Arsenal from Crystal Palace to Crystal Palace: by the numbers

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Arsenal beat Crystal Palace 2-0 on 1 January 2017 and lost 3-0 to Crystal Palace on 10 April 2017. Here are the numbers for that run.

The first 18 matches
18 – Matches Arsenal played before Crystal Palace on 1 January 2017
18 – Goals Arsenal allowed in those 18 matches (not counting own goals)
21 – Expected goals conceded by Arsenal in this period (in other words, Arsenal allowed three fewer goals than average based on the shots that the opposition took)
10.3 – Shots allowed per game
3.5 – Shots on goal allowed per game
9 – Percent of their shots the opposition were converting before January
18 – Interceptions per game
13 – Tackles per game
13 – League matches Francis Coquelin started before 1 January 2017

38 – Goals scored by Arsenal in those first 18 matches (still not counting own goals)
32 – Expected goals for Arsenal (in other words, Arsenal scored six more goals than average based on the shots that they took)
2 – Goals per game Arsenal averaged
17 – Shots per game Arsenal averaged
5 – Shots on goal per game by Arsenal
12 – Successful Dribbles per game by Arsenal
11 – Key passes per game by Arsenal
55 – Percent possession on average in this period
84 – Pass completion percent in this period

The next 12 matches
20 – Goals Arsenal have allowed since 1 January 2017
14 – Expected goals conceded in those 12 matches (in other words, Arsenal have conceded 6 more goals than we would expect based on averages for the shots taken against them)
12.1 – Shots allowed per game
5.3 – Shots on goal allowed per game
14- Percent of their shots the opposition are converting in these 12 matches
12 – Interceptions per game
13 – Tackles per game
4 – League matches Coquelin has started since 1 January 2017

20 – Goals scored by Arsenal in the last 12 matches
21 – Expected goals scored by Arsenal in the last 12 matches (in other words, are you really reading this?
1.7 – Goals per game average by Arsenal in this period
15 – Shots per game average
5 – Shots on goal per game average
13 – Successful dribbles per game by Arsenal in this period
11 – Key passes per game by Arsenal in this period
57 – Percent of possession by Arsenal in this period
84 – Percent pass accuracy by Arsenal in this period

What we have seen here is that Arsenal’s fortunes have flipped: whereas before January Arsenal were scoring more than expected and conceding less than expected, they are now score as expected and conceding more than they should.

It’s pretty clear to me that since January Arsenal’s offence is performing about as expected. 1.7 goals per game is not great and 15 shots per game is pretty poor and both are slight decreases from the pre-January high water mark. I attribute the fall in Arsenal’s goals per game and expected goals rates to the fact that Arsenal’s shots in prime (the area right in front of goal in 12 yard radius) has dropped from 3.5 per game to 2.3 and that Arsenal’s Big Chances (the one-on-one shots, etc) have dropped from 2.2 per game to just 1.6.

But the defense has gone south quick and is now conceding an extra .5 goal per match than they would be if they were an average Premier League side.

Many Arsenal supporters wanted Coquelin dropped throughout this season in order to increase Arsenal’s offensive output and Wenger obliged, benching the Frenchman after a string of lacklustre performances in December. After Coquelin was relegated to a bit role, however, we see a drop in Arsenal’s defensive workrate (interceptions are down) and stability as the opposition have nearly doubled their shots on goal per game output and increased their finishing by 50%.

Ironically, Arsenal’s offense also got worse with Coquelin on the bench and while I’m not saying Coquelin added to Arsenal’s offense, I do think it’s funny that the guy that everyone wanted dropped so that Arsenal could score more gets dropped and suddenly Arsenal score less.

Defensively Arsenal’s expected goals allowed per game are actually down from the sunny pre-January days. It’s tempting to point to that lower expected goals number and higher conversion rate and say “see, Arsenal are just unlucky and don’t need someone in midfield to cover for the defense.” However, the higher the rate of conversion, the fewer shots teams have to take and since “expected goals” is just a fancy way of saying that more shots = more goals we often see teams “overperform” relative to expected goals when they are converting at a high rate.

So I’m not taken the wrong way, this post is NOT a “proquelin” post. I don’t think that he was or is Arsenal’s answer to the midfield conundrum. However, we have hard evidence that dropping him did none of the things that people wanted it to do and in fact after he was dropped, the Arsenal defense became measurably softer and the Arsenal offense measurably weaker.

And if you look at Elneny’s defensive line today, where he made just one tackle and had just one interception along with Xhaka who had 3 tackles and 0 interceptions, while Wilf Zaha completed 8/11 dribbles through Arsenal’s soft as a sow’s ear midfield, you can’t help but wonder if Arsenal are crying out for a player who is 50% Elneny and 50% Coquelin. And hopefully the 50% of each player that isn’t the shit bits.

I’m not suggesting that Wenger should revert back to playing with Coquelin in midfield nor that any one player in the answer or the goat, the entire team has dropped mentally and physically since that 3-3 draw against Bournemouth. Whomever you want to blame, Arsenal aren’t creating enough and aren’t covering their defenders well enough. And that, for me, isn’t just down to one or two players, that’s the whole team. And that’s the manager’s fault.

@7amkickoff

Source: my database

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Macklemore

Perhaps a line by line comparison (similar to what you’ve done before) would work better for this post.

i.e.
– 18 interceptions before 1 Jan
– 12 interceptions after 1 Jan

Faisal Narrage

“you can’t help but wonder if Arsenal are crying out for a player who is 50% Elneny and 50% Coquelin”

You mean the elusive and mythical DM the fans and the media have been calling out for almost a decade? The type of player Wenger himself actively says he doesn’t want as he doesn’t like dedicated DMs (and is now tending Coquelin into a shit B2B player)? That player?

Shoot what’s next? Next you’ll claim we need a strong, and physical CB with leadership qualities to fight against the likes of Benteke.

Basically, this team has been built to Arsene’s vision. I mean FFS, Theo as captain is the personification of everything wrong with the mentality of this team that Wenger has created. From Adams and Vieira to Theo. That dude is sooooooft, and the whole team is soft.

Gunnya

Arsenal under Arsene is analogous to the simpsons- a brilliant first ten years, and then it went downhill

Sean

The thing about the Emirates years is that the majority of them (in my opinion anyway) though certainly not always enjoyable, have actually been quite well managed. But the past year and a half or so has been absolutely awful. No excuses for the state we’re in now without the financial restrictions of the first six or seven years at the emirates. This falls on the manager and a board who can’t be fucked to do anything about him.

locksley444

Sean my friend, we got 4th place every season and I definitely don’t scoff at that. It’s helped us in a huge way to overcome the stadium move and the financial burden that came from it. However, there have been a number of shortcomings. Mostly managerial too.

Recruitment and scouting: As a club, we’re known for dilly-dallying while other clubs swoop for players. Now I’ll accept defeat if Chelsea/City/United have an interest in the same player because they pay more. However, we shouldn’t be losing out to Southampton or West Ham, let alone Liverpool or Leicester right?

Southampton purchased Virgil Van Dijk when we were linked with him for a few weeks prior. He’s 6’4, strong aerially and comfortable on the ball. We paid more for Gabriel a year or two later.

West ham bought Cheikh Kouyate for less than 10 million. He was linked to us too. He’s a tireless box to box runner, can’t be bullied off the ball easily. A more direct threat than Elneny.

This summer, Mahrez will likely be open to a move. We only really have Theo Walcott in that right wing position. Please don’t tell me Ramsey/Ox can play there. Mahrez is not the hot player of the current season so interest in him is lower than before. He will add more ball retention, better passing and he’s been defensively good too from what little I’ve seen. If we get a march on the other teams, we can get him.

We need a better lb than Kieran Gibbs. Monreal will be in decline in 2-3 seasons at best. Imagine planning from now to get a Lb that can be a rotation option right now, and be fully settled and ready in 2 years.
There are 3 solid options. Benjamin Mendy is hot property so we won’t get him, but there’s still Jose Gaya and Ricardo Rodriguez. We should be able to beat the other clubs to one of them. This is the kind of foresight and planning we’ve lacked. Plan before your players are decline, don’t play players out of their positions, let the average/below average options go, and start talking to potential signings before the end of the season. We may not be the best financial option for them, but combine money with our eagerness to sign and it should get us better results.

Spanish Gooner

I still think the biggest change is the decision to move the best striker in the league to the left wing, so that a guy who had never hit double figures in the PL (and has 0 goals this year) could play up front

ForeignGooner

Welbeck scored against Liverpool so not 0 goals.

Faisal Narrage

His point still stands.
Sanchez as CF was working; he was scoring and assisting. Brought out the best in Theo and even Ozil.

Why did Wenger feel the need to change it? Worse yet, why does he still refuse to go back to it? It’s not like his new set up is working exactly is it?

But why does Wenger do whatever he does tactically?
This is a manager who seems hellbent of always playing with 2 small and fast CBs. Tried it with Gallas-Toure, didn’t work. Tried it with Gallas-Verm, didn’t work. Tried it with Verm-Kos, didn’t work. Was forced back into the classic big man-little man set up every other team uses with Per-Kos and that worked (Kos is as slow as an oil tanker doing a 3-point turn, but the idea is to get someone similar and better). But what does he do? He returns back to Kos-Mustafi/Gabriel to do exactly what hasn’t worked for a decade again.

Early Mournings with Arsenal
Early Mournings with Arsenal

Go back and have a look at the results of the last 5 games playing Sanchez at 9 and the reason for moving him wide are easy to see as being result driven. Sanchez at 9 was scrapped after we lost consecutive games in late December and then when he was tried again this year at 9 we have lost.
But the problem wasn’t and isn’t Sanchez and where he is playing. If the defence and midfield continue to play as they have this year it really doesn’t matter where Sanchez plays. In saying that I too would like to see Sanchez back at 9 as Welbeck is not the finished(ing) article and we may just manage to lose games 3-1 instead of 3-0 with Sanchez up top.

locksley444

Agree with your point about Defensive pairing. I mentioned in another comment about how we were linked with Van Dijk(6’4 and comfortable on the ball) for weeks before Southampton bought him around 12mil. He’s now rumored to be worth around 30 million,and that’s a conservative figure.

Dawn

If it was working so well how come we needed Giroud to be Supersub and do in 20 minutes what sanchez couldn’t do in 90?

Old Boy Gunner

Anf still the Wengernistas will continue their support of Wenger… As he gradually takes us into the Championship!

Clins

That is the toughest part. Even carrager who is not even an arsenal fan understands that a change is needed. But some us require want arsenal to finish at the bottom of the table yo realize we need a better manager.

salmok

still…woudl rather lose all these gutless players and kroenke than wenger.

wenger has proved to us his worth with titles, doubles europe stadium etc etc

what have these players offered? shown? or the owners?

clins

i’ve always been a fan of wenger and for what he has done still am . if wenger could’ve right the ship he would’ve done it by now , he just cant . you can blame whoever you want , the manager , the players , the owners but right now there is no other solution than to bring in new manager .

somethings just never works , raineri was a good manager who acheived the impossible , mourinho was a good manager , but both leicester and chelsea had to change their managers to reverse their fortune . right now we need one too

Dawn

You’re as clueless as carragher!

Stringer Bell

Is there any stats relating to hair. From the looks of it most of our players spent part of game day having their hair done. Theo Ox Ramsey Sanchez Giroud

Victor

Who else noticed that the team simply refused to acknowledge the presence of Giroud when he came on? Nothing changed tactically to try and take advantage of his strengths (however few and oftentimes ineffectual). The team didn’t look desperate to win or even take anything from the game. This has all the markings of Mourinho’s Chelsea last season. If Arsene survives this one, I will christen him Chuck Norris.

Gargoyle

I agree with you, except for the Giroud part. He is a great player and is quite effective.

locksley444

I don’t think his point is about how good/bad Giroud is. His point is more about the team not adapting tactically to Giroud being up top.

Mwansa

They often do that!Everytime,Giroud comes on its always the case,what’s the point of playing him if they can’t use him to his advantage?

FollowThe Money

Another number; 2. Times that Özil passed the ball straight out of play. Özil, FFS. He’s supposed to be £42m “King of the Assists” and he can’t even pass to a team-mate under no real pressure.

Faisal Narrage

He did make one blinding pass to a team mate.

Unfortunately he was a sub who had yet to actually come on.

Likes….WTF?

Loose_Cannon

50% Elneny and 50% Coquelin, 100% Kante? I’d also say Coquelin wasn’t just dropped due to his inability going forward but also after a string of woeful individual defensive performances against Watford, Chelsea, Bayern away and Liverpool. And really he’s only been dropped since Liverpool

PFo

Absolutely THIS.

1. Kante is the guy. Obviously we’re never going to get him, but Kante and Xhaka would make a superb partnership.
2. I know Tim explicitly said this wasn’t a pro-Coquelin post, but I really think the narrative above needs to be tweaked: it’s not just that Coquelin couldn’t pass the ball and so Wenger dropped him at the turn of the year (he also had an injury in January, remember). It’s that of those games he has played in (see loose_cannon’s comment), he’s not only looked poor offensively, but even defensively. Like, really poor. Now, I think he’s a good squad player, precisely because I think the Coquelin of a while back who was an interception and tackling machine is more the “real” Coquelin (though even that guy offers nothing when we have the ball). He’s just been in really bad form of late. It happens to every player. But, in the circumstances, dropping him was entirely vindicated, both offensively and defensively. And we really need to find the Kante-esque 50% Coquelin/50% Elneny player this summer.

The Loon Ranger

I’ll give you some numbers. 11 players who aren’t what they should be which is 1 team. We’ve seen it with the chavs and with manure and with others. They get bloody well paid and whoever is doing the coaching they ought to be working and reacting as a team. They ain’t and most of us have got the right ache with it. We’ll bounce back but only after massive change otherwise we’re in free fall. FA cup not really likely but great if it happens. No St Totteringham? I can live without it. What could let AW leave on a high is if we stop Maureen and manures “unbeaten ” run then I’ll start to feel bucked up instead of fucked up

Look...

Our team doesn’t play attractive football anymore.
e.g. enough with getting the ball to the side! All the memorable “Invincibles” goals came from the centre!

Alexstratz

I’m sure if we tried harder we could’ve gone head-to-head against a CL-less Chelsea for the signature of Kante instead Xhaka. It’s not like the money spent on Perez and Holding has served us well this season (yeah I know, hindsight and all that), even if it’s not the players’ fault.

PFo

I think that’s the wrong way to think about it. They’re very different players. We needed Xhaka AND Kante. And maybe, just maybe, we could have pulled that off, if we had had real ambition. But hindsight is 20/20 and all that. I’ll hold my hand up and say last summer I didn’t think Kante was much of an improvement on Coquelin, because I think I didn’t fully realize how badly Coq holds us back when we have the ball. But then again, I’m not paid millions of pounds a year to make these decisions…

Rob

Hi, I normally love your articles and look forward to them after each game, but isn’t this a bit misleading/wrong? In the 12 league games since Coquelin has been “dropped” he actually started 6 of these not 4. And it looks to me like he played 406 minutes out of the 1080 minutes in 12 games (not including injury time). During the time he was on the pitch I think we conceded 11 goals of the 20. So we conceded 55% of the goals during the 37.5% of total time he played. I haven’t looked at anything else other than goals during this period so I’m not sure what the outcome would be on your other numbers such as interceptions with and without Coquelin

wizardry

This squad is more than capable of competing for the title. Arsene has failed.

Wade wilson

Clear foul on the first goal, nicely tucked in the “well you gotta show some passion” folder. Seriously how easy is it for refs to go against us. It’s not normal, who else gets cards like confetti, non calls and then spurious penalties. I heard Townsend did an interview on Sky, did they ask him or allardyce about the dive? No probably not.

PFo

This is the icing on the frustrating cake: we can’t just suck, we also have to get repeatedly screwed over by the refs and media (it also should be against the rules to purposely grow your grass high and not water it so that it becomes harder for passing teams to pass–that pitch last night was an embarrassment).

Dawn

And Giroud was fouled in the box!

Ravi

Time to give the youngsters a chance. Cant be worse than the way this lot are performing.

Lord Bendtner

I’ve been saying this for long, here goes again:
When Coq came back from Charlton, we didn’t really need a player like him. He is a very average player, below Arsenal standards. BUT, when Wenger got him to play as a pure pure DM that does nothing but tackle and intercept all over our side of the pitch, a new Coq was born. A Coq we all came to love. Recovering the ball right and left, allowing our fullbacks to go up front without worrying too much.

Then the manager tried to make him into someone he’s not. And no hard feelings to the manager, he tried to improve the Coq even more. And it is such methods that can convert a player into greatness. Unfortunately, it didn’t work, and no problem. So let’s get Coq back to his old self. But nope, that isn’t what has been happening recently.

I have always been reluctant to say that Coq only plays well alongside Santi. I don’t think that’s exactly the case. One of the manager’s duty is to conform tactics and formations to get the best out of each player. The Coq has been ignored recently. The manager needs to revert his Coq back to the old Coq we all loved. Our Coq doesn’t venture forward on his own, it’s the manager’s instructions. We need to play our Coq to his strengths. The Coq that wouldn’t give opposition any time to think in our half (in contrast to the Crystal palace game). The Coq who won the ball right away, whether it was in the middle of the pitch or on the flanks, he was all over the place.

The Coq has been unfairly judged in recent times. The problem is not the Coq. The problem is what the manager is doing with the Coq.

Captain Walcott LOL

I have been saying this for a very long time. Bless your heart TGSTEL

PFo

There’s some truth to this, but I don’t think it’s the whole story:
1. You have to admit that when he’s played in the past few months, he’s just looked out of form, even with the things he was always good at, like intercepting and tackling (think of the Hazard goal, for instance). I don’t see how that’s been down to playing him super high up the pitch. He’s played more or less as a “destroyer”, not like a number 10 or anything. He might not be the deepest midfielder, but that’s because Xhaka receives the ball from our defense when we have it, and that was also true when Santi was playing Which leads us to…
2. The problem with Coquelin, and the reason that he’s not really the longterm answer for us, unless we have someone of Santi’s surreal ability next to him (and even then, it didn’t always work great), is that there’s not room in a top team’s midfield these days for someone who can’t be better with the ball when we have it. He doesn’t know how to get open and offer himself for a pass (or is scared to do so), he isn’t a good passer, and his ability to receive it is average at best, especially under pressure. With teams increasingly employing a high press against us, we need all of our midfielders to contribute to receiving the ball under pressure and passing-and-moving it up the pitch. So Coquelin becomes a liability. Maybe if we adopt a crazy high press ourselves, a la Liverpool, then this problem is somewhat mitigated and Coquelin has his useful role in the team again, but I’m not holding my breath….

Loose_Cannon

Agree with all that though I’d add that if we did adopt the high press, Coquelin would need to show quality on the ball having won it. I also see your Hazard goal, and raise you one Robben goal

fed up

Time for silent Stan to go and the only way that will happen is if all the fans refuse to turn up for the remaining matches – sounds extreme but that is the only way to get shot of this viper!!! Aside from that it is also time for Wenger to call it quits!!! Massive shake up required but it is only the fans not turning up to matches that will get things done – sad times!!!

fed up

I would also like to point out that this team has no mental strength – Wenger says they have but I don’t think even the title winning squads had as much mental strength as they should, just look at what happened after our 49 game unbeaten run ended!!! Ridiculous!!!

docciavelli

“… an extra .5 goal per match than they would be if they were an average Premier League side.”

But that’s what Arsenal are right now, an “average Premier League side” at best. It’s pretty much what they’ve been for years now, just slightly “above average” to slide into 4th place and bounce out of the Round of 16 CL.

I’ve seen what Kroenke does to a professional sports club State-side (ahem, Avalanche, Rams, ahem), and he’s doing it at Arsenal. Prepare for a decade-plus of disappointments while Stan sucks millions of pounds of profit out like a parasitic tapeworm. At this point, it’ll be at least 2021 before Arsenal compete for the league again.

It’s enough to convince someone like me – who became a supporter during the Invincibles – to reconsider my support. I didn’t grow up in Islington watching Michael Thomas win it at Anfield. I’m not as invested as the supporters who’ve tattooed the shield on their chests and bought a new kit every season. I’m the sort of supporter Arsenal is losing, and a symptom of what is driving the new support from emerging markets like the U.S. towards Chelsea, ManUre, City, and even Sp*rs.

While I’ll never become a supporter of a bunch of twats like those clubs, I am starting to watch Atletico matches because it’s so enjoyable to watch them stick it to Real/Barca–Simeone is a phenomenal manager. And it reminds me of when I could dream of my club doing something great, rather than languishing in relative mediocrity. If Arsenal hands another two years to its current leadership, I’ll probably watch Madrid’s *other* club full-stop, just so I won’t feel so hopeless.

Crash Fistfight

So you’re saying you’re a glory hunter, then?

Özzy

At the turn of the decade around 1980, there existed a massive socialist imperium. Visibly powerful, resourceful, full of bright minds and engaged in a global battle in sea, air, land and space. This Union was feared and respected because of once (truly) great victories that had benefitted the global community. Underneath the surface, though, there was rot and decay. The ruling establishment had ran the Union into regress and dept. Food was in short supply (no, really, milk was a rarity, as were hundreds of other products we take for granted today), machinery was derelict, and much of everyday life passed by with a familiar feeling of few opportunities to better the existing status quo (ie. to make something of life in general). In this situation, the establishment decided that, rather than really put the effort in, take a so-called hit in the global political arena and actually invest into re-building the Union with the normal citizen set as the priority, they decided to wage a pointless war in a country that at the time was even less of a country than it is today. Over ten years this war went on. Soldiers were recruited forcibly from all over the Union to go to battle for… nothing. There was no vision, no plan, no target. The moment this war was started was the moment this Union began the final phase of its slow death. Panicked efforts were made between the years 1985 and 1990 to modernise and keep the Union breathing at any cost but these all eventually failed (although, looking from another perspective, these efforts succeeded in the sense that they killed something so that something better can be born in its place).

Today I caught myself thinking of Arsenal. I don’t do this much lately as I am as bored and frustrated as the next fan but hey, one can still find comfort in some correlations. Arsenal today reminds me of the Soviet Union in her last decade(ish). And Wenger reminds me of their General Secretary, who is considered to be the true catalyst for their downfall – Leonid Brezhnev. This leader came to power in the 60s and was revered for his desire to make the Union the global leader in all fields that mattered. There was significant success, too, but I won’t go into detail over that. You can all surely use this internet thing, if you’re interested. But in the background things started to go bad. Money was pumped into military and space technology and the general population was neglected. In the public eye, there was success after success but it was all fabricated (think top4, think competing with limited resources). Brezhnev held on to power for as long as he could but eventually change was an absolute necessity (as it is at Arsenal). But the change of leader did not halt the decay. Because it was not the leader that was rotten, it was the establishment (think Arsenal board). I know that the Arsenal board’s incapability to act as an actual board is not a new insight. But what I find eerily similar when I compare these two establishments are, firstly, the time scale and, secondly, the power structure (or lack of). The one big issue with leadership in the Union was that there was always 2 leaders. There was the General Secretary, the public face – Hero of the People. But there was another one. A sinister one and, contrary to popular belief, it was this institution and its various leaders that held the greatest power – the KGB (Kroenke Global Business:). Now, I am firmly in the Wenger out pool as it is clear to the naked eye that the man has lost his power to inspire. All the players are technically at the highest level and I am sure they do tactics in training but what we see on the pitch is a lack of desire, application, and focus. Unfortunately, I also believe that things will get worse before they get better even after Wenger leaves. Because changing the power structure is not as easy as just appointing a director of football. It is a cultural change and by cultural, I mean leadership culture, public service culture (because to the fans, Arsenal is a public service, albeit an expensive one), economic culture… and the list goes on. This change will take time and it will be painful. There will be failures and I would not be surprised to see the establishment crumble under the pressure like it did eventually in 1991. But what I find comforting is that the people will remain (us fans). A chance to give birth to something special on top of the ruins. I also feel that in letting Kroenke in, the club sold its soul to the devil. This silence from the board and owner is so KGB-like I can almost picture the Arsenal boardroom – dimmed lamps hanging from the ceiling rocking back and forth, wet floors and brick walls laying off a stench as unbearable as it is unforgettable. So in conclusion, I want Wenger out but I know that the real problem is the real leader – someone hanging back from the public view with his little spies in every dark corner and I want them OUT more than I want a puppy that would forever stay a puppy and bring joy to everybody every day forever and ever. Ok, I want that puppy more, but Kroenke should still very quickly and efficiently fuck off to his illegal ranch built on other people’s land and take his silver spoon sons with him.

Anonymarse

Jeez everybody is writing an essay on here

Julianski

Comments like this are why I always keep coming back to the comments sections

Rogerbij

Defence is the biggest issue for me.

What bothers the heck out of me is how wide and high up Bellerin and Monreal frequently get AT THE SAME TIME. This basically leaves us with a 2 man defence for a moment on a quick counter, and we are always struggling to get in position from then. Its no wonder I shit myself every time we lose the ball.

I cant remember where I heard it, but basically with our wing backs always both so high, we are saying that we think this gives us a better chance of us scoring than it does the opposition scoring against us.

I think having both wing backs up so high adds little in attack and opens massive vulnerability when we turn over the ball.

Keep our wingbacks narrower and tighter, one up at a time, and go forward wisely by reading the game situation. That is the most simple thing I can think of to sure up the defence… with more confidence in our defence may confidence will slowly come back to the rest of the team. Maybe.

Loose_Cannon

This is basically what Fat Sam was saying after the game, the fullbacks are too far away from the centre backs, who then aren’t good enough one-on-one against players like Benteke. Doesn’t help that our DMs seemingly find it impossible to track runners beyond our own 18 yard line or really to mark anyone at all, ever

santori

We are not looking for a 50% Elneny 50% Coquelin.

We are looking for a player who can dribble with ball at feet and attack the vertical, what Ox did but with also more natural defensive awareness than young out of position Chambo.

We need to replicate the ability (which we only saw fleetingly) with Rosicky or Diaby.

Santi was a stroke of genius by Wenger but he is getting on and now carrying a chronic injury.

We need the player who can hold the ball for us and have some vertical movement forward with ability to take on players.

Elneny, (mediocre) Ramsey (hot and cold lacks grit) Coquelin are all pass and play types which explains why when faced with a wall in front of them, the ball inextricably goes side to side.

We need a player who can penetrate from deep because we have already granit replicating the deep passes Santi gave us.

A bit of grit will also be useful, your Elneny gets pushed off the ball waaay too easily.

Passing completions? I can cite Flamini last season having 90% rate which conveniently is neglected in highlight because it won’t fit the narrative.

IMO we should be at very least looking at players like Fabinho at Monaco or Saul at Athletico. players who can travel up the field with the ball but have some bite as well.

FAXE

In other words, Jack Wilshere?

Andrés

With Alexis CF goals were made earlier, with pptheutting the pressure over the opponents and concentrating on defending. But Wenger never accept that

Freddo

Totally right. There are two sides to a possession-based game like Arsenals. One is possession and the other is swift pressing as soon as the ball is lost (to stop counter-attacks). Wenger understands the first half and not the second. That’s why the full-backs are exposed, because nobody steps forward, when the ball is lost to stop the counter-attack before it gets started.

Freddo

Coquelin is vital to the team because he adds some real bite to the high press. He is particularly good at getting into advanced positions and shutting down or slowing counter-attacks before they get started. That is absolutely vital with a possession based team like Arsenal who will always be exposed to the counter-attack. That is why Pep makes a religion out of his possession based teams recovering the ball in 6 seconds.

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