yes you really are overreacting. Not sure how Wenger has been let down by his British core when Ox has been our best player lately and Walcott was our best yesterday! Sick of the British players getting all the stick tbh

kaius

You simply cannot deny that better choices and execution from Giroud and Walcott should have had us up 3-0 at half-time. Ramsey ran hard as well but his decision-making in the final third was consistently bad.

It’s the Champions League, the standard gets higher every year. If other teams are better than you, you only beat them by getting the details right and we didn’t do that well enough in the first half.

loose_cannon

Yes if Giroud and Walcott were sensationally perfect and took all their chances with 100% accuracy, we’d be 3-0 up at half time of every game we play but that’s not how it works, for us or anyone else. You don’t normally score from every chance you get, just ask the Bayern players in the first half. Ramsey should have got an assist for Giroud too after some excellent play (admittedly that was a bad miss from someone who’s meant to be a specialist in the air).

Trez

Lame excuse.. go watch the highlights of the game again. He shouldn’t have shot. That was the wrong decision. Angle was too tight. As for Giroud, look at his chance again…Ramsey was clearly open. I don’t know what game you were watching.
Theo bottled it. Simple as that. Little things like these decides games.
The British core is a flop in general. Ox is only starting to play well. Ramsey has been injured and not too great when he played, Jack has been ok, Gibbs useless, Jenko useless, Walcott average.

kaius

Teams have won this competition without playing spectacular football (thinking of the Italian teams as well as CFC). But they took the important chances.

Mad but some of us believed in a comeback during that first half. Really felt like they could do it. That’s why our poor execution in attack was so disappointing.

And honestly if we weren’t a civilised fanbase, that incompetent ref and his goal-line assistant should never have left the stadium with their limbs intact.

Ya Da

cunts the lot of them

Runcorn Gooner

Is this TW speaking following approval from above?
Rhetoric,Rhetoric,Rhetoric.How about Action,Action,Action.
Anhilitate Lincoln and don’t be soft about it.We did soft against Sutton.
Then play the rest of the season as we did in the first half last night and we may all believe that you want AW to stay and win something.

Aleksander Włodarz

Yes it does seem strange but there were positives in that game – must watch it again … being from Poland makes it uncomfortable as i do think Lewandowski dived and got out poor Kos … it reminded me of that Kolo Toure incident against L’pool in CL years ago …

pedro

Alexis’ strops are tiresome. We’ve seen better players with better attitudes.
That said, if the rest of the squad had any self respect and respect for a manager they all owe a lot to they’d all pull their fucking finger out.
Kroenke is the biggest ingrate and underperformer of the lot.
For all Wenger’s many failings he has been massively let down time and again.

Smeirf

We can easily divert the heat towards the players – and yes, the team is mentally fragile and isn’t too well balanced, But god damn it – Only one person was in charge of building that squad.
Saying that they dissapoint him is not all their fault – some of them are just not good enough.

shokim

We need to pull our socks up and do our talking on the pitch. If we don’t, at this rate we’ll get knocked out by non-league Lincoln City in the FA Cup. Scary thought but that’s the truth.

GunnerYY

I can’t see that happening mate, eventhough we are shit against Munchen, we still decent against non league club like lincoln, it’ll be an easy game like Sutton.

shokim

We shouldn’t be over-confident as our team’s psyche is utterly fragile right now.

Ars

#wenger_out

indrossi

Why do people hashtag on places that aren’t twitter?

Ars

Wenger out

Devon

Last night is not the issue… Lots of teams get beaten by the German giants; the manner in which we were utterly gobsmacked is a sign of where we are as a club currently but this rot set in WAAAAAAYYY ago…

Dropping points at home to ‘Boro is the issue…
Losing to Watford at home is the issue…
Getting bullied by Liverpool TWICE is the issue…
Mentally slipping against Everton in the 86th minute is the issue…
Playing like muppets and losing to City is the issue…
Getting utterly dismantled by Chelsea is the issue…

I could go on bit whats the point? This team has no leader on the pitch; I’ll put that on Arsene not having a true captain in the squad that is available to play; from Vermaelen to Arteta to Mertesacker our captain is usually long-term injured and unavailable to lead.

I could also bang on about transfers; paid more for Xhaka than chelsea did for N’Golo Kante, waited until after the season started to bring in Mustafi to apparently haggle over the transfer fee, starting two inexperienced CB’s against Liverpool because of dithering, Bought Perez for £17m but won’t play him… I could keep going but why?

Top down change is needed. I’m talking Kroenke, KSM, Gazidis, Wenger, Keswick, Law…. Hell… Half of the players are deadwood and aren’t playing up to the level… wholesale change… Winter is Coming

1fromcali

do you know if Kante was available at the time Xhaka was acquired? I think Xhaka came in at 30m while Kante was above that. Do you really think if Chelsea wanted him that they wouldn’t have outbid us for him anyways.

GunnerYY

Arsenal oh Arsenal, journalist said there was a bust up between players, then Wenger and Pires said nothing happened, and now Walcott come out and says something happened at dressing room. After last night hummiliation, Boards, Manager, Coaching stuff, and Players needs to sort things out. we can’t keep continue like this, at least finish top 4 this season so the new successor can build his team this summer easier.

Heihaci

Stfu Theo and stop being incosistent in patches!

Heihaci

Dont worry guys about competing. Remember the club made profit!

pound4pound

Walcott: Things have happened on the training ground.

Do those things include learning defensive discipline?

John C

Walcott’s broken ranks and exposed Wenger as a liar.

It looks like the players have give up on him now, and hopefully help push Wenger out the door once and for all.

Crash Fistfight

Yeah, why should they be professional when they can be vindictive and force their manager out the door? Maybe the board should take ownership of the footballing affairs of the club and act themselves instead of letting everyone else make the decision for them.

John C

I absolutely agree, but for Walcott to public undermine the manager and expose him as a liar is not a positive sign. Why would he come out with that statement if not to embarrass and undermine him? Only 2 days ago Wenger said that absolutely nothing happened.

Wenger should have been sacked last night if not the latest this morning, but if the board aren’t going to make the decision then the fans and players are the only one’s who can force the issue.

Yankee Gooner

Maybe he would admit this to implicate Sanchez, whom I would assume is losing the dressing room faster than Wenger?

Vonnie

Theo can’t help himself, he’s honest and open and has to share the news, like the secret meeting that’s oops not secret anymore, remember. Theo doesn’t do malicious gossip, he just lets things slip because he can’t keep secrets and wants to share.

John C

Theo is highly press trained and not as stupid as he pretends. He could have said nothing but didn’t, it’s not a mistake, the players are smelling blood.

Mark

One of the best things that could come from this year will hopefully be a thinning of the fan base. If we could lose some of the ranting idiots who see every defeat as an existential crisis, the opportunists looking to monetize their ‘fandom’ through websites and podcasts and TV shows, and the ex-players who will happily stick the knife into the club for a few quid, it would be a substantial improvement. It was a lot more fun to be an Arsenal fan in 1985 even though we were hopeless. To quote Dennis Bergkamp: “Do you really love Arsenal, or just Arsenal with trophies? When you start supporting a football club, you don’t support it because of the trophies, or a player, or history, you support it because you found yourself somewhere there; found a place where you belong.”

John C

Hopefully a lot of the Arsene fan’s will go along with him don’t you mean?

AP

Hopefully that means you go lie down in a box.

Mike

We as Arsenal fans have to ask ourselves how many times do we want to get humiliated again. There is no team in top football in Europe that has been humiliated so many times in the last 5 years. Just ask yourself why this could be. Complete restructuring is necessary for next year. That includes a new manager and several players to be replaced.

1fromcali

whats top football? I don’t think Arsenal is top 8 in Europe. to me that is tier 1 then there is tier 2 thats where Arsenal sadly belongs. Until Kroenke changes or sells which neither looks likely we will forever be stuck in tier 2 hopefully not lower.

Skinnyarse

Sanchez is over rated, why do you think Barca got rid of him.

Skinnyarse

The bust up was from a bad tackle in training by Kos, so Alexis being a little woman that he is at the moment ran off to the dressing room crying.

Anthony

Not sure that sexist comments are prohibited on the block, read the comment policy.

santori

You can’t fault Alexis because he tries so hard.

Its fair for him to question the attitude of the others but Wenger must (and is trying to) not make Alexis think he is more important than everyone-else.

This is a team game.

As the gaffer has pointed out, there have been games where Alexis has been largely ineffective.

Anthony

Pleased Theo has come out in support of the manager, reiterating that we need to pull together.

The performance last night was decent, and we looked frighteningly good at times in the first half.

The referee completely killed the tie, was intent on he and his staff imposing themselves on the game.

Regardless of the first leg, we showed character and I was impressed not only by Theo, but by Chamberlain, Bellerin and Ramsey also. All showed that if in fact Ozil and Sanchez leave, there will be others to take their place. So credit to them.

The red card for Koscielny was the turning point, I actually don’t care about the overall score line, we lost, in both games the work Koscielny does in organising the defence shone through as without him, the back four were a shambles positionally and not disciplined.

Which leads onto my next point, as good as Mustafi has been, he needs to deputise in a more commanding way when his chief partner is missing in matches. Kos and Per shared the responsibility, its upto Mustafi to show he can organise the defence and keep them disciplined. At the moment, in those scenarios I’m less than convinced by him.

Midfield was good, Chamberlain did extremely well, that central spot he needs to make his as it’s where he is most effective. Ramsey and Xhaka looks reasonably good together also.

Giroud has to his to hit the target for me. Especially in these big games – you do get a lot of chances.

Theo was excellent throughout and had a real go and causing them problems.

Sanchez, was ok, not his usual self, head is clearly somewhere else. Will he stay, I don’t know.

I want the team to really rally over the next few months got a lot left to play for in the FA Cup and making some ground up for the top 4 — we won’t win it, but definitely need to qualify for Champions League.

And Wenger, for me, needs to stay. Can’t have this be the end, not after everything over the last 20 years.

And finally, we need to be united as a fan base. Support the team and manager until the end of the season, but producing a toxic atmosphere is not going to work.

Win, Lose or Draw we are Arsenal.

Dawn

Don’t know how you can criticise Giroud. None of the three were clear cut chances. He did well for Theo’s goal, causing a distraction. Apart from that I give your post a thumbs up!

Anthony

On Giroud: heads over when it was easier to head it down, hits the base of the post far too often.

It’s not the first time, it won’t be the last. But he is the least of my worries tbh, least he generally plays like he cares.

Thank you for the thumbs up anyway, I fully expect my continued backing of Wenger will get many a thumb down. I don’t really care about that tbh!

santori

Damage was all done first leg.

Whether we won the second leg 2-nil, lost it by a goal or got trashed again was moot particularly since Ref sending Koscielny off for a 50-50 effectively killed the competition.

Giroud tried but the ball was going behind him and he could not get the angle.

Personally thought it was a good thing we played GIroud because he held the ball and brought players like Walcott in and we had the added threat of him heading from crosses.

Alexis I felt did not do half as much as Giroud during the game. He has had a bit of a tendency to view others as lacking effort and tries to do too much individually at times. Its half and half because you can’t really blame him for others losing the ball but he also tends to lose his fair share of the ball.

We need to put the previous two VERY poor results behind us and renew efforts because there is still so much at stake.

Wenger doesn’t have to say there is a problem in the dressing room, if some players would like to mention it to exonerate some of the hefty blame many are putting on the gaffer, that’s fair.

What Wenger needs to do and is trying to do is to put the team back together and make sure they are playing as a unit. NO one player is more or less important.

We are ONLY as strong as our WEAKEST link.

santori

I think we have to be a bit lucid without the rage with regards our competitiveness in the CL.

1) We have never been a powerhouse in Europe even before Wenger

2) That said, the money we have sunk in, it is right for the fans to expect more than just qualifying every season and going out limply in the knock out stage.

3)We have been reasonably decent this season topping the table just ahead of PSG.

4) We are as always unfortunate to draw one of the TOP 3 in the world (Barca and RM being the others)

5) That said, we have to be able to beat these teams or at least be close competitors if we even harbour any illusions of winning the thing.

6) More worrying we have been poor against our peers in the league too. We did OK in this regard last season but this season we have not delivered. The belief seems extremely fragile.

7) Added to that, all this talk about bust ups on the training pitch clearly have not helped the team in this critical juncture. Wenger is correct that the sum of all parts is even more IMPORTANT than any individual.

8) And that includes Alexis who as Wenger has rightly pointed out is an essential player but he has also had his moments when he has been less than effective. Point in case against Bayern just last night. He was largely ineffective.

What is importan, is for the team to put all ill feelings aside and work for each other to end of campaign.

That goes for the fans too. Now is NOT the time for banners and protest.

The big prizes have annoyingly eluded us yet again but we have still a lot of work to do to finish with our minimum standard which is NOT a guarantee.

We still need to finish top 4 or higher or any rebuild be it Wenger lasts eason or a new gaffer will be made more difficult (and expensive)

We still need to fight for the FA cup which again despite opposition like Lincoln is not a given particularly in current form.

We still need to finish above Spurs.

Don’t get pulled apart by the media and their crisis maufacturing. They will pounce on this sort of dissent both on the training pitch and in the fan base.

We are a different club with class. We have an extraodinary manager who has in recent decade flattered to deceive and may well be on his way out but deserves huge respect. We have a long term view for the club and should not be panicked into appointing anyone.

Class is permanent.

Get united.

COYG.

Dfinking

Koscielny won 2-1 on agg.

GoonerSmurf

maybe the club and the fans has indulged him and his flaws for too long. if players fail him is because he has allowed them too. if they they are not responding to him then thats failure on his part. if the players are not executing his plans and strategies then indicative of is failure to convince. point is the man is on the highest paid in the world, more than Ancelotti and yet, yet…

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