Wenger: Oxlade-Chamberlain shunned new deal, so I decided to sell

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Arsene Wenger says he wanted Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain to stay at Arsenal and sign a new deal, but the midfielder made his mind up to leave.

The 24 year old joined Liverpool on deadline day, two days after being part of an Arsenal team that got spanked 4-0 at Anfield.

“He had one year to go,” he said. “At the start of the season we had four players with one year to go.

“I wanted him to extend his contract, yes. He decided to go. We respect that but at the end of the day, I decided to sell.

“We respect his decision and that’s absolutely normal and I have no problem with that.

“What’s important is that the players make a good career, preferably in your club. If it doesn’t happen, you still want them to have a good career.”

It’s pretty magnanimous stuff from Wenger, but he nevertheless reminded the Ox that when you’re at a big club you’ve got to work hard to ensure your place in the team.

“What do you want, to be a big player and not fight?” he said.

“What do you want on top of that, sitting in a rocking chair saying ‘I’m a big player – I don’t need to fight’?

“It does not work like that. Every player can do that and he does it so overall I am convinced it is part of being a top player.”

We’ve had players depart in much more bitter circumstances, but let’s hope Oxlade-Chamberlain reminds us why taking £40m for him was seen as good business.

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he hasn’t exactly set the world alight but my concern is we are just using the fee to help offset the loss on sanchez / possibly ozil

Goooooonnnnaaaaaaa

Ox would have turned out to be another Walcott. Plays well enough to ensure he’s back in the manager’s mind, but would have never fulfilled the obvious potential he has in this current set up. Fantastic business selling him to Liverpool, he’s perfect for them. Only thinks about bursting forward, sloppy with possession, with his mistakes in dangerous places on the pitch leading to counter attacks.

I also would have kept Ozil and Sanchez, I actually agree with what we did this summer (I mean the stance we took with the players we kept & sold, it’s obvious we need a DM and/or a CB). What I don’t agree with is changing your mind in the last minute and deciding to sell Sanchez only to realize you can’t get his replacement (lemar) because he had a game literally hours later. Shambles.

Atom

I would just say that in general we are extremely indecisive when it comes to player retention & transfers so this summer was just par for the course. Hopefully by bringing a solid backroom staff Arsenal can become much more “professional” in its decision making and transfer dealings.

Dial square

FFS, we know that…honestly I absolutely love Arsenal, have done for 30 years, but I’m so fucked off with the whole thing now, Sanchez, Ozil, Wenger, going staying, who cares, stop telling us what we already know, the whole clubs a bloody shambles in my eyes, and what really hurts is I don’t even get upset anymore when we lose, because we’re so fucking mediocre.
A good start would be to not play Sanchez for one minute for the rest of the season, it’s fucking embarrassing watching him play for us, killing time until he fucks off to play for someone else…..rant over.

Godfrey Twatsloch

I suggested before the start of the season that we’ll have to get used to him leaving us eventually so why not do it now (or then as it was at the time) and at least have money to spend on a replacement. As things stand for now we’ll get zilch for a player who has (so far at least) contributed precious little to our season.

I watched the Citeh – Leicester game the other night and there’s Mahrez playing well as always. I wish we had him instead of Sanchez right now.

Samgunz

Sanchez is the dumber party in this situation, I would put Wenger at fault for purchasing such an immature character as that is not usually his type. But Sanchez (nearly 30) would do very well to stick it out at Arsenal as I believe by next season he will have lost a fair amount of his pace which is a huge part of his game and from there on he will be on the down tail of his career. He may go to a big club but will quickly become a squad player as there will be little loyalty in playing a new signing who is in recline, at Arsenal however he will be respected for what he’s done and still be a hero at the club, if he leaves, like many others, he will regret it.

Godfrey Twatsloch

Exactly! Good luck maintaining a regular slot at Man City the way they are playing at the moment. He’ll be a back up there and God help him should he put in a poor performance.

It really is so true what Dial Square says. Not happy? Then fuck them off out of it, regardless of who they are. Any club that does that will always be better off in the long run.

Lingards\' Milly Rock
Lingards\' Milly Rock

100%! Once a player has decided they want to move to another club, and you block it from happening, 9 times out of 10 they become an absolute liability.

Funnily enough…Liverpool should be praised for how they dealt with Suarez, paid him more in the short-term, extended his contract to receive a higher transfer fee, and told him he could leave in a year. Shrewd and creative management. If only we had such ‘internal solutions’ to our contract issues.

Its a shame we as a club are not shrewd with transfer dealings, and are generally poor sellers, low fees for contracted players (Cesc) or no clauses for those with potential (Gnabry), worst of all though is using players who don’t fit as makeweights. Leicester were interested in Elnenny, and we allowed him ‘stay and fight for his place’. We could have told him that there would be no place for him, and used him to land Kante. Similarly with Van Dijk at Southampton and Theo Walcott. (Look at how PSG dealt with Ben Arfa…and lets not start the selective usage of ‘we are a club of class’)

This isn’t ‘fantasy manager’ football, or even wishful thinking, but simply doing what is best for the club. Players do the same when it comes down to contracts and leveraging 10 good games to get huge pay rises, and then their displays dip. Perhaps shrewd transfers reiterate consistent performances are expected.
Lets hope the new appointments in Raul and Huss help rectify these issues, and the manager is receptive.

Final point, an extreme example of this seems to be Cristiano at Madrid and his constant ploys to get wage increases…but he has scored 289 goals in 252 appearances since he joined the club. You can’t begrudge him that.

loose_cannon

We’re very poor with transfer negotiations and even worse at contracts. No getting round that

Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia
Eternal Titi Berg Pat Nostalgia

Aguero sometimes stays on the bench and unused for entire game. Sanchez knows what he can expect that includes the bank account though.

caligunner

If he goes to lets say City and is part of a rotation challenging for titles or starting out of loyalty at a club that he feels can’t win titles thats a no brainer for him. He’ll get more money and doesn’t have to do everything because he’ll have other top players to play with and lean on.

caligunner

Well as always? he is so inconsistent since the title winning year. I wouldn’t want him.

Kwame Ampadu Down

100% caligunner. Mahrez was brilliant when they won the league, poor since then & brilliant again since they started winning again under a new manager. A supremely talented player who disappears when things don’t go his way. Surely that is the last thing this Arsenal squad needs.

caligunner

This is going to continue like it does at every club. This is part of the game when you have star players that other clubs want. If it isn’t Ozil, Wilshere or Sanchez this year it will be x,y or z next year and the year after that.

Look at at Neymar. First year at PSG and rumors of him going to Real already. Thats parts of having star players.

the year that it stops is the year we have no one that other clubs want. That will be a sad sad state lol

ronaldo

we are talking about the ox, no one else

ronaldo

yes, its true, we are talking about the ox, not sanchez, or ozil, but the ox, understand the ox

John C

It’s going to stop next year as we won’t have anyone other teams want!

ronaldo

lol, you mean they do now

Brighton

In hindsight, that really was a fantastic piece of business.

QMantis

Maybe it was the way it all went down with him playing a stinker and then leaving to join that very same team, but I couldn’t give a dead rats arse about him. It’s just a pity wenger kept on saying how much he wants him at the club ect when it was clear he had no intention of staying. It really goes to show if a player wants to leave then sell him and move on for everyone’s sake.

Awesomesauce25

Publicly announcing you want to sell him isn’t a very wise way to get the most out of a transfer fee.

John C

The best way to avoid that discussion is not to allow your players to run down their contracts.

Godfrey Twatsloch

Arsenal did the right thing to sell him and considering his patchy form we got paid very well for him.

John C

3 months of patchy form?

CLOCKENdRIDER

I can only hope this is part of the same disinformation process via which we will be getting rid of Walcott

Faisal Narrage

I think it comes down to a bit of Ox not fighting and taking responsibility of himself, but also Ox losing faith in Wenger’s ability to develop him.

I mean he hasn’t really progressed since he got her. It may be him, it may be Wenger. Time will tell with his mood.

Though I do wonder about Wenger’s once maidas touch to develop youth. Seems to be an issue in recent years (Bellerin has regressed, Iwobi really hasn’t kicked off and seems to have lost that little bit of individualism that he had when he broke through).

Ox is gonna decide a lot of things. If he’s gamble turns out to be correct, the it brings up a lot of questions in the development of recently youth prospects

Homer

This is a late comment on yours, Faisal.
Its interesting; AW’s midas touch – things are different now then they were 15-20 years ago. Footballers were hungrier. AW’s philosophy of passing and individual expression seems passe’ now. Its all about, “what’s your system” with all the over analysis and uber analytics. AW was different and fresh. But that seems to be sort of the old way. (perhaps it comes back, who knows.)

But footballers these days, with the massive personality rights, the twatter feeds, the instagramming. Its a different ethos. How many of them really take responsibility for their own development, for their own professional evolution, or skill honing? Darn few I’d say.

I think you nailed it with the Ox. He is a 1 trick pony (akin to Walcott w/a worse touch). Ox wants Klopp to make him a better player – he cannot be arsed to push himself and take the initiative to make himself a better player.
Did Ronaldo (either Brazillian or Portugese ) ask a manager to make them better? Did Bergkamp? Did Vieira? Henry pushed himself. Messi same. Maldini, same. All the big names up until the last 5 or so years … they did it themselves.

Ox has zero football brain. Maybe he will fit into Klopp’s system of run n gun, maybe he won’t. But he went missing earlier this year at Liverpool. He’s got no bottle. AW gave him a shot and he just fucked around. Good riddance.

Third+Plebeian

Of course, this means he’ll play a blinder against us tomorrow, and probably score. Ex players with something to prove always undo us. I’m already bored.

arsepedant

No, we’ll beat them 5-0 and the fifth goal will be a spectacular own goal from Oxtail-Chambermaid, coming about two minutes before his red card.

gooner

Alex Overrated-Tumbleweed I hear you say?

Paul Kirby

Remember when @arseblog came up with one of his funniest names ever for him soon after he joined us & I discussed making a t-shirt using it with the slogan
Forget Walcott We Have Oxencart-Chamberpot

The Arsenal

The problem I have with Wenger’s comments is, did he sit with the Ox and tell him.why he was not getting regular game time or play in his preferred position (like what he needed to do to get that)? If he did and the Ox still did not work hard enough then I am happy with the decision. I read about some comments Klopp made about the Ox re: his shortcomings which he is going to work with him to rectify and improve.

During his days at Arsenal, every time he played in the middle he did well. His 2 starts at Liverpool so far came against Westham and Chelsea and he played in the middle and did very well. There in lies the problem at Arsenal. Wenger does not seem to coach players anymore but just play them and hope that they will become better. Look at Theo, he has been playing the same way and committing the same errors for over a decade now. Why have those errors not been corrected? Is he that stupid not to learn when taught?

Reading the comments by Klopp, I am tempted to say we will see the Ox realize his potential at Liverpool under the tutelage of Klopp whereas he couldn’t do that Arsenal

loose_cannon

100% agree and the Walcott comparison is telling. Last season was arguably his best ever for us but by his own admission, it was totally self-directed. Doesnt feel like Wenger is really developing these players any more…

Alex

“why he was not getting regular game time ”

I beg your pardon? Ox was an undisputed starter this season, Bellerin was put to the left to acomodate him, Wenger disturbed the whole structure to please Ox! We lost points because Wenger wanted to convince Ox to stay!

Nacho Man

He wasn’t an ‘undisputed’ starter at all. Kolasinac and Monreal were forced to cover LCB and CB respectively. As a result, Bellerin was forced to cover the LWB gap left by kolasinac/monreal. Ox was pretty much the only reasonable option remaining for the RWB position (since at that stage Debuchy & Gibbs were still in exile).

That is even before you consider the fact that Bellerin was dropped for bad form last season, and that ox basically took his position and done better (eg FA cup game & league that followed). It’s not like Bellerin has done much better this season to rightfully claim that position back. It was simply handed back to him after Ox left.

You’re making it sound like he held the club to ransom for that RWB position, when in reality he was actually helping Wenger out of a defensive jam for failing miserably in the transfer market to sign adequate CB cover. That lack of CB cover is what caused everyone to be shuffled around. In fact, we’re half-way through the season and we’re still forced to play Monreal at CB and Ainsley at LB. Stop trying to paint a false picture.

And talking about regular game time for the CM role, I’d be pretty pee’d off myself if I had to sit on the bench and watch Xhaka directly assist 8-10 goals this season.

Faisal Narrage

That’s basically my point above.
We’ve already seen with the Guardian’s story on Hayden the difference in direct coaching between Wenger and Benitez, we already know that Wenger isn’t the most technical and very hands off with his coaching, and we’ve seen the outcome of that.

In many years, we’ve lost some talent who just simply didn’t feel they would progress under Wenger (Ox, Gnabry) Maybe there really is something in that.

Cultured determination
Cultured determination

Ox’s style suits a klopp team so the deal turned out best for all perties. Next is Alexis, who hasnt been in gd form, or he has forgotten hat made him successful. He seems to try to find thr final ball or shoot EVERY time. It cant work every time cos then the whole team will be working for 1 person’s individual flair good as he may be, it is overdoing it by himself and not trusting his team mates. I know i know… he thinks and some of us think te redt are not up to mark, but surely pass more to and play more as a trio with the other 2 superstars too?

Goonertilidie

Give the turncoat hell! I wanna see him doing a Nasri, begging to be taken off.

ronaldo

but he was the future of arsenal lmao

Remy44

A lot of hate for Ox on here. Injuries played a part of him not showing his best but the main factor was him being mismanaged by Wenger, constantly shunted out to the wing to make way for Ramsey, when in truth Ox has a lot more natural abilities to make it as a top player.

You watch what Klopp does with Ox over the next few years…

loose_cannon

Will be unpopular, maybe even blasphemous on here, but we mishandled the Ox situation and lessons need to be learned. Truth is he’s actually doing well for Liverpool in an attacking position and a high tempo style that suits him. Meanwhile instead of looking forward, we’ve prioritised the past, playing a style that doesn’t quite suit many of the players we have, playing people out of position and clinging to superstars who are destined to leave for free.

To this day I dont understand the Ox situation. He’s not a defender so why was he playing at RWB where he was clearly unhappy? If we wanted to keep him, why only offer him a contract at the last minute when his head has already been turned? My only hope is we dont repeat these mistakes with Wilshere or others but the fact that we’ve bafflingly not offered him a new contract yet suggests not.

Th14

There’s is this whole baseless talk of being played out of position. Most times when said about Arsenal, it is usually to criticize Wenger and nothing else.

All managers play players “out of position”. For instance, let’s look at a few cases from other clubs.

1. Valencia (Manchester United). At Wigan, Valencia was played as a Winger/forward before arriving Manchester. He was a very attacking player and Ferguson used him primarily as a Winger. Both LVG and Mourinho have used him as fullback/wingback and he has excelled there.

2. Azpilicueta (Chelsea) Before arriving Chelsea he played as a right back. Mourinho used him as a left back and Conte as a centre back. He has excelled in both.

3. Fabian Delph (Manchester City). A midfielder, Guardiola has used him as a left back and he’s been excellent so far.

4. Milner (Liverpool). A midfielder played as a left back at Liverpool with mixed results.

5. Mascherano (Barcelona). A defensive midfielder at Liverpool played as a centre back at Barcelona with overwhelming success.

I can go on and on for both successful and unsuccessful ones. but let’s look at Arsenal.

1. Henry. Winger played as Centre forward with overwhelming success.
2. Lauren. Midfielder played as right back with overwhelming success.
3. Kolo Toure. Midfielder played as a centre back with overwhelming success.
4. Van Persie. Winger played as as a centre forward (a move that was heavily criticised) with overwhelming success.
5. Carzola. Attacking midfielder played as deep lying playmaker with overwhelming success.
6. Gibs. Winger played as a left back with mild success.
7. Belerin. Winger played as rightback/wingback with initial success but declining performances.

If you look through you would see that not only has Wenger done it with overwhelming success, other managers do it as well. We can’t just point at a few who didn’t succeed and it becomes the basis for attacking the manager. The job of the manager is not just to field a player where the player wants but where he has identified the player can contribute most to the team or develop best given his skills set. A manager trains with the players every day and sees what fans do not see or what the player doesn’t even see about himself. Besides, the fact that a youngster has started out in a particular position does not mean he has to establish and end his career in that position. Managers do a lot of things in the interest of the club and the players. Some work out well and others do not.

Mick Malthouse

Totally agree with selling him, but what use is getting a good financial return on a player at Arsenal. It’s not like that clever piece of Business will allow us to reinvest elsewhere. We have the money if we want to use, but we won’t and will wait last minute in January again for a bargain that doesn’t exist!

Getting a good price on a sale means nothing anymore.

Alex

Sorry, guys, but i don’t buy this “Ox left because Wenger wasn’t nice enough to put him where Ox wanted to be”. At Arsenal Özil played on the left, on the right, as a 8, while his fav position is a 10. With Real, he played to the right too, with Germany, he played during the World cup to the left, first, then to the right, as a 10 in finale. Ox is a young player who still has lots to prove. If his Majesty left because he didn’t play where HE wanted to play, then bye bye. That’s the life of a pro football player to be flexible. First you prove, then you ask.

Shambles

Yes. Let’s take what is applicable to one player and generalize it for all players. Busquets is a damn good defensive midfielder for barcelona so let’s play him on the wings and if they ask us why, we’ll tell them ozil can play in different positions.

Homer

No, Alex he makes a good point.

Faisal Narrage

Erm, you do know that Ozil now playing in his favoured role was a key reason for why he chose Arsenal, as he requested that he played in his preferred role as much as possible?

He doesn’t enjoy being on the wings either.

Shambles

It’s interesting to read what paulinho’s saying about his time playing for the spuds. In all his time there, he only played in his preferred position two or three times and how that can be difficult in a league like England’s. Now he’s doing very well at barcelona.

I simply cannot understand our obsession with “training” young players in positions that aren’t theirs to make them better in their preferred position. What is the point of the Ox signing a new deal if he’s never gonna get his chance in the middle of the park?

Twatsloch

Because he wasn’t consistent in his preferred position while starting to show some out on the wing.

Dan

Whether or not we did well out of the sale it’s somewhat disingenuous to claim that arsenal made an offer that was knocked back when if fact the club held off offering anything for ages. By the time they did come up with an offer the Ox’s head was already turned. Exactly the same thing is happening with Wilshere

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Who is Oxlade-Chamberlain ?

CruEL

Problem is AW puts too much weightage on “working hard”. U can be talentless but if u show u work harder than much better players than you, u get a chance to the detriment of the overall team.

Cygan, senderos, Stepanov, yaya sanogo, Adebayor, diaby (after injury he worked really hard and but aw refuse to accept the fact he is no longer the same after the injury) etc it’s all well and good that a club supports the injured player, cazorla now for eg but there must be a limit. Diaby even got a new contract during his injury.

Talents we lost due to not working hard. Arshavin, poldoski, carlos vela, stephen Hughes, David Bentley, Serge Gnabry etc

There must be a balance.