Sp*rs 2-0 Arsenal – player ratings

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Arsenal went down to a rampant Sp*rs side 2-0 at White Hart Lane this afternoon. It was as dismal a derby display as I’ve seen in modern times, and we got what we deserved from the game.

Which was nothing. Here are how the players rated.

PC
33
8
G
5
3.5
LK
6
5
NM
18
5
AOC
15
3.5
GX
29
4.5
AR
8
3.5
KG
3
3
11
4
AS
7
2.5
OG
12
2
PC
33
8
G
5
4
LK
6
6
NM
18
6
AOC
15
3
GX
29
5
AR
8
4
KG
3
4
11
5
AS
7
3
OG
12
4
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33: Petr Cech

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Without him it would have been an absolute hiding, made some brilliant saves, and his 'stand still' penalty attempt at least showed he's aware how every other penalty went in this season.

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5: Gabriel .

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3.5
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44

Kane made the most of the contact for the penalty, but it was a silly challenge. The Brazilian continues to look like a man who would be confused to be presented with a room full of shovels and then told to take his pick.

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6: Laurent Koscielny

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5

Our best defender, although I don't know exactly what that says

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18: Nacho Monreal

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Readers
14

Pretty solid really

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15: Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain

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12

Lost possession 20 times

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29: Granit Xhaka

5
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53

Not sure why he, as a man capable of a creative pass, was taken off. Had been doing ok.

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8: Aaron Ramsey

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3.5
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Quite good in the first half, but couldn't build on that in the second.

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3: Kieran Gibbs

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What is the point of playing him in a game like this? The first time he's started consecutive league games in 2 years, and he looked like a man way off the pace.

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11: Mesut Özil

5
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Not as anonymous as TV would have you believe, was on the ball more than any other Arsenal player, but unable to control a match away from home again.

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7: Alexis Alexis

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38

Lost possession 20 times. Was really bad today.

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12: Olivier Giroud

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29

Pedestrian and predictable

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23: Danny Welbeck

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Should have started

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24: Hector Bellerin

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Came on for Gabriel and did pretty much nothing

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14: Theo Walcott

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Had a shot but it was tame

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Bonus rating: 10/10 - the final whistle, loved it.

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Mad Dog

I hate to use the old cliche, but we never looked ‘up’ for this. Sp*rs had so many more chances.
What is the point of playing Giroud and not putting in any crosses?
Welbeck should have started, we needed his pace and running.
To be fair, this result was not a massive surprise. But it’s hard to see us get dominated by them lot.
Oh well, they can celebrate all they want. They aren’t winning anything this season and we’ve got our beautiful history to laud over them.
I am just hoping for a lot more next season. Bring on the changes.

Yeabex

I see way to many 4s and 5s. At the end of the day, this was an average Spurs performance that won’t make it into their top 10 of the season and they still beat us at a stroll. The fact that we held on until halftime is an illusion as they missed 2 basically open goals.

No one except Cech deserves a passing grade.

Maniac

They definitely played better today but those two “basically open goals” they missed came about as the result of two very lucky deflections going straight to their players.

Thaigoon

Yes. They were very lucky to beat us by only 2 goals- what?

Maniac

No, they were very lucky because they were handed two golden chances on a platter. The fact that they were unable to convert them is irrelevant.

Think of it this way. If, for example, one of their players had dived in the box and won a penalty that they had then failed to convert, I’d say that they were very lucky to win the penalty rather than unlucky not to convert it.

Shere Willpower

That save from Vertonghen’s shot.. unbelievable!!!

Swedishgunner

I agree.. If they had scored their 100% chances and if Petr didnt so so well yesterdays scoreline would have been 6-0. Sad to say it but Wenger needs to go, and based om what we saw yesterday half the f*ck*ng team needs to be sold* and replaced.

*/Lets face it, we will have to give some of them away, cuz they are not very good… Or the Arsene way, send them out on loans until their contract expire getting nothing for the players..

Dom

History means nothing buddy, they have something good now, as opposed to our steaming pile of shit that continues to be served week in week out.. and 2 more years of it as our manager has no touch with reality.

Jack

Why play two left backs again? Why does Ramsey always hold on to the ball for too long? Why with 20 mins to go 2-0 down are we still passing backwards and to the keeper? Why bring on Bellerin and Walcott when you know they don’t change the game? Why does Wenger make so many decisions that don’t make sense??

Quang

1 – Because we were playing 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 in the last 2 games. Bagged 2 critical wins, one against Man City. Would it make sense to you to change the winning formation or to start a 21-year-old center back in one of the most important matches of the season? I’d have trusted Holding but I understand how the manager thought.
2, 3 – No passing options. Spurs is an extremely physical team and we are no where near their levels. They always win 1-on-1 and usually had double, sometimes triple our attacking people in their final third. Just look at the way Son busted through our midfield no less than 5 times, you’ll understand. After leading 2-0 they pretty much comfortably had 10 people behind the ball. With predictable Giroud and a flopping Sanchez on top, who are you gonna pass to when Gibbs and Chamberlain provided pretty much no support on width?
4 – Why do you keep the team & formation that were losing 2-0? Would it make absolute sense to make no change and hope for better outcome? Besides, both Giroud and Chamberlain had a terrible game and did nothing on the field anyway.

Although I’m disappointed, all decisions make sense to me. At this point, it’s a system failure really. The current squad just doesn’t have enough quality to compete in the most physical and competitive league in the world. We need dramatical changes and sacrifices over the next 1-2 years to make the team great again. That includes replacing the head coach.

CechMate

That is the issue isn’t it??!! Who do u bring on to change a game? I mean Welbeck is a runner but doesn’t score – I remember his Man U days and I used to taunt my Man U buddy that I feel relaxed whenever Welbz got the ball, as he wouldn’t finish 8 out of 10 times and he hasn’t improved yet. Walcott is a poacher stands there waiting for something to be served to pounce on it, same with OG, AS is trying too hard to make things happen by himself instead of bringing his team into play. I had said this before, we’ve far too many runners and less creators, Ozil is the only one with that quality – Xhaka would do it once in a while but not match after match. So when Ozil is out of form we struggle to score against organised defenses and we need someone supporting him, I would’ve preferred Iwobi come on in place of Ramsey and have Ozil play in CM. Unfortunately Wenger thinks more strikers or change them to get more goals!

Mein Bergkampf

Can we not get a rating for those stewards who rugby tackled the obnoxious sp*rs fan who decided to try and gob off at Mesut? Best tackle on a white shirt all game.

Zelig

Please can we dump these overpaid, overhyped, underworked players. Too many of them are incapable of playing a fast attacking game with the ball or working hard & defending well without the ball.

If Arsene really believes this squad of very average, very lazy players are good enough then he’s lost the plot.

Tomislav

Please can we get you to meet Messi so we could sign you?

Tomislav

So I guess not many of us watched Zelig.

kas

He lost the plot 13 years ago ! The blind deluding the blind for so long.
So tragic to see a great club (club not wenger) being led down the drain. Thought when Gazidis I presume got the 3 Dutch coaches in to oversee the youth academy, things were looking up, but Wengers still hanging on pinching a living + his what 10mill a year.

Jimbo Jones

Pinching a living is harsh. Whatever things Wenger can be accused of, poor tactics, being too trusting in under performing players, an inability to change games with substitutions and not addressing defensive issues, a lack of effort is not one of them. It’s not a lack of effort or application that’s the root cause of our malaise, it’s a lack of ability.

Lack of Perspective

13 years ago. Wow. You really are reaching.

Maniac

The problem is that when they try they are good enough. I remember watching us destroy Chelsea 3-0 early in the season thinking that we might actually have a shot this year. Smooth, fast, intricate play in attack and solid in defence – we looked the complete package. Even in the January transfer window I thought we had enough squad depth and quality to sustain our season’s ambitions.

Watching the same players now, however, is painful. It just seems like they’ve lost the plot – low concentration, no passion, no spirit, no fight, no belief, low confidence, no consistency, … the list goes on. You can talk tactics, formations and squad choice all you want, but the manager’s fundamental job has to be to actually motivate his players and, as has been clear to see, he has failed to do that yet again.

H2k

Maniac, you are right, I genuinely believe we have the best squad in the league. On our day, we can beat anyone, and win comfortably, and we have seen that a couple of times this season.
But there lies the problem, a couple of times! The fact we cannot keep consistency is the biggest reason why we are not challenging, and must be one of, or a combination of the following:
-fatigue caused by fixture pile up or no winter break
-injuries, and squad rotation not allowing for fluidity
-laziness incl keeping focus
-poor planning and instructions for games from coaches and management.

Historically in past seasons we have blamed injuries and fatigue. But I think most fans, including myself, are starting to think it might be the other 2 in the list.

Thaigoon

You can say that about fucking sunderland or Nicky Bendtner. But big teams and players are not something that happen once in a while. If you play good football once a mounth thats only good form. Its class if you win things consistently. Then losing a bunch each year will be bad form for a big team/player.

Maniac

Except we were consistent. After 15 games and 4 months in the league, we were just 3 points behind leaders Chelsea, having been on an unbeaten run of 14 games following the opening day defeat to Liverpool. It seems some people have completely forgotten about this – it certainly was never just “good football once a month.”

Twatsloch

These are good players. We have the material to challenge for the PL and FA Cup but they are underperforming. That’s the frustrating thing. If they truly were shite or average I could accept the crap results based on us having what we have but they aren’t. This team can and should be doing better this season.

Thaigoon

I missed that. Just took my eyes off tv before the corner and next thing I missed our highlight of the game

SFGiants

Damn! I missed that!

Wanker

This lot show up every August with no intention other than to coast to fourth place and no demands from owner, manager or senior players to do anything else. They’ve been caught out this year and good.

This is what Arsenal is, now: the least effort expended (in money, passion, concentration, commitment) for the barely acceptable product (plausibly “big club” commercial deals, PL broadcast revenue). It is financially efficient and dull as hell.

Formerly Wellarsed - now arsed off!
Formerly Wellarsed - now arsed off!

Poor team selection, ineffectual tactics, baffling substitutions, lack of any real drive or true competitive spirit (we never looked like getting back in the game after the second goal) – given that this was a NLD, it must rank as one of the poorest performances of the season. At least the top-four speculation can stop now. The whole club needs a massive shake-up during the summer!

Gary Baldy

Well, looking on the bright side, maybe we have got a new song out of it for a few weeks, at least,

” They didn’t do it again,
they didn’t do it again
BUT . . . . by this time next year,
they’ll have done it again . . . ”

All together now . . . 😀

Does this help ? I’m only trying to help, here . . .

voldermort

Would love to see this squad coached under another more demanding and tactically aware manager because i refuse to believe that a squad as good as this looks on paper can perform so poorly week in week out. I accept that one or 2 maybe just not good enough at this level, but the whole squad ?
Ramsey, walcott, giroud all need to leave but is Mustafi as bad as we think is Xhaka so poor that he can’t play at this level or is it down to the coaching and the general attitude that exists at the club.
No idea where we go from here, Arsene will stay for 2 years, Do we buy more players and waste yet more money because we can’t coach the ones we have already. As a club we are rotten from top to bottom.

Gargoyle

Arsene’s wasted plenty of money already. Any other manager would’ve won the league with the amount of money being spent building this squad. Don’t believe me? Do the math.

thw14

Arsene – New lows/10

Alex

Just a lil thing: how could Mesut influence the game while spending it on one wing? It shows the limit of the system: separating Sanchez from Özil, isolating Mesut on the right… the guy can’t influence a game and express his quality this way.

yen

Just a thought: maybe if he actually tried running towards the center of the pitch he would get closer to Alexis. But that’s just a wild guess.

yen

Sorry for being sarcastic, but I’m just done with us excusing certain players over and over again.

Billy Dyer

Exactly! Certain players are allowed to get away with anything. I’m great critic of Ramsey, but yesterday he did work hard and was making himself available for a pass, but Ozil and Alexis wouldn’t pass to him.

kas

Was Ozil supposed to help the OX out like the Chelski players do with there wing backs?

Alex

Ox needs help? For losing balls? I thought Ox was the new Arsenal God and needed nobody.

Billy Dyer

Is that the reason why Ozil never marked (or tried to mark) any Sp*r’s player near our box?
Is that the reason why Sanchez kept giving the ball away for fun? Or in a couple of occasions, Ramsey was perfectly positioned to score, but Sanchez wouldn’t pass…

Tomek

It’s interesting to compare Pochetino’s spirit with Wenger’s. Increasingly i go back to the way Wenger seemed to wallow in the austerity years, always ready to cite the (relative) financial disparity between us and some of the other top four clubs as an excuse. You see none of that from sp*rs’ manager. The energy, purpose and ambition he emanates is – sorry to say so – impressive, and the comparison with our guy right now couldn’t be more stark.

Rob67

Rating the players, all well and good.

But the problem is…well we all know what the problem is ; or rather who.

Do you want another two…
Or four years of this ?

Do you ?

If not sign up with the #no new contract guys and do something about it.

I have !

London

I know this is going to be unpopular but I wouldn’t mind if Ozil left this summer. This team needs a rebuild from the foundations. Ozil is too anonymous to build a team around which is what we have done and defensively he is a liability.

Just to be clear I am a big Ozil fan but he doesn’t suit the premier league at all.

Loose_Cannon

Agree, unless we can get more out of him physically. Otherwise he’ll always struggle to impose himself in games like this

Vonnie

Perhaps if Mesut had some decent players around him he could do a lot better. We have Alexis, Ramsey and now Oxlade-Chamberlain coughing up the ball or passing to the opposition all the time. I’d rather sell Alexis for a small fortune, get rid of Ramsey and Walcott for whatever we could get, and buy some players who can actually control a football. Nothing will happen while Wenger is in charge, he’s too scared to sort out Alexis and he can’t see that Ramsey and Walcott are a waste of space, so we’ll just carry on like this I suppose.

SimSimma

Yes… perhaps if Mesut played on a team with Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo and Suarez he could do a lot better but you know what? He fucking doesn’t. And if he needs the perfect team to “perform” then he’s the one that needs to fuck off. I agree that Ramsey and Walcott are probably not good enough for a team like Arsenal. But honestly Ozil has a lot to do to prove that he is. So far he’s riding on his reputation from his former club and a high price tag. That’s it! He does well when everything is perfectly in place which really never is the case in the EPL. So honestly, I won’t mind seeing him go vs Alexis.

Loose_Cannon

That’s such a cop out though, he’s meant to be the star player. No use blaming other players when you yourself can’t make a pass or a tackle.

Alex

Can’t make a pass? Nice description of Sanchez and Ox! Spot on!

Gargoyle

You’re forgetting that at one point in their careers these players were able to control a football perfectly well. But like everything good about the players we get, we seem to have coached it out of them.

PFo

Walcott’s never been particularly great at controlling a football.

Alexstratz

If you offered to me De Bruyne or Eriksen for Özil, I’d trade in an instant. It’s funny how people are now done with Wenger but we keep defending the fragile and beautiful little snowflake he bought. Going on “sick” leave after Bayern, come on…

Loose_Cannon

Fuck!

Lord Bendtner

Well…crap
Come on how can Wenger still stay? Our team was so disorganized during the game, it was painfully obvious. Look at how Sp*rs kept nicely organized at the back whenever we attacked, and compare to the crap we were doing… Each of their players knew exactly what their role was
Players should be blamed too, I didn’t see as much intensity as was required, screwed up too many passes and plays.
I don’t know how Wenger prepares them for these games. Is he just sending them out telling them, hey guys just go play and come back? There was no plan, we were all over the place.
Extremely disappointed today. Regardless of what we think of Sp*rs and their manager, P*chettino has got to be praised for his tactical planning. Those Sp*rs players on the pitch today are quite crap, they suck. Yet, they beat us through proper organization, collective performance, and a much stronger desire to win.
How much more Wenger? How much more? These games make it clearer that the manager has lost his team. Sad to see that Cech was a class above all the players on the pitch today, he didn’t deserve to be on the losing side.

Automatism

So painfull indeed. I don’t even know what is our attacking scheme really is now.

We don’t give crosses, we don’t play through ball, are we attacking from the middle, from the side, I don’t know. Eveybody just passing the ball without clear intention.

While those Sp*rs players really play like a team that know exactly what they want to do. Ugh.

Clive St Helmet

As much as it pains me to say it, those Spurs players are not crap and don’t suck.

Vertongen or Gabriel?
Wanyama or Xhaka?
Eriksson or Ozil?
Kane or Giroud?
Alli or Ramsey?

I mean, for fuck sake, based entirely on yesterday’s shit show, I’d have Son over Sanchez.

yen

I would have started Welbeck over Giroud because of his pace and ability to create chaos – yet I don’t understand why is Giroud rated lower than Alexis or Mesut (by the readers). He didn’t play well, yet he at least made some contribution with getting the ball on the ground + some defensive work on the set pieces. Meanwhile Alexis lost possession 20-freakin-times, whilst Mesut was missing throughout the whole first 45 minutes, only to start getting more of the ball once we were 2:0 down and Spurs started sitting deep.

Alex

To get on the ball, one needs to give you the ball. As simple as that. But Mesut wasn’t meant to control the ball from the right wing. Rather asking Ramsey who was in the middle.

keneh

can we not talk about a top four finish again and just hope that an FAcup title will provide some respite for this disaster of a season. Don’t hold your breath on that one

Sick of it

If it was 6.0 you couldn’t complain. Bad team selection, why play monreal at CB and Gibbs wide?? Where was Holding? Total lack of cohesion belief balance and fight. We go from worse to abysmal. Woeful midfield. Giroud did nothing Ozil was anonymous and the others were just crap – (except for Cech). What on earth is Wenger staying another two years for? More repetitive failure?

Alex

Özil made the most passes and created the most chances… anonymous…

Billy Dyer

What? Even more than Wiltshire?

Mike

We looked like a team playing FIFA at least two levels above our ability.

Goldencannon

I think the main takeaway for me was that we are above all a physically weak team. The scouting needs to change to get more physical players who can dominate teams. All in all it’s an end of an era. The manager needs to go and this team needs to be to ripped apart. We need to start changing the profile of players we obtain.

aced

Spurs just seemed to be better prepared in every which way. Two examples:
Blogs, you wrote that Cech’s ‘stand still’ penalty attempt showed he’s aware how every other penalty went in this season. Well. in the post match interview, Kane said that he remembered his PK in the Emirates match was down the middle, so he figured Cech would hold his ground, thus deciding to send this one to the side. That’s preparation.
Second, in his post game interview, Pocchetino spoke about how they spend a lot of time on the training in their detailed preparations for each specific match. Evidently that’s not Wenger’s way.

Araj

How is it Ozil’s fault that he can’t “control” a match when everyone he passes to just gives the ball away?
I think the ratings are a little harsh on Ramsey who didn’t do a lot offensively but was quite effective at closing off space for Spurs in midfield. This performance also showed how much of the success of the new formation was down to Chamberlain having 2 amazing performances. Without him performing today the team didn’t seem to have an outlet to break.

spinner

You would expect a world class player who is your club’s most expensive signing, to have positive influence on maybe 80% of your big games. Instead, he has pretty much zero positive influence in 80% of our big games.
Time to sell and invest to proceeds in a better player.

PFo

Yes, because when you have a team of crap players, and two (or three or four) very good players, the thing to do is to keep all the crap players and trade in the very good players in the hopes of somehow, miraculously, convincing a couple world class superstars to sign for you so they can bail out the crapness of everyone else with wonder goals on a weekly basis…makes sense to me.

kaius

It’s true… the whole Giroud/Walcott – Alexis/Ozil experiment has been a textbook example of bad team chemistry.

Choose any period in the last 2-3 seasons when our play’s been great and Ozil was part of that. Leading the table until Christmas last season, smashing Utd and Chelsea in our best big game performances for years, getting through a tricky Champions League with some great football early this season.

He should’ve ended with 30+ assists and last years title if his teammates had been more clinical. I understand why people want him gone but we wasted his best form because Wenger couldn’t coach structure into our midfield and thought a frail Cazorla would cover up all our sins (for two years in a row now ffs).

At the start of the season he sacrificed his assist-making to play higher up the field and score more goals for us. Fast-forward 6 months and he’s having to drop back to the halfway line like a deep-lying playmaker.

Such a waste of talent and he’s not the first creative player we’ve done this to.

Stringer Bell

really well put. Not hard to see but some struggle I guess. Many buy into narrative. I was at semi final and in first half Ozil was one player bringing some composure and trying to keep the ball. Yesterday he played the perfect pass to Ramsey at nil nil. Rolled in into his path only for the hopeless Ramsey to try something spectacular and hit it with outside of boot. but hey spinner is right let’s sell the best players and build a team around the average 😂

spinner

Did you ignore the part of my comment about invest the proceeds in a better player?

Stringer Bell

Or maybe a bit radical but you could keep one of your best plAyers sell the mediocre ones and invest that in buying better players to play with the Ines you already have.

Araj

Players play in systems. Their performances are not in isolation.
The fact that people forget is just how poor Arsenal’s team is if you take out Mesut Ozil and Alexis Sanchez, there is not a single offensive player in the squad who would make the first team of any of the top 6. Giroud, Walcott, Iwobi, Welbeck would probably not even be automatic starters for Everton.
What is worse, these players are not only unable to perform at a higher level, they are totally unable to do some of the basic things you expect from a footballer. Theo Walcott is a player who is missing out on being included in the least talented England squad in 2 decades. Danny Welbeck is a 26 year old striker who has never ever scored even 10 goals in the league in a season.
That is the quality of what Ozil has to play with.
So many Arsenal fans just refuse to accept how incredibly overrated players like Walcott and Welbeck really are.
Mesut Ozil is a player who consistently wins the best German player award for what is probably the best generation of German players ever. They consider him better than Gotze, Muller, Draxler, Reus, Kroos. At Real Madrid he kept Ricardo fucking Kaka out of the team. For those that consider him soft, can you imagine how good you need to be to be starting in place of the second most expensive player in the world at a team as political as Real Madrid?
Put out a team of academy players with Ozil on the pitch. Players interested in being available to receive and doing the simple things right. And give him an actual striker up front. I assure you the team will be doing at least better than right now.

kaius

Wish I could upvote this more than once. Our recruitment policy and team identity leave a lot to be desired.

Bould\'s Eyeliner

I love Arsenal and our recent faith and hope in a renaissance were only ignited by ozil after the loss of fabregas and rvp–i think this is why he is so tarred and feathered by the fans. It’s a ridiculous amount of expectation and even so we’ve gotten two trophies since he came, as opposed to nine years with none. I’ve said what I had to about Arsenal fans this season already, but let’s not piss off the best player to have arrived at this club for years. It’s sad, I remember getting pretty smashed celebrating the day he was signed. What a way it’s turned out…

Aussie gooner

Don’t always jump to blame Wenger for everything . But was pulling my hair out when he decided to take xhaka off. We were creating chances at that point and all we needed was a like for like replacement upfront . Taking off xhaka lost us any bit of control we had in the game

TweakinGooner

Was pulling my hair out when he decided to play Gibbs as LWB instead of Monreal there and Holding as LCB… They were SOLID and Monreal provided attacking thread, and has gelled with Alexis the whole season.. all of a sudden he’s throwing Gibbs into the mix for no fucking reason. WHY.

Laci

Alexis And Özil should sign any contract put in front of them,no questions asked. It’s horrendous how shit they are at the moment

TweakinGooner

Yea Alexis has only scored two games running up to this like… so shit. That semi cup final winner against Man City… not worth it. I’ll drive him to across London myself!!!

Doni

Xhaka is the Besst

TweakinGooner

Holding – 10/10. Glad he gets more rest to sit on the bench again vs United while Wenger digs up a corpse to play instead just to do something against the obvious.

Mouko_Gooner

So 3 back thing only worked against Leicester, Middlesbrough, and team who would draw with Middlesbrough?

Ex-Priest Tobin

I told you all Wenger was past it, and have been getting thumbs down and abuse for years. Well, I was right all along.

Faisal Narrage

I actually think Ramsey gets it too easily.

I’ve lost count st then number of attempted backheels he’s made all season and how rarely they come off, let alone concede possession in dangerous situations.

Yet Wenger kept him on for the whole 90mins and took off Xhaka.

No wonder he keeps doing those flick ons, when Wenger indulges in him to concede possession so stylishly.

Should try taking a selfie whilst doing it.

Rico

Get ready for another two more years of arsenal excuses.

Zelig

Ramsey prime example of our failed British core strategy. Along with Theo, Gibbs & Jenks they all got wealth too quickly without achieving anything & have gone backwards. Hopefully same thing doesn’t happen to Ox, Iwobi, etc. They all need to be sold or given away to get them off the wage bill.

Bellerin showing signs of same thing happening to Him. Jack’s got lots of skill & passion but is injury prone so can’t be relied on sadly.

Add to this list average players like Gabriel, Elneny, wellbeck, Giroud, Chambers who aren’t good enough for a team challenging for titles & should be sold & it doesn’t leave much especially when players like Mustafi, xhaka & Ozil have struggled in the premiership & may also need replacing.

In fact writing this list of players who would need to leave if we want to compete for titles it is thoroughly depressing how weak our squad is especially with the knowledge that carzola, bfg, Koscielny & Monreal are also going to need replacing soon & our best player is refusing to sign a new contract.

To sum up our squad is p*ss poor & sp*rs British core is much better than ours.

Nick

In the semi last week we were dominated in the first half by City we actually went at them in the second and when Welbeck came on we had enough chances to put the game well beyond them BUT we were lucky on two occasions not to concede again.Today Wenger showed he had learned NOTHING from that he started the same team bar Holding (who was my motm that day) Giroud is too static, we concede possession in midfield by only having a two there and when you add in the poor showing of Sanchez and Ozil we had no threat and we’re always going to concede at some point but unlike last week we reverted to type and fell apart after they scored a wholly preventable goal! For me a new manager is a must and a cull of playing staff should be made too too many are too comfortable though a new man could possibly do what Wenger can’t and kick arses and actually motivate them! But Arsenal players who can’t get up for a game against the scum aren’t fit to wear the shirt !

Kev1966

Over the 47 years of following ‘The Arsenal’, cannot think of any players that are as overrated as Ramsey & Walcott. That Ladies & Gentlemen is why we are now London’s 3rd best team. No leaders, no passion, no fight, no backbone. Just a bunch of Princess Pussies. We are losing to the scum, and we deserved to. Something has to change.

Brad

Ozil didn’t show up until Welbeck came on.

Chamberlain worked himself ragged. Alexis did his press high thing which works if Giroud isn’t up there.

What happened to the Ox in the middle, and Alexis as the striker? Both experiments seemed to start to work and then they were abandoned.

I thought Ramsey should have been doing what Santi did – get the ball to Mesut or Alexis. Is this not how this system is supposed to work? Yet most of what I saw of Ramsey was him complaining that he didn’t get the pass into the box (with his back to the goal).

Why start Giroud when he scores more as a sub?

It feels like this match was sabotaged by the selections. Good luck to the Ox and Alexis in their future endeavors.

santori

I think Wenger got it wrong with his selection.

Personally feel we don’t have the best option up top.

Giroud can be lethal and holds/protects the ball for us better than Walcott or Welbeck but this sort of mobile game (and we know Spurs will cede space and come at us) is not the best with him.

Walcott is mobile but tends to not affect the game as much (unless of course he scores)

OTOH Welbeck is probably the best of Walcott and Giroud but he is inefficient in front of goal at the moment and conspires to miss sitters from ten yards.

My bet would have been to start Walcott. He got into some promising positions when he came on but did not hit the ball with enough conviction which is symptomatic of low confidence at the moment but with Spurs coming at us, he was best to exploit the space.

The other player I thought was a mistake to start was Gibbs.

Not that he was poor but we needed more attacking power.

I would have gone for a 3-4-1-2 with Alexis and Walcott paired up top and Ox on the left, Bellerin right.

…………….Alexis…………Walcott……………..
……………………….Ozil…………………………
Ox………..Granit…………Ramsey……Bellerin
……..Monreal……..Koscielny……..Gabriel…..
…………………….Cech………………………….

As is, the gaffer again waited too late to affect things.

Its his ideology which is sometimes his worst enemy.

I thought we were competitive first half but were missing something in the final third. Someone like Bellerin could have freed the Ox up on the other flank and also added more cut and thrust which in contrast they had aplenty second half.

Fine margins.

Once the goal went in for them, we lost a bit of composure and Gabriel committed the foul which put the game out of reach.

But we did not get our balance right to press thereafter.

It was too out of sync for my liking. We didn’t press together or find each other enough and lost the plot.

Andrés

Arsenal team looks like playing a preseason campain. Nobody wants to risk an injure, coz no-one knows where they’re gona be next season, and that’s logical.

GladImNotWenger

I’ve never been happier to miss a game. A poor game for a mediocre season. No excuses. No solutions.

Dotman

Wanyama was really good in that game. We could have bought him before spurs did, but we didn’t. We have good players in this arsenal team. Even the often criticised giroud is a good player. But for some years now Wenger has been shoe-horning players into systems where they don’t fit in. We will never get the best out of ozil if he continues to play ahead of weak midfield bases. Never. Thats just the kind of player he is. The reason why we still have walcott in the team is unknown to me. Over 10 years at arsenal, no improvements whatsoever in his game and he goes home with 100+k/week. We need Wenger to go, we need a change in paradigm.

Chileangooner

Well…I saw that result coming from the first two minutes, especially with the way Spurs were playing. High pressure, good possession and a defined strategy. On the other side of the pitch there was a predictable Arsenal. Here in South America the comments on TV have been consistent over the recent weeks: this back 3 strategy is only covering the effectiveness problem of the team, and leave Alexis and Mesut Ozil apart. They have managed to win the recent games but in a very scrappy way, a “whatever it takes” way that is not very “arsenal” way. However the team remains clueless and wanting in terms of creativity and desire.

As a Chilean I’ve followed Alexis steps in Arsenal for the 3 seasons. He is a wonderful and gifted player, with a strong winning mentality, but it’s sad to see him frustrated and exposing himself through his own body language. We know he want to make things happen, he is a star player, the most important player or whatever you wanna call him, and for that reason he also gets a lot of stick when things go south. The same way Messi gets slammed when Barcelona or Argentina does not manage to win a match (just giving an example, not compareing), but let me remind you this is a 11-a-side game. ELEVEN.

Football games are won in the midfield and we are now desperate trying to get one. Do you realise that during early 14/15 season the only ones that kept the team ticking were Alexis and Cazorla? Since Cazorla is injured, the midfield has been poor. Xhaka is a very good player, but his most defining features are his long ball and passing range, same that has been rarely used this season and he is still trying to understand his new position. Last season everybody praised Coquelin, but now he gets slammed because he is not “good enough” (wonder what not having Cazorla’s support had to do with that). Ramsey has been poor all season, Wilshere is not here, Rosicky is gone and Ozil was on the right wing…. When you need him on the center of the pitch delivering incisive passes. You can bet Alexis is not comfortable with the new formation and you can see that. Wenger insists on playing him on the left, without Nacho Monreal to cover him or passing behind his back, and now with Mesut Ozil playing on the other side of the pitch, so there goes your creative duo.

Another thing to add is the strategy. Playing with three at the back is a very good idea when you have two pacey midfielders or backs. Just check Chelsea and Juventus under Conte, but it takes time to adjust to this system and it requires a highly skilled set of midfielders. Conte used to have Asamoah, Marchisio, Vidal and Lichsteiner in front of Pirlo. Now, he places Alonso, Matic, Kante and Aspilicueta.

With Chile, under Sampaoli, we tried something similar. 4 at the back, but our DM places himself between the CB, giving us 3 player at the back and leaving our LB/RB free to join attack or keep defending. However, our 3 or 4 midfielders keep
themselves in continuous movement and passing, dictating tempo. When this doesn’t happen, the result is the same that in Arsenal, Alexis has to drop deep in order to get the ball (very much like the last Man City game). Since the Arsenal is getting more defensive, the distance between the 3 up front and the rest of the players is huge, with no one pressing the rival’s defence. When we get the ball back through Alexis, he gets to advanced positions in solitude and waits for someone else to bring support, allowing the other team to get to defensive positions and making Alexis much more predictable handling him only two options: a lofty ball to Giroud/Welbeck/Walcott or to cut outside for a diagonal run in order to get a better shooting position. This has happened all season and it’s more notorious since Alexis was placed back on the left.

Tasmanian Jesus

I was really wondering what was going on when Gibbs started popping up on the right wing! Its at least two kinda wrongs..

GoonerJust

They just want it more than us.
(Theo, 2017)

kaius

And Captain Fantastic hasn’t started a match since.

Tfm86

Why in the hell is he still playing Ramsey?

GoonerN16

@Tfm86, I ask myself that very same question every time I see him in the team selection….. he is a liability… its an insult to Ozil amongst other things…

Frank the Tank

I prefer to look on the bright side, Yesterday I was expecting to drop three points in the standings to City and Utd.

NJgooner

I think Harry Kane summed it up in his interview when he said that Sp*rs wanted it more than Arsenal. I don’t think I remember ever seeing a north London derby where the Arsenal players were not really up for it and not playing with a high intensity (been supporting Arsenal for about 20 years). Even last year we were properly up for that game and fought pretty well.

Forgetting about tactics, team selection, recruiting, etc if Wenger can’t get the players up for this sort of game, then we have a massive, massive problem. Further, all of the capitulations this season and many games in previous seasons is also a massive concern, what other top teams capitulate like that SO often (none!)?

PodB

Relieved it was only 2-0. The problem with this team is you don’t know who will turn u … Bad or pretty fucking good. This was pretty fucking bad. Let’s hope Man Utd don’t turn up. Fuck me. Wenger out. There, I said it.
He is surely going soon, maybe after next season when World Cup managers are available? Who tho? What is up with Alexis? Jesus wept.

Shitbird

“Would you like a little radish on that shit sandwich?” said Arsenal FC.

“Yes I would, thank you very much,” said the Arsenal fan.

Next up, Mourinho.

If his vile mug isn’t enough to make this team win a league match then at least give us a flurry of red cards to show you care.

espen

Sad to see Alexis losing so much possession from one game to another. His mind somewhere else now i guess.

ken

first goal was lucky… ali pounding on the ball at the right place at the right time… i still thought we have the chance to recover till the penalty killed the game.. gab is a joke…

since arsenal is in such a miserably demise right now, i would rather we miss out top 4, wrap up the fa cup and send off Wenger with a gloried farewell..

lets not forget we still got joel campbell back next season.. provided he will be kept, i thought 343 might suit him….

if ozil were to leave, i thought siggy or tadic would be a good and cheap replacement which fits in wenger budget.. they are proven EPL creative mid for their team…

Matt P

I am sick of the lot of them. It’s a collective cluster fuck of the highest order. Mediocre all round. Change, please.

Matt P

If Wenger had any dignity and respect for the club ( and for his own legacy) he would now announce his resignation, that it has been a great ride but it’s time for change

ZombiefiedGlenn

I miss santi and poldi 🙁

Mas_moiderer

Have we thought the two players who lost possession just happen to be the two players who try to make things happen. If players don’t make the runs, find space to make themselves available, fight to get first to the ball then the stats will always make these players look bad. The alternative would be to just give it back to the centre backs. And side side pass. There is just no fluidity to the team.

OdalGooner

This is so obvious, yet you’re the only to nail it. When someone passes to someone, it’s not always the first players fault. And, again, atleast they’re trying a sneaky pass, instead of a safe one sideways. Ofcourse, some times we give the ball away, but chastizing players for actually TRYING to create something instead of just doing more of this inane hockey powerplay shit…
I cant bear watching more players get a nice pass and run to the flank.. and there’s noone in the box. Or if there IS someone, no cross comes, and it’s passed back. We waste the opportunities to score 20-30 times pr. match. Sure, not many of them would turn into goals. Could turn in to lost possession. But, like Wayne Gretszky said. “You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take”.
I’m sick and tired of watching the ball getting passed around outside the box. Someone could probably point to it being more effective since we don’t lose possession, but at this point, watching Arsenal games actually bores and frustrates me. And I support the f*cking team. I remember boring boring Arsenal under Graham. But those guys gave a f*cking fight. It was heroics. It was *men fighting to win*. Not a bunch of (granted, wonderfully talented) players trying to do something someone told them is the efficient way to play. I don’t want to watch Excel – I want to watch heart.

Matt P

I fear that Chelsea may well humiliate us in the FA Cup Final

JoolzyBergkamp

The winners of the Premier League have an equal balance of three S’s, or factors, going for them : stature, speed, and skill.

The Arsenal of 2004 had all three qualities and firing on all cylinders for most of that year.
Our back five was most imperious in stature and the other six put in a full-90 of effort, for the most part.
Were we not the fastest team going forward in the transitional game and into the final 18′? And did we not have the best-skilled players in every position in the park–Giggs and maybe Scholes and Gerrard apart from that being the only close contenders?

Think about the mercenary Chel$ki and Citeh teams of the next few years … same formulas. The United team, with the all-but RvP-Rooney-de Gea Axis, and the overwhelming stature of last year’s Leicester squad were the aberrations in the past ten years.

Stature, speed, and skill.
98 Arsenal?
99 United?
02 Arsenal?

Lsk Gunner

sad times

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