Chongqing Lifan confirm Adams arrival

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As has been widely reported over the last few days, Tony Adams has taken up a coaching role with Chinese Super League side Chongqing Lifan.

The legendary Gunner had been tipped to coach Arsenal’s under-18s alongside Kwame Ampadu after undertaking a five-week trial following Thierry Henry’s high-profile departure. For whatever reason, it appears he was not offered (or chose not to take?) the position on a permanent basis.

Adams had interviewed for the managerial position at Danish side Brondby earlier in the summer after drawing a line under his time as Sporting Director at Azerbaijani club Gabala FC.

The 49-year-old has previously managed Wycombe Wanderers and Portsmouth.

Chongqing Lifan unveiled Adams at a press conference confirming a link-up with La Liga outfit Granada. The Chinese club’s owner, Jiang Lizhang, is also the majority shareholder at the Spanish club and owns a stake in NBA franchise Minnesota Timberwolves.

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Rupert
Rupert

first time I heard the name of the club I spent approximately 17 minutes determining whether it was a play on words or not

Mike
Mike

A shame but he’s still Mr Arsenal.

Double98
Double98

He’s “Captain Chongqing” now.

Fletcher
Fletcher

At least he did choose coaching over just (talking) to earn his money.

Rozza the samourai
Rozza the samourai

Mr Arsenal did choose big money over U18 assistant coach with Arsenal. Why this is any different from Henry’s case?

Bould's Eyeliner
Bould's Eyeliner

It’s different because coaching in China doesn’t require you to mouth off on Arsenal on a weekly basis.

John C
John C

It’s a very worrying trend that’s emerging this summer with the number of times the club has been publically rejected.

We know for certain that Vardy, Henry and Adams have all turned down the opportunity to come to Arsenal and for some reason, which I all think we know, players and coaches alike don’t see their professional life being enhanced by joining the club.

When you can’t convince someone like Adams to join the coaching staff after he’s stated he’d be happy to make the tea, we must not only be showing a lack of ambition but even worse, actively putting people off joining. It really shows that the club are heading in a worrying direction.

Lee
Lee

I think you’re massively overthinking at least 2 of those decisions – and even then I can pick apart all 3 for you.

The Vardy thing was a very confusing one, but to put it simply (and my take on it) he’s a big fish in a small pond. If he stepped up to The Arsenal and didn’t make it, ultimately he would have been found out for what he is – a very good player, but someone who isn’t going to win you the Champions League.

Henry was asked to choose his coaching role over Sky, one which I stand with the club by. It is a full time job, and let’s be honest, if you went and criticised the company you work for on live TV, you’d have your P45 on the table well before you can even start typing your letter of resignation.

As for Adams, this is money related, absolutely has to be. Don’t really need to say much more cause he’ll be back in a few months. Every big name who has went to China has ‘loved’ it so far.

John C
John C

So Vardy’s a big fish in a small pond you say? Leicester are the Champions, not Arsenal so we’re a downgrade, we clearly didn’t do enough to convince him he’d be better coming to the Emirates. If he seriously thought he had a genuine chance of winning the Champions League with Arsenal he would have signed in a heartbeat make no mistake.

As for Henry, why would remaining at Sky be preferable to becoming a coach and help him achieve his long term goal of becoming a manager? Again whatever we’ve said or done has turned him off pursuing those goals with Arsenal and made work as a TV pundit a more attractive proposition. The same could be said of Adams, how have we allowed going to the arse end of nowhere become greater for your life chances that being at Arsenal? Sorry but i can’t see how any of this doesn’t reflect very badly on the club.

Kev S
Kev S

Henry chose to get paid £4m a year sitting on a comfy chair and talking rather than being coach-it’s not hard to see why. If you think Henry should have stayed and continued his punditry on Sky you’re not really thinking straight. No other person is working as a coach and a pundit, even if they are club legends. Only have to look at Man Utd – Scholes and Giggs started punditry as soon as they left the club, probably because they weren’t allowed to do both at the same time. So I don’t see why Henry should get special dispensation.

As Grimandi put it, there are plenty of ex-players working for the club – you only ever hear about the ones that get away because people like yourself make a big deal out of it. Henry staying or leaving as a member of staff has literally no impact on the first-team and the season ahead. Stop crying about it.

Rozza the samourai
Rozza the samourai

Luis Fernandez from France was pundit in France and coach of Guinea.

SizC
SizC

Wow, I completely forgot about that major footballing powerhouse that is Guinea!

John C
John C

It is hard to see why, Wenger is on double or triple that amount so as far as earning potential goes it would have made good sense to quit Sky if it was only down to money. Plenty of people take the short term drop in wages for longer term financial reward.

As Grimandi, the bit part squad player, said there are plenty of ex-players at the club, who are they? Other nonentities like him? Very few with an affinity to the club and successes like Henry and Adams, 2 genuine club legends who are allowed to walk away far too easily for my liking. It’s the Henry’s and Adams’ of this world that the club should be making an effort to keep not the likes of Grimandi.

Arsene Wenger's Secret Lovechild

Okay, for a start:

It’s not worrying because we have absolutely no idea what’s going on.

Money, lack of ability or experience for the role, inability to deal with the pressure, building up to the pressure of bigger roles, not wanting the same scrutiny as Gary Neville (etc.).

Secondly, he’s on half the wages of Wenger for, what,1/40th of the overall football experience? I’m not going to equate that to non-playing days but, suffice to say, there is no justification for Sky paying Thierry his astronomical fee aside from his glowing playing career and the audience that his reputation procures/trust that his reputation instils. Don’t get me wrong; I love his punditry, but talking about football in a coherent manner is not coaching and will never justify the rigours of a coaching role.

Finally: of all the world-class players like Henry, how many have made the transition into management? Zidane? Only after biting the bullet with the Real Madrid academy, which would not have paid 1/100th of Sky’s fee.

You talk about intangibles lie them being ‘legends’, but these players don’t often make good managers or coaches. Bergkamp is the only player I’m desperate to see at Arsenal in the future because his role at Ajax has been intensively focused on playing style of the youth academy and his autobiography is full of theory on the game. No other Arsenal players have instilled that kind of confidence in me, and as much as I love Adams and Henry, they have not indicated any ability for coaching, only excellence in playing.

John C
John C

For a start they turned down the U18 position, hardly a role under great scrutiny.

Wenger’s on I believe £12.5m a year although i know a lot of people think it’s £8m, i believe the first figure is the correct one, which would be more than triple, and he doesn’t have 40 times more football experience does he? Maybe double, without the first hand experience of different techniques Henry picked up from playing under managers like Guardiola and in different countries, which would certainly broaden his experience in many ways. But i don’t think you employ guys like Henry or Adams for their coaching skills, you employ them for their inspiration.

Anyway, I for one think Henry is a shit pundit, talks complete nonsense and would probably be a crap manager but that’s not the point i’m getting at.

The point i’m getting at is it would have been unheard of 10-15 years ago that the club would be rejected publically so many times in one summer. The fact that Jamie Vardy, a Leicester City player, has turned us down is unprecedented, he would have walked over hot coals not that long ago to sign for us. But this is the result of being happy to participate in the league and champions league and not trying to win it, it’s eroded the clubs prestige and attractiveness to even our own.

You cite Zidane as an example of a world class player who’s transitioned into a decent manager, i’m not sure his body of work reflects that, but he’s actually a better example of my point than yours. Why was he happy to be a Real youth team coach but Henry and Adams not one at Arsenal? Surely the same opportunities are open to him but he chooses Real Madrid ahead of them.

And this is my question, why are we not inspiring the same loyalty from our own legends and why are players no longer seeing Arsenal the place to fulfil their ambitions? Whilst being rejected once could be written off, 3 times starts to show a pattern.

goonerestgooner
goonerestgooner

how do you know it was Adams that turned down Arsenal and not the other way round?

John C
John C

Well lets that him out of the discussion then, does that make Vardy and Henry’s decisions to turn us down ok?

GoonerEris
GoonerEris

What is so hard for you to understand, John C? It wasn’t possible for Henry to keep both jobs or roles, if you like, without a conflict of interest situation developing. Maybe, you should name another full time manager who is a full time pundit. Cannot? There; that’s why Henry made the choice to stay with the more lucrative Sky role.

As for Adams, after suggesting he would do anything, including serve the Tea at the club, to get a role with Arsenal, isn’t it obvious he went for more money if he now got an even better role with the academy and still chose to leave? Arsenal has a reputation of being very accessible to ex-players and that’s why we have Robert Pires always about and likes of Ljunberg, Lehman, Bould, Ampadu and a host of others who serve as scouts, doing stuff at the club.

John C
John C

What’s difficult for you to understand that Arsenal has lost it’s standing and prestige to the point where probably our 2 most important players of the last 30 years and a leicester player would rather go somewhere else but Arsenal. If you think thats a good sign thats your business, i think it isn’t!

MTZ
MTZ

He’s 49? Damn, that made me feel old. I was still thinking of him of as a fairly recent Arsenal player with lots of time to get into coaching and managing.

Rozza the samourai
Rozza the samourai

Couldn’t see him around Wenger. He wanted Wenger’s job so much.

Thierry Ennui
Thierry Ennui

Wow, just arrived – that was a long flight!

Man
Man

Good luck in Wales cap.