Wenger hammers ‘suicidal’ Gunners

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Arsene Wenger has slammed Arsenal’s performance against Monaco as suicidal as the Ligue 1 outfit stormed to a much deserved 3-1 victory at the Emirates.

The visitors took the lead four minutes before half time thanks to Geoffrey Kondogbia’s deflected effort and doubled their advantage through former Sp*rs striker Dimitar Berbatov on 53 minutes. The Gunners laboured in reply squandering a series of chances before substitute Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain netted on 90 minutes. The England international’s goal looked to have handed the home side a lifeline only for Yannick Ferreira-Carrasco to punish further wayward defending with the last kick of the game.

Reflecting on the nightmare that unfolded before him, Wenger told press: “Congratulations to Monaco, they had a perfect result and played the game they wanted to play.

“On our side, I believe that we missed the chances and we were a bit suicidal defensively. We were not at the level defensively and we were a bit unlucky as well because the first goal is deflected. On the second and the third goal we were suicidal.

“We had the luck to come back to 2-1 but not the right to give away a goal the way we did because that makes our task extremely difficult in the second leg. It looks like we have lost our nerve and our rationality on the pitch. The heart took over the head and at that level it doesn’t work.

“Mentally we were not ready or sharp enough to get into this game. We paid for it. In the first 20 minutes there was enough room to win the game. Monaco are a team who are strong physically with a good physical density and we missed the chances. If you look at the number of chances we missed, at that level you cannot afford that.”

Arsenal had entered the two-leg tie as favourites, but now need a miracle when they visit the Stade Louis II on 17 March as they look to qualify for the quarter-finals for the first time since 2010.

“We have a smaller chance,” continued Wenger when asked about the mountain his side have to climb. “But no matter how big the chance is we will go for it. We need to recover from this disappointment and prepare for the next game.”

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Mootilated
Mootilated

2010? Jesus christ how sad….

Bergkamp
Bergkamp

How many times do the team need to be told to keep defensively tight in a big game?!
They forget every few games and it’s just Groundhog Day.

We have been linked with Kondogbia for years, wish we had brought him. Need that kind of midfielder in this team. Haven’t had proper solidity since Gilberto left and there is just no excuse for that

Follow the money
Follow the money

If anyone is surprised they haven’t been paying attention. Since 2004 we’ve been bottling the big games. Wenger is too soft. Arsenal has become a retirement home for top players who don’t want to deal with the pressure to win of the REALLY top teams. It’s all too comfortable at the club and that’s Wenger’s fault

Guyverjay
Guyverjay

Rubbish we haven’t been bottling the big games since 2004

Rob67
Rob67

We have in Europe, pretty much continuously since 1998 – like it or not.

Like most people on here and elsewhere, I was convinced we’d win last night and get a draw in Monaco. Hello Quarter Finals !! As Blogs said, if you lose to Bayern or Barca’ then you’ve lost to the best. Monaco are not that. I’d be incredulous if they won the CL but I’d be even more surprised if we do.

Wenger has never won a UEFA competition with us or anyone else.

But he’s had more opportunities than all the other Managers in Arsenal’s history put together. What does that tell even the most obsessive Wenger cultist ?

John C
John C

Absolutely, bottling big games is something we’ve continuously done under Wenger. 2001 Cup final comes to mind, but it happened before then as well.

John C
John C

2000 UEFA cup final another

Miranda
Miranda

You’re right. We’ve been bottling small games almost as often as big ones.

Given the way we’ve struggled for years to score against well organised sides, certainly wasn’t expecting us to break down Monaco easily. I thought a nil-nil would be the most likely result against a team that cost pennies, that had only scored 4 in the entire group stage and whose captain was suspended and three of their key players injured. Still, just goes to show what good coaching can achieve – provided, that is, the opposition is us.

The Monaco manager’s comment is the only explanation that’s needed. ‘We analysed their game’, he said. Wenger, by contrast, having as usual neglected that side of the job, put the blame on the players and their ‘lack of intelligence’ and ‘suicidal defending’.

But who bought those unintelligent and suicidal players? Who coached them? Who motivated them? Who talked them through the tactics to nullify Monaco’s strengths? No one, that’s who. Because Wenger believes in just ‘playing our own game’.

Monaco’s team consisted of kids, plus an elderly Premiership reject; ours of expensively acquired internationals, as good – well, certainly as expensive – as most clubs’ in Europe. So why are fans still demanding new players – better keepers, better defenders, better strikers, beefier central midfielders, whatever? What difference will it make if the manager and the tactics and preparation – or rather the lack of them – stay exactly the same?

I’m not underestimating the importance of having the most expensive team because usually that will be the one that wins the CL. Just not always. Inter, Porto, Liverpool – none of those were star-studded sides. As managers like Simeone have shown, good coaching, tactics, player confidence and determination can achieve miracles even against the likes of Bayern and Real.

There’s only one hard and fast rule, I think, on the evidence of the last twenty years. It is this. The team with the most desultory coaching, the least conscientious preparation and the lowest player confidence, no matter how much it cost, is not going to win. Most years it won’t get as far as the quarters.

Miranda
Miranda

Wenger has many merits as a manager, including his gift for spotting talent and assembling excellent teams. Our present team is actually good and the Invincibles were among Europe’s best. So why did they never get past the CL quarters when so many weaker teams achieved better? It’s a pretty damning statistic when you remember that the Invincibles were virtually the World Cup and Euro-winning France national team. Almost as damning as Wenger’s ability to have lost all three European finals, or his inability to beat even the demoralised catastrophe that was Moyes’ United, or to be hammered by Everton, Chelsea, Liverpool and City last season, not to mention this season’s failure to look convincing against the likes of Leicester. For all our heavy spending in recent windows, our results are getting steadily more depressing – to the point where the players are hailing the victory over Palace as ‘an important victory’

Coaching players to win clearly isn’t Wenger’s particular strength, and in recent years this seems to have filtered down to the academy. We’ve still got some reasonably talented kids. Perhaps not as good as the hype (over, say, Zelalem, Crowley and co) would have us believe, but still far from awful, and potentially I’d guess no worse than Ajax’s or Southampton’s intake. The difference seems to be that they regularly, decade after decade in Ajax’s case, turn out stars they sell on at profit to the super-rich (us included), whereas most of ours fall by the wayside.

Currently our under-18s are 11th out of 12 in the league. Our under-21s are 5th out of 12 – that’s in the second division. The ability to lose to inferior opposition seems to be being instilled very young. Makes me worry about the financial implications a few years down the line, but hopefully Jonker is the right person to turn things around and he’s being the free hand that he needs to make changes.

Rob67
Rob67

Miranda – excellent thoughtful posts above, which nails the point about lack of tactics, motivation and preparation succinctly.

If Arsenal are to win in Europe – again; they have done in the past – they need a different Manager from Wenger. One that understands all the points you raised. It doesn’t have to be some continental genius. GG knew what was required and was capable of putting it into place. Wenger for whatever reason cannot or will not.

Hank Scorpio
Hank Scorpio

Gilberto had Vieira next to him. Flamini might be limited & the Coq far from the best DM in football today but time & again they are left to stem the tide. I laugh when read what a liability Poldi is on this site. He’s not been seen all season yet we keep conceding goals because poor tracking & inability to defend as a team are endemic.

Gooneropilis
Gooneropilis

The team sheet facilitated ‘suicidal’ in terms of defensive discipline.

Cygan's Magical Left Foot
Cygan's Magical Left Foot

Look on the bright side, we are moving from an “accident” to “suicidal”. Improvement?

The Ghost of Paul Robinson
The Ghost of Paul Robinson

A least we were only a “bit” suicidal.

I AM ARSENAL
I AM ARSENAL

At least the cunt aint tryna sugarcoat for once

Silent Stan's Content Mustache
Silent Stan's Content Mustache

Not with a comment like that you’re not.

Strevs
Strevs

I fail to see how you can call yourself “I am arsenal” and yet call him a cunt.
Simple fact is, he doesn’t know how to manage big games anymore. Last year we got away with it against Hull. His anxiety in the big games must resonate through the players, that must be part of it. He’s a very good manager, but is seems that all his teams in the past 8-10years have bottled it in the big games, it has to be the way he sets them up.
But he’s not a cunt!!!

Bumpy Bear
Bumpy Bear

I feel he is wrong to solely blame the players when he could have stopped that last goal from happening himself with a single shout and hand gesture and ordered someone to stay back. He is the manager after all. Their coach managed his side several times from the sidelines, relaying orders and shouting commands. Wenger seems happy to just leave it all up to the players and let them find out for themselves like some kind of lesson.

SG_Gooner
SG_Gooner

yeah, he needs to step out and yell at the players more rather than just stand up to complain about referees and zipping his coat….

more active management please…less passive management

Verminator's Mojo
Verminator's Mojo

Some years back, you would hear him yell “Theo track back” or something. But now, the way he sinks to his seat and folds his hands when things are not going our way says it all. In a way, that show of lack of confidence is passed on to players.

Steve
Steve

He’s a cunt alright. A massive cunt. Been fucking around for 10 years, full of lame excuses – arrogant bastard. If he loves the club so much why doesn’t he resign? It’s so fucking obvious he not up to it at this level. Sam Allardyce could get Arsenal in the top 4,.

Phil
Phil

Fat Sam would take one look at Giroud and have everyone else lump it forward for him. Why would we go for him when we could just get Van Gaal to do the same?

flappylegs
flappylegs

Uh….. Sam would be cheaper?

Arseology - Reloaded
Arseology - Reloaded

Wenger is brilliant coach but a terrible, clueless manager.
Yet again, another big game and we pulled our own pants down.

CanaGunner
CanaGunner

I’d say he’s more of a good GM (head of football operations if you prefer), bad in-game manager. No doubt he has an eye for talent and we have a good team assembled (missing a piece or two). But executing a game plan, shite. Only one I can think of this season was Citeh. Maybe that was a fluke? I’m not a big fan of his substitutions as I’m sitting on my couch either. & As someone mentioned above, him sitting there in his puffy coat with his head in his hands doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in the players.

Abzey
Abzey

I think we were unlucky to score more throughout the game but 1-0 should have done us good if Wenger put on pacey Paulista instead of plodding Per for this type of game!

Bigafo
Bigafo

I hope he doesn’t use Giroud and Mertesacker for the return leg next month. Walcott needs to start and be on the pitch throughout; also pray that Sanchez and Welbeck are completely fit for the match on 17 March.
The big issue is that how is Arsenal going to put at least 4 goals in Monaco’s net without conceding more than 2 goals themselves. Arsenal has to aim and target for at least 2 goals each half of the match; I believe it is possible if they play to their capacity.
Finally, it’s my view that what happened last night is a wakeup call for Arsenal, in terms of attaining the top four position this season. With 12 matches to go in the Premier League, our current position is not guaranteed; Arsenal Team now needs to be reminded of the tale of ‘the Invisibles’.

smh
smh

We just need to score 3 goals without conceding any. It is certainly not easy but not impossible. We had our scoring chances; Giroud couldn’t finish any of them. We must play smart defense.

Bigafo
Bigafo

I hope he doesn’t use Giroud and Mertesacker for the return leg next month. Walcott needs to start and be on the pitch throughout; also pray that Sanchez and Welbeck are completely fit for the match on 17 March.
The big issue is that how is Arsenal going to put at least 4 goals in Monaco’s net without conceding more than 2 goals themselves. Arsenal has to aim and target for at least 2 goals each half of the match; I believe it is possible if they play to their capacity.
Finally, it’s my view that what happened last night is a wakeup call for Arsenal, in terms of attaining top the top four this season. With 12 matches to go in the Premier League, our current position is not guaranteed; Arsenal now needs to embark on the ‘Tale of the Invisibles’.

Sad Gunner
Sad Gunner

Stupid, naive and disastrous comes to mind, along with suicidal. I know all (or at least most) fans are over reacting including me, but this was meant to be a monaco side that doesn’t score goals.

They’ve scored THREE against us. THREE.

Sometimes we perform the way we did against City, brilliantly. Sometimes we do this.

FFS:(

Clock End Mike
Clock End Mike

I thought it was just a downright unprofessional performance. No one was concentrating, not one of those who started the game was even thinking properly. I felt ashamed more than disappointed.

Mootilated
Mootilated

And what is even more frustrating is that the City performance was thanks to the players’ decision to play that way, and not the manager’s. It is damning to hear that your best overall tactical performance against a big team in the last couple of years came from the PLAYERS and not the MANAGER.

Iamtheantisp*r
Iamtheantisp*r

“We were suicidal.” Pretty much sums it up.

Hi-brid
Hi-brid

…the warning signs were there even against Crystal Palace but we glossed over them because we got away with it.

DFS
DFS

A point I made myself.

Radu
Radu

I’m feeling suicidal after this match, too…

4rs3n4l
4rs3n4l

You guys were right.
I will never forget my 1st game.
Sat just beside the away fans.
They were immense.
We can’t even hear our home fan cheering.
Kudos to Monaco. They wanted the game more than us.

Definitely coming back to The Emirates again.

All the way from Malaysia.

Arsenal till i die

two bullets in the chamber
two bullets in the chamber

Its this shit that hurts the most. Fans come from all over like yourself and the club dissapoints us. It wouldn’t have been so bad if we played well and lost but we were embarrassing out there. Wenger and the players need to realise they owe us more. One trophy in 10 years is acceptable because its really not about the trophies, but playing like this in big important games especially at home is like spitting in our faces for all our love and support.

Wenger's Bottle
Wenger's Bottle

I look at Monaco’s balanced midfield in envy Kondogbia and Moutinho were on a different planet to our midfield today.

But how can you expect defensive solidity when you play both Cazorla and Ozil in the same team? It’s ridiculous.

Steve
Steve

And Coquelin as a DM. Now we can see why he’s been on loan to League one teams for three years. The whole situation is utterly absurd – Wenger doesn’t have a fucking clue.

Arsene's Apologist
Arsene's Apologist

If only we had a box to box midfielder. Maybe a young English one, or a Welsh one even. And a deep lying Spanish midfielder too, who can control the pace of a match…. Why does Wenger field Coq, Cazorla and Ozil together in the center? Others are all on the treatment table. And we missed them sorely.

Alex
Alex

Caz was “cast” as a defending midfielder! His incursions on top were non professional! The defensive problems were also his!

Sheffield Goon
Sheffield Goon

It’s your team mate. Fucking sort it out.

It’s all very well being the father figure, but sometimes dad has to tell it how it is. Go tell them to buck the fuck up.

cheese
cheese

Not harsh enough.

Jiminho
Jiminho

But what i dont understand is why? Again and again and again this has happened. I dont, or wont, believe that arsene wenger has ignored these problems so he must mention them to his players. Does he put a greater emphasis on attack and scoring and so the players…forget? Or are they all just really really really really dim? And how come not one player has risen above this and taken responsibilty, surely they must be getting fed up with it. its unbelievable that this has happened again. At least when it was barvelona or bayern you could excuse it to some extent but this is ridiculous.

Steve
Steve

He buys the wrong players, picks the wrong players, can’t motivate the players and can’t change a game tactically. The first half was bad enough, but we were worse in the second. He’s comprehensively clueless at this level and always has been.

Deano

Motivate the players. Nail on the head.

Zack

You can see why he wants to get rid of the away goals rule, because his teams just don’t understand it.

I could have swallowed this loss in the league, or a domestic cup, but Jesus Christ, when their goals count MORE over a two legged tie, you can take a fucking 0-1 on a ludicrous deflected goal, in the first leg, without being so goddamned stupid to give up goals two and three.

Ex-Priest Tobin
Ex-Priest Tobin

The blind leading the blind.

Man Manny
Man Manny

Arsenal fans hammer ‘Suicidal’ Wenger.

Glaswegian Gooner
Glaswegian Gooner

My biggest fear is this: that this result will be the traditional event in the late winter/early spring that rocks our season and sends us on a downward spiral. It’s happened so often it’s now a matter of when and not if.

The FA Cup tie against United in March has now become make or break. If we lose that game, I genuinely think Wenger will have lost the fans for good. This was supposed to be the season we kicked on and challenged for the very top honours. On the contrary, we’ve stagnated and seem to be regressing.

A genuine question for everyone and please don’t think I’m being a troll or a windup: can anyone honestly see us ever winning the league or Champions League with Wenger in charge? I can’t frankly, so the question is, what on earth are the next two years going to hold? More laboured top 4 finishes? What’s the incentive for the world’s elite players to come and play for us? Do we honestly think the likes of Sanchez will stick around if that’s all we can offer him?

Worrying times ahead.

Hi-brid
Hi-brid

No, I can’t see it either.

Anthony
Anthony

Sanchez was hardly brilliant today though? And ultimately the players are on the pitch, it’s not as if they ave never played a game together. This isn’t some new side cobbled together it is an established team.

Looking at the game today:
Per gave the ball away cheaply time and time again.
sanchez and welbeck were too narrow, not offering Ozil and Cazorla much of an outlet on the wing – it’s something when both fullbacks are offering the most going into the box.
Ozil looked about as strong on the ball as a carrier bag in the wind.
Giroud forgot that he’s a striker, I counted three poor attempts which couldn’t have been easier, additionally he didn’t act as the first defender enough.

The second half we seemed much better after Walcott came on offering an outlet on the wing, chamberlain did exceptionally well to put us back in the tie, but then lost it in the middle of the park with the defence way too high.

We were slow on the ball, with way too many touches – everyone was guilty of that – and overall I t was an utter shambles with a few ‘moments’ where we looked decent.

We’ve given ourselves a hell of a lot to do, I think we can do it, but we need to make sure we actually turn up and want the win.

Glaswegian Gooner
Glaswegian Gooner

I agree, Sanchez was poor today. I didn’t mean to make out that he performed well, merely using him as an example of a top quality player who evidently came to us because he was convinced by our ambition. My point was that if our club can’t match the ambition of the very best players then how can we expect to convince them to play here?

Anthony
Anthony

I get that, but my point is, a player lie Sanchez with all that ability playing well below par, in a game of this importance. How can the blame for that be levelle at Arsene and overall the ambition of the club?

Don’t get me wrong I like Sanchez – in fact there isn’t a player at arsenal I don’t like, wouldn’t call myself a fan otherwise – but there has to be someone on the pitch who guides the team. Viera did it, Adams did it, Keown did it, Henry did it. Bergkamp, for all his technical ability and vision was still strong on the ball.
Campbell positionally was excellent as was Cole or Lauren. Allowing the flair to come from Pires and Ljungberg and Parlour.

Why isn’t Mertesacker marshalling the defence and his midfield, why isn’t Koscielny vocal enough in the big games? It’s almost like the players took Monaco for granted and did not treat the game with the respect it needed. We saw it last season against Chelsea, Liverpool and City. This year I thought we’d turned a corner with our performances of late, and I hope we don’t treat United in the FA cup with the same mentality.

The team of 2004 have been quoted as never thinking about a loss, that they would win every game. That’s what this side needs to do because the ability is there.

Glaswegian Gooner
Glaswegian Gooner

A failure to instil a winning mentality in his team? Again, I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. Not everything is down to the manager, the players at the end of the day are responsible for their own performances on the pitch. But we’ve been in similar situations as tonight many times in the past with different personnel and the results have been the same, where we fail to play at our best and are mentally weak . Yes, we pulled off a brilliant performance against City last month and I absolutely praised the players and Wenger for it, but after tonight and the game at White Hart Lane I’m starting to think that was an anomaly. I think they largely did take Monaco for granted. But you don’t concede only one goal in the Champions League without being a good team, they should have known that.

I’m feeling pretty down after tonight so apologies for so negative and morose. It’s just hard to find much to be positive about after a game like that.

Anthony
Anthony

Agree completely. The winning mentality has gone, and yes it is the managers job to fuel that.

I’m also pretty down about the result and where it leaves us.

I’d like to think that the so called ‘big’ players of this team will look at themselves and know that they should’ve done better.

I do think we are missing the calming influence of Arteta, for me, he is the guy that always keeps his cool – even when we are loosing, so that we don’t go all kamikaze in the middle of the pitch. As good as Özil/Cazorla are, they don’t bring that calmness to the team.

That being said we are missing that strong core – or at least it seems that way…

Bigafo
Bigafo

I don’t agree, Sanchez was actually doing more than one players job on the pitch, running, attacking and tackling and when others (Ozil, etc) keep loosing the ball. When your team mates are not in tune, then it’s difficult for you to play your game. I believe the situation would have been worse if Sanchez wasn’t playing. Ozil and Giroud were of no much use as they would not tackle after loosing the ball which brought unnecessarily pressure on the defensive midfield.
In hindsight, if Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain had started the match instead of Giroud and Ozil, it could have been a different story (for the better).

two bullets in the chamber
two bullets in the chamber

I really don’t see it with the players we have. Giroud is good but in any title winning team he would be a back up striker. Mertesacker is aging and incredibly slow in age where the game is moving to increasingly fast paced counter attacking style of play. We don’t have anyone good on the right wing. Welbeck and Walcott are decent but in a title winning team would be back ups. We rely on a basically untested player who we recalled from a loan to be the answer to our defensive issues while teams like City have Yaya Toure in that position and Chelsea with Matic. Ramsey had one good season but now can’t stay fit long enough to really get on. And overall we have very little physicality in our team. Which is why we get pushed around and end up with so many injuries. Any team would think twice about pushing around Chelsea with guys like ivanovic matic and Costa in it. I think we need a new approach if we are to win anything. I wish it was Wenger who could adapt and change his approach in terms of what kind of team we should be but if he can’t then so be it, we need a new boss

flappylegs
flappylegs

Alexis is pretty good usually…. On the right wing.

D
D

“I really don’t see it with the manager we have” Corrected for you bullets.

keown is a hard bastard
keown is a hard bastard

I hop I am wrong. But I think we were just knocked out of the champs league by a team who are quality wise about as good as Spurs. Not good enough. Team didn’t look right from the off. I love Wenger but wasn’t happy with the subs. I am sad. But I love The Ox.

minato
minato

Mertersacker is simply not mobile enough to be playing against top/quality opposition. He does well against the lesser teams in the league but too often exposed by good teams.

Hi-brid
Hi-brid

So, if “Mentally we were not ready or sharp enough to get into this game”, then whose fault is that and why is this such a regular occurrence in the big games? Naïve performance yet again but the buck stops with Wenger.

wash_dc_gunner
wash_dc_gunner

My thoughts exactly.

DFS
DFS

Yeah, I simply cannot believe that he says such things as if the issue is not a directly related to management. Its bizarre.

wash_dc_gunner
wash_dc_gunner

I am not Wenger Out. But “Mentally we were not ready or sharp enough to get into this game.” WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?!

begeegs
begeegs

What’s funny is that he acts as if he is not involved with the team at all. He is just a spectator, just like us.

timmytimtimothy
timmytimtimothy

While the team as a whole were really poor, you have to single Per out yet again unfortunately. I really like the guy and thought he had a great season last year excluding those few away games, but from game 1 this season he has been absolutely woeful and has been at fault for an inexcusable number of goals. The fact we didn’t have proper depth at CB was Wenger’s doing – a mistake we all thought obvious – but now we’ve got the cover there in Gabriel (how good he is remains to be seen), so I think it’s time Wenger showed a bit of ruthlessness and gave Per some well-earned bench time, followed by the door at the end of the season.

Monaco Lewinsky
Monaco Lewinsky

“I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”

Well they sure as hell shagged us.

Arseblood
Arseblood

On ‘paper’ we have far superior players….a good manager gets the best from his team.
Wenger fails again and again at the highest level. I’m more convinced than ever after tonight.
Steve Bould must be throwing up tonight after that defensive shambles. Tonight also tells me, his influence is less than zero.

DFS
DFS

Yup, whenever I call out Wenger I call out Bould. I would just love to see Bould stand up one time, go to the sideline and scream at Mertesaker to keep his defensive shape. The idea (I could give a crap about club protocol) you can just sit there in ‘assistant mode’ and watch things turn to crap is beyond me.

Big Moe from Scarbro
Big Moe from Scarbro

Problem is that we are not up to par with the big leauge teams and we lack the quality of players. Bottom line we need to spend some serious dough on a world class defender, midfield and striker. Hopefully this summer the cheapo board will start forking out dough and bring in some heavy hitters.

TR7
TR7

Let’s not overanalyze things. We played like shit. They took advantage of us. It’s just one day. We’ve been playing well lately, so hopefully we can kick on in the next few games and rebuild our momentum. I do think in a game like this, that requires a lot of midfield discipline, that Rosicky should be starting. Lastly, I don’t think we had a single shot from outside the area. When you’re playing against a stack of 10 players behind the ball within 18 yards, it’s important to put shots on goal from outside the box to make sure that the opponents press there line up. I’m no tactician, but that seems important. My new year’s resolution was to not get so pissed when we Arsenal ourselves, so fuck it.

Wenger's Glasses
Wenger's Glasses

I’m so agree with this. & also with the comments from @Anthony above.

But still…what a nightmare of a game tho.

Yar
Yar

That is what you call “hammering”? Please, that’s nowhere close to the hammering they deserve after that shit. Nothing about this team is acceptable from the manager down. It’s almost as if Wenger spent so much time trying to keep Arsenal’s head above water that he’s completely forgotten how to actually swim.

naijagooner
naijagooner

What a f***ing disaster! All teams go into games like this with cautiousness, just look at all the UCL results of this round, only arsenal conceded more than two goals. Fuck this gung ho approach, what happened to all the lessons we learnt against city? Giroud was unlucky but Özil and Mert were absolute shite, Wenger should have the balls to bench Özil when he plays badly…U don’t get a free pass just because you are the most expensive signing and Mertesacker should never have been made vice captain (i’d much rather it was koscielny or Ramsey) Gabriel should play every game from now on till he plays as atrociously as our skipper did today. Also Monreal is a much better defender than Gibbs at the moment and I think Coquelin is getting cocky from all the praise he’s been getting recently. Poor Ox, gotta feel sorry for him, hope that mistake doesn’t screw him up mentally. Also, why can’t Wenger ever realise when things are not going out way and be proactive instead of being reactive. I would have accepted loosing by one goal but a 3-1 loss means we have to score a ton of goals against a team that doesn’t concede.

Greg
Greg

Im looking forward to our highly overrated cd coming out and telling us about more lessons learned.

Hopefully more people will realise the guy is a liability

Henry! Chance!! Goal!!!
Henry! Chance!! Goal!!!

We’ll probably go to Monaco and beat them 2-0 and crash out on goals aggregate. It’s the arsenal thing to do

FreelanceJim
FreelanceJim

No strategy. No game plan. Not mentally prepared. That’s a recipe for disaster.
In big games in any sport, you have to have clarity and conviction in the locker room before the game. If you don’t, it’s uphill all the way. Most of that is the manager’s fault.

And yes, Rosicky should start. And he should give the rest of the team some much needed instruction in passing. He is brilliant.

MY Arse
MY Arse

@arseblood. U cite a lack of influence from Bould but honestly, to me it seems like he has too much influence. We have become a defensively minded team, and the fluidity of our attack has suffered. The club is in two minds, but without Mikel Arteta to wed our new-found defensive style to our old free-flowing football (which many of us loved) we seem to fail on both ends.

Hank Scorpio
Hank Scorpio

Double Feature

Groundhog Day
Starring: Arsene Wenger
Running time: 8 years & counting

Meet the Feebles
Starring: AFC senior squad
Running time: 90 minutes & shown at every remotely important game AFC play

I am convinced we specifically look for the least mentally resilient players we can when making signings. As for Wenger I can only assume that he is going senile because everyone else in the known universe who follows football has seen this team get exposed time and again when playing semi-decent cagey opponents who sit deep & hit us on the break. It is reminiscent of that Simpsons episode ‘is my brother dumber than a hamster’.

gooner1886
gooner1886

I’m surprised that you guys are surprised to be honest.

This is not a new thing, everyone knows the balance of team is not right, tactically or mentally.

The sad thing is that all it takes is a beast centre half (maybe we got him now) and a beast Def mid to play alongside Le coq and we would be a different team.

Any top manager that came into arsenal would get those players and play two holding mids to prevent the crap we saw tonight and so many times before.

After that we’re good enough going forward with a number 10, 2 wide players and a striker.

The thing that annoys me is that wenger must know that his best teams were built on that steel in those key areas and he must know we haven’t had that for years.

I love wenger and all but this is not rocket science

DFS
DFS

Yeah, just made some similar comments myself. No surprise.

As for the ‘well, who would you bring in to manage refrain’ when we have the audacity to criticize Wenger, I have a few managers in mind but seldom if ever bother mentioning anyone.

The point being, I think most of the managers in the EPL would have done a better job in preparing and setting up the team to play Monaco tonight and this is what alarms me.

Caleb
Caleb

Per is such a liability. We have that as our Captain? Goodness me.

SDB
SDB

“mentally we were not ready or sharp enough…” how many times do we have to hear this bs? how can a team not be prepared for a game at home in champions league?

fans come on here after wins against leicester, boro and palace happy for a win against these shit teams, and some of them we barely win, and the team is taking pictures in the dressing room celebrating – when really there should be no fucking result acceptable except a win against these shit teams and no celebrations just a quiet acknowledgment of getting a job done as expected. we lose to the shittiest man u team in ages and lose to spurs and lose to southampton and lose to monaco and you’re reminded of how absurd it is for wenger to think he’s going to manage this team to a premier league title in the next 3 years.

DFS
DFS

Which is why I made a sarcastic comment about the idiotic selfie taken after the Palace game.

I would have been happier to hear the dressing room door was shut and the team called a meeting to discuss why the only thing that saved embarrassment was the cross bar.

The mentality is just off.

jinwee

Sorely disappointed at this game. Honest thoughts are that the team’s a bit jaded somewhat and that the gameplan should have been to maintain the tempo we did in the first few minutes to pressurise Monaco for longer periods of time. We certainly have the players capable of playing quick tempo football. Atm, i feel sth isn’t clicking from the midfield to attack (passes made are too slow for us) though I can’t figure what it is exactly. Hope that we can recover for Everton and hopefully make some changes in midfield like Rozza, Ox, Wilshere for Cazorla, Ozil to give them time to rest & recover.

norcalfan
norcalfan

I agree that: “Kondogbia and Moutinho were on a different planet to our midfield today.”

It was clear time and again, and they overpowered our team with strength and willpower. Monaco also consistently played as a collective, with clear purpose.

Arsenal not only did not play as a collective, but were increasingly less collective as the match wore on. There’s a goal difference tie at stake and giving away one goal does not sink it. Even 1-2 would have left the Arsenal with every motivation to score first in the return leg in Monaco and threaten to take the tie.

What happened? For one, in my view, a double poor choice in taking off Coquelin and Giroud and leaving on Ozil and Welbeck. Two, the team on the pitch lost their heads late in the match in the CL again. There was no need to push everyone forward, and no one kept their head and stayed back. Finally, you have to question Per’s leadership when his poor judgment and lack of will was put on display.

To me, as an Arsenal fan, I am left feeling that there’s something wrong with Ozil right now. First, there’s the throwing his hands in the air and then giving up which just really annoys me. Second, there’s his lack of ruthlessness in front of goal (there was a moment in the first half where he was the target man in the box and he just seemed to pull back).

But mostly I find myself asking where is the chemistry with his teammates? Ozil, admittedly a master passer of the ball, has got Welbeck, Giroud, Alexis and Walcott to feed but he just doesn’t seem to have built trust and understanding with them. it’s like they are all still learning to play together. It may not be true, but Ozil acts like a talented employee whom the boss has assigned to a duty that he disagrees with somewhat…and so he’s not 100% despite clearly showing his talent.

But that’s not good enough to break down Monaco, and today’s team performance overall was not good enough for Arsenal, period.

santori
santori

No problem, just go to France and win 3 nil.

kdazzy
kdazzy

He is right to blame the players. This is a team who had won 10 out of the previous 12 games before last night. A team that have been playing well and looking strong as a unit. So thats the team he used, but they fell to pieces, clearly thought it was going to be a walk in the park and played absolutely shite as a result because monaco did want it more.
Giroud was awful. The same giroud that has been playing great and if wenger hadnt started him we would have went nuts! So why does it always boil down to wenger?
Alot of fans cry about gibbs not starting and then he did last night and was poor also. Monreal probably would have kept it tighter at the back. Alot of you guys have been blowing smoke up coq’s ass yet hes crap but wenger sticks with him because the fans and pundits made him out to be our saviour in DM. Fickle fans shouldnt just blame wenger all the time. The reason we havnt won as much over the years is purely down to unrealistic money being pumped into two teams in particular. You would be thick to think we wouldnt have carried on winning if the likes of man city hadnt spent over a billion on their team in 5 years,,,or maybe im wrong here. Some fans think we should just fight fire with fire and spend the same. The club is a club we want to support for many years, would you prefer we done a leeds and spent all our money?? In my opinion with a good GK and a proper DM we could could seriously challenge.

Ciderman
Ciderman

You think last nights game was unforgivable how about loosing, drawing and loosing against the worst manure side in years? Wenger has to beat manure in the cup or, as one previous poster stated, he will loose the backing of the fans!!!

puding
puding

“Mentally we were not ready or sharp enough to get into this game”

Then do your goddamn job, and make them ready.

Alex
Alex

You truly make me laugh, guys! You’re just fans good for a small team, basta! Counting the pounds Mesut costed and wanting a total return of investment! How would react ManU fans to the incredibly over-rated di Maria and Rooney and co who costed a lot more and are paid MUCH more than Mesut (who is the 11th highest salary in the PL)! You’re just pitiful and you’re not made to support a club better than the 4th place! Great big teams are made with money which often (not always) means talent ! Mesut comes and he is never good enough for you, he has to win you the Leagues (Premier or Champion’s) by himself regardless his partners and the opposition! Come on ! NOBODY does it even Messi or Ronaldo ! Mesut is world champion and was incredible with Bremen, Schalke and Madrid! He has been your best creator last season and would still be bar his injury! He was bad yesterday? Yes and Caz, Sanchez were better? Give me a break!
But this guy earns his salary regarding the scapegoat he is and s*** he receives to take all the blame on his shoulders!

Nacho de Montreal is tasty
Nacho de Montreal is tasty

If Mesut underperforms, it has to be said. I do not believe in any player being great by définition. We would have finished 10th last year and missed the FA cup if it wasn’t for Ramsey yet people treat him as a low quality player because of bad performance this year. Why the double standard ? People started pointing out Alexis underperformance a bit but he is the reason we are third in the league. For people like you, Mesut has to be the best thing in the world all the time. Get real.

EdwardM
EdwardM

You remember them Henry days. There were many would could score but they first fed him. The present attacking mid fielders are glory seekers wishing to get their names on the score sheet. They rarely feed Giroud. Look … last night there were all narrowing into the centre waiting for opportunity to strike with consequence that otherwise good passes into the box missed them because they was in the wrong place! Frankly it’s time to get back to basics again!!!

Arsenal
Arsenal

In my opinion the manager is more responsible rather than
the players for this defeat.Why did he changed Monreal for
Gibbs i dont know.Rosicky should be starting instead of Ozil,
he brings energy and excitment to the game. At half time the
manager did not make even one change to help the team.
Overall we lost because we played with disrespect against
Monaco, we thought like they couldn’t hurt us, we didn’t
close them down, we gave them too much space on counter
attacks.And we got punished.

Tony Hall
Tony Hall

We are a 4th place, occasional cup every few years and last 16 in the CL team and never will be anything else until the players grow some fucking balls, show some mental strength, learn how to defend every game and stop going into meltdown at the first sign of trouble. If Wenger can’t do this then find a fucking manager who can and some players who don’t have the mental strength of a fucking doily. Tired of all this bullshit, year after year after year

Naman Mehra
Naman Mehra

We were poor, no doubt. We were. Goalkeeping, some horrible horrible defending, and a flopped attack.

But Monaco rode on luck. You cannot call them a superb defensive unit and then troll Giroud for missing those chances. If Monaco are the defensive beast of a side people say, Giroud wouldn’t be having the opportunities to waste. And that is why I think we’ll get more dan enough chances in France to win this.

I am nt covering shambolic performance from the team y’day but we had enough chances to scre 4-5. And we’ll have them again. If we play better at the back, we can win. Still.

NaijaGooner
NaijaGooner

Giroud should not be the player in front of Özil. Mertesacker shouldn’t be in the team if the fullbacks are always so high up the pitch. But that’s still not enough excuse for that disaster of a performance.

TeeCee
TeeCee

Now you’d have thought that on going in 0-1 down at half time due to “suicidal” defending, a half time bollocking and some tactical changes would be in order.

Instead we got “repeat ’til fade”. Who’s fault is that?

Mark
Mark

What really gets me is how Wenger says we were suicidal in defending those two goals (esp the third one), but where was he when he should have been organizing the team after we scored not to concede right after we scored? He did the right thing bringing on attacking players for Coq who was on a yellow, but in doing that we needed to keep shape. Once Chamberlin came in we lost all semblance of balance/shape on defense which is on the manager, there has to be a plan with the subs he had to be able to bring attacking players on to score, but keeping tight defensively not to concede.

Gutbukket Deffrolla
Gutbukket Deffrolla

The main point I take from this is that Wenger saw what was going wrong, but because his style is to set the team up and then leave the playing of the game to them, he just sat and watched it happen.

If he likes to sit quietly and allow the team to stray from the game plan then I suppose that’s what he will do, but for fuck’s sake why doesn’t Bould or someone stand up and fucking yell at the Captain to get his team back in hand and playing to the game plan?

It’s stupid to do nothing when you can see what’s going wrong. Substitutions can’t fix the team getting over-excited. A fucking bollocking from the Captain or from the sidelines is what is required.

I don’t dislike Wenger as our manager, but I am flabbergasted to see that the entire coaching team meekly sits around following Wenger’s hands-off approach when just a few words of wisdom from the touchline would remind the Captain to get his players doing what they planned.

I am really disappointed that making Bould our number two has had bugger all lasting benefit to the team. Either Wenger is a tyrant and his coaching team are all scared of him, or they’re all natural yes men with no fucking meaningful input of their own. How can our entire coaching staff just sit meekly on the sideline and have as little impact on our game as the rest of us who were watching it on TV? They only seem to be there to complain to the 4th official about how unfair everything is when a decision goes against us.

We still need a sports psychologist to give our team the “mental strength” Wenger keeps saying they have. It’s not enough to tell the players that they’re really skillful so they should just get out there and do what they do and good things will happen for them. It won’t. They’ll be outwitted. Like Monaco did. Like Crystal Palace did.

We may not want any Nevilles commentating on our games, but I wish we had one (the smart, tactically aware one) as our number two with instructions to put some fucking fight and discipline into our play, and to shout useful advice at the players during a game if they start getting lazy or panicking. All Koscielny needed yesterday near the end was a friendly yell of “Where the fuck do you think you’re going?”