Arsenal offer Wilshere a new deal, and a pay cut

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It’s being reported that Arsenal have offered Jack Wilshere a new contract, but the structure of the deal is such that the midfielder will see his basic salary reduced, with a number of incentives built in.

With question marks over his fitness, the club have offered him a smaller weekly wage than he currently earns, but with bonuses for the number of appearances he makes and his performances he could surpass that with the new contract.

Wilshere has spoken frequently about how much he wants to stay – going so far as to express his desire to club captain – but Arsene Wenger has made it clear that it will be down to him to accept what’s on offer.

Speaking in December, the Arsenal manager said, “I believe that, if we can meet a point of agreement financially, he will want to stay.”

The risk, of course, is that despite this kind of offer making sense on an objective level, Arsenal run the risk of losing Wilshere to bigger offers from clubs who can afford to push the boat out because of his availability on a free transfer come June.

They would also have to assume the risk of his injury record, but you can be sure there’d be no shortage of suitors for his services. Will his loyalty to Arsenal and love of the club make the difference?

We’ll see.

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Espen

I feel sad for him but i do hope he signs and stay.

SG_Gooner

all the directors should sign the same type of package too

top 4 finish get your pay check

top 2, get some bonus

5th and below, a letter of gratitude.

NorthernGoon

I was thinking P45 for 5th but yours works too.

Holyviper

This.

The letter of gratitude is important. Until we’re 8th or below. Then we can avoid that too.

Santori

That should be more for the manager and coaches.

The board somewhat but they also have to be weighed on non football related factors like marketing and overall finances of the club. But great idea.:D

Wie

We should find a way to put you on board of director

John C

If Xhaka and Drinkwater are £35m players in today’s market so is Jack. So considering he’s free to go anywhere in 6 months time offering him £150,000 a week on a 4 year contract is still considerably cheaper than buying a replacement, the only question is do we want to keep him.

When he signed his last deal only a select few clubs could afford the £100k a week he gets paid, now every club in the league can pay that and most could offer significantly more for the right player on a free transfer.

If he’s not going to be challenging for the league at Arsenal why would he do it for less money than he could earn at say Crystal Palace?

David C

Xhaka was only rated 35 million by Arsenal. No other team were bidding on him so I’m sure we could have got him for lower….

John C

Who knows but how much would it cost to replace Jack?

No.+8

I don’t see a possible replacement for Jack. Not many can do what he does.

Santori

Capability you can find.

its the level of passion he has for this club that he has grown up with.

I believe in Barcelona they like to call it DNA.

Chippys chip

Wengerout superJack IN.

Santori

We got in early on Granit.

But 35m is about right for an International with good potential and at a good age just before peak years. In yesterday’s market probably a 15m quid player.

caligunner

Realistically only 8-12 clubs can afford a player on that wage. Outside the top 6 not many can afford more then 1 maybe 2 players in the 100K range.

Biggest problem i have on the offer is if he is making 90K now and the offer is for less than that lets say 70K? How high does it go if the incentives are met?

Healthy Jack with his skills are worth like you said easy 150-200K especially on the free. Obviously that is the big question can he stay healthy so maybe the incentives would easily boost that wage up to 150-200K.

Bottom line is I hope he signs.

John C

Any established premier league club can if they’re not paying a transfer fee.

If Crystal Palace can pay £30m for Benteke they can pay Jack £150,000 a week for 4 years, it works out as an outlay of £31.2m. Same goes for Bournemouth, Southampton, West Ham and Watford, all teams that have paid out transfer fees in the £20m mark.

This is why i’m not sure why Arsenal have decided to take a stand in this particular case.

When a player is in the last 6 months of their contracts you’re not negotiating a new contract you’re trying to sign a free agent and you have to factor in what you’d pay in a transfer fee.

The question you have to ask yourself is this a player you would sign if he played for another team and how much would you be prepared to pay if he did. If the answer to the first question is yes and you’d be prepared to pay a transfer fee over the £20m mark then £35m over the length of the deal is the minimum you’d expect to pay.

The horse has bolted in this particular case.

caligunner

The problem is that the Jack we know is constantly injured and not with just nagging injuries but major injuries and that would make anyone gun shy.

I get what you are saying. You can also argue the Benteke deal is for a specifically a goal scorer and those you pay a premium for.

Lets say Crystal Palace did pay that wage on a free for Jack and he gets hurt it would devastate Palace. I would say no I don’t think they would but of course technically they can.

badaab

Why have we offered less? Two words: josh kroenke. This is his style… he did the same with Chauncey Billups while at the denver nuggets. Billups is a denver native who wanted to play here, and because he was aging, yet wanted a new contract, kroenke traded him along with Anthony to the knicks. The Nuggets have been terrible since.

Zakgooner

If this were an extension with two years remaining this would make business sense, given our failure to secure Sanchez and the potential departure if Ozil, this will inevitable add to the negativity around the club and the media circus surrounding our general transfer approach. Jack is one of the few players who wears the badge and knows what it means, lets hope he goes for this…

LEFT08

Offering players deals long before their contract expires doesn’t automatically guarantee they’ll sign them. We can say what we like about contracts policy but its not a one way thing. The concern for me is that we can’t really compete with filthy rich clubs and offer competitive pay to players.

masterofthegoonaverse
masterofthegoonaverse

Only 2 or three of them in this country and we’ve shown plenty of times we can beat them. Semi and final for starters. But at the moment it seems as if it’s attitude that’s missing.
Fuck off Sanchez (today) and Kroenke (asap)

IamaGoober

@LEFT08

Arsenal fans need to stop with this whole idea that we are total paupers. It is not the case. We have absolutely truck loads of cash.

If you don’t believe me, go and look at our financial information, its all online. There is so much money available.

Also people need to stop worrying about FFP rules. Back in 2015 Platini publicly stated that UEFA were going to relax their regulations. Hence you’ve got PSG signing Neymar for £200M, Barcelona signing Coutinho for £145M, and City spending pretty much £1.5B over the last few seasons. FFP doesn’t really matter anymore. Clubs are able to swell their wage bills without too many issues from UEFA providing they can justify it. And just to point out, clubs are extremely savvy at finding lots of alternate ways to meet a new players financial demands during contract negotiations. They use their relationships with huge corporate sponsors to help pay for players wages. As an example, the Sanchez deal to United, there are reports that they are willing to meet Alexis representatives demands of £400K a week. Now not all of that £400K will be paid for by United. They will find a way to subsidize a large percentage of that from their sponsors and potentially other third parties.

So the Jack Wilshere deal doesn’t come as much as a surprise. The guy has hardly played over the last 3 or so years due to injury, as we know. So obviously his market value isn’t that high currently. He doesn’t really hold much leverage to be able to negotiate a huge new contract with Arsenal. I think a contract with built in financial rewards and incentives for keeping fit makes sense at this point. As the article points out, the only thing it leaves us vulnerable to is if someone like City decide they want him, and come in and offer him a huge contract. Then that will be a test of Wilshere’s desire to be an Arsenal player, and the clubs mettle as well. Because then the player would have a fair bit of leverage over Arsenal, and his agents could easily ask for an improved offer.

caligunner

If you looked at it already how much is available for transfers? wages?

I’m not an accountant so I’m assuming its financials are in accountant speak? lol

btw

Seems like the right move for me, whether or not we get “gazumped” by another club is a risk we have to take. Really don’t want to see Jack sitting on high wages for five years of injuries, don’t want to see him go to another club and stay fit either. Catch 22.

Gudaffiduck

I don’t really care what wages he’s on as it isn’t my money, I’d rather we got this one over the line quickly. I wouldn’t have minded half as much about getting it done super quickly if it weren’t for the ozil sanchez saga; why even run the risk of losing wilsh with this deal. This just proves again that this club has no urgency.

Really hope he signs on though

Clive St Helmet

I just don’t see the logic of this point of view at all.

It *literally* is your money if you attend games, buy club merchandise, pay for a Sky or BTTV subscription (even if it’s just entertainment, it still subsidises their football offering) or make any other financial contribution.

Even if you don’t contribute financially, if the club is spending money on wages to players not playing regularly, they’re pissing away money that could be spent on another player. It’s precisely this reason we’re stuck in the mess we’re in right now: too many players being overpaid for their ability.

Clive St Helmet

As it happens I think that a contract paying a lower (but still generous) basic wage with performance- and attandance-based incentives could work nicely for more of our players.

One thing often overlooked is the impact that not playing can have on players. Many have spoken out in the past about feeling like they’re nicking a living being paid vast sums whilst injured. They feel tremendous guilt. A wage structure based on appearances might alleviate some of those feelings, whilst offering an opportunity to earn even higher wages when fit and healthy.

I like Jack. He’s a good footballer, he loves the club and he’s exciting to watch. He knows the issues with his body and has to accept that, given his history with injuries, he’s a gamble. I’m certain that he has the maturity to recognise that he’s a vital member of the squad when fit and that an incentive based offer is the right offer for him.

RayParloursPerm

I think lower basic wages with more incentives would work nicely for us.

Can’t see many agents going for it though…

goongot

Well this seems smart enough ! Sign the thing wilshere .

Bendtner\'s+Ego

What a load of crap.

It’s not YOUR money, Wenger!
Pay the guy what he’s worth.

Zyrth

He is being paid what he’s worth. He’s got the talent but he’s injury prone too.

Alexit

Wilshere will sign..just wait..also, even Wenger is speaking about it to the media, it is not him to decide Jack’s value. Must be some department of valuation or something. You really think everything is ran by Wenger considering he is always on the training ground everyday?

Lula

Yeah lets go and play hard-ball with the one player willing to sign a contract. Nice.
I get the counter argument. Think its greatly outweighed by the outgoings ahead.

swissgooner

given his potential, recent performances and commitment to Arsenal this feels slightly humiliating.

Jay Salhi

If his commitment to Arsenal is contingent on a pay increase that really isn’t commitment. Where was his commitment last year when he requested to go out on loan after losing his spot in the England squad?

Two months of good performances do not cancel out 5 years of non-stop injuries. The offer is perfectly reasonable. If Jack is as committed as his cult-like followers claim, he will accept the offer.

nacho man

well said

gooner1981

If he does stay fit, like he probably feels he will, then the lucrative bonuses and built-in incentives are practically his. Wilshere’s case is different because of injury, but I think in general we need more performance-based incentive-laden contracts for players.

hahahaha

This just shows what a joke of a club we are and what a man Jack is. If one does not believe there’s something wrong with the manager and the board, this yet another reason to believe the blatant and disgraceful truth.

pedro

No it doesn’t. It says the club is willing to pay him more if he manages to play a good portion of the season, if he gets injured like he tends to then he is still paid handsomely but less than what he has been on. Perfectly reasonable positions.

A P

It just shows what a joke of a fan we have here.

Chippys chip

No our negotiators are the joke. Oh and the board and manager.

Jack WilXhaka

Sign da ting Jackie boy! Also there’s the small matter of surrendering the #10 to Özil – I support it if it makes Öz to sign. My ideal situation (a man can dream right?)

Özil – 10
Jack – 7
Mikhi – 11
Malcolm – 14

Best Coast Gunner

Give jack the #4 shirt when Per retires. Bigger honor then the #10 imo

Zyrth

I’d give Jacky boy the number 4. He deserves that, and while we’re at it, we could make him into our deep midfielder instead of xhaka. Partner him with n’Zonzi too.
I’d really love to see this happen

Auba lacazette mkhitaryan
Ozil
Wilshere zonzi
Kola kos mustafi bellerin

pedro

I have an absolute and irrational loathing of proposed future 11s in comments sections.

badaab

Nzonzi is a waste of time, and he’s already stated publicly he isn’t interested in joining us.
If we’re signing an actual defensive midfielder, which I don’t see us doing anyhow, Marcos llorente from real madrid is a better buy as he’s still in his early 20s.

Average Joe

Malcom is a no go… If anywhere, he’s off to Looserpool…

Lula

Jack’s the 10 for me.

Maul Person

So what position is Ozil…?

Clarkey

Unfortunately, it’s probably gonna be left wing-back at Old Trafford.

Chippys chip

Not a winger wenger

Dawn

IF he wants to be!

11 and 12 have always been my favourite numbers since 12 stopped being the subs number.

RayParloursPerm

who gives a fuck what number is on the back of the shirt? the important part is what’s on the front

JustDoneIt

Good old Arsenal, arguing over the pennies as the pounds walk out the door.

pedro

OT – There was an interesting Guardian Long Read on how Man City are being run and how the City Football Group are building up a global business plan with City as the centrepiece, it’s unethical as hell and is ruining football but they know exactly what they’re up to and are thinking decades ahead. Arsenal are outdated and have fucking Kroenke who has zero interest in football and thinks of financial year to financial year. Unfortunately Wenger’s time has gone and we’re not in the same league as City, and won’t be for some time unless things change drastically. It’s not just the money, but the money certainly makes a big difference.

badaab

Kroenke, like most american predatory billionaires, thinks in 3 month increments and earnings statements. These people are a cancer and their greed is destroying people’s lives.
In regards to arsenal, the sooner kroenke is gone the better. He’s yet to take me up on my offer of $1 for his stake in the club, but I consider it a fair offer because of what he already has in the bank.

Papyrus

The silly season needs to end quickly. I have never seen such a January. I hope Wenger and the new contract guys make something remarkable though. Otherwise, we just stick with our current crop of players and push for the Europa Trophy. Forget everything else. We only have one job to do now. And Wenger seems to be taking it down the drain with all this debacle.

As for the Wilshere situation, I think its been handled well. Arsenal needs to have a ruthless streak in its contract negotiations. Very soon, I suspect players like Cazorla (We miss him so much – on and off the pitch) will be getting the axe as well. I felt this was the mood the moment Chambo left.

In any case, its good to see change from whatever angle. I realize many would want to see Wenger lead by leaving 🙂 ; but change comes in bits at times. As long as there is method to the madness, am all for change. I dont care who leaves right now. Just make sure the right people come in FFS!

Jay Salhi

Is there a top 6 club in the PL that wants Wilshere enough to make a better offer? Some top clubs might want him as a squad player but I can’t see him as a clear starter at any other top 6 club. A club like Everton might offer more money along with guaranteed playing time but I don’t see such an offer coming from a top 6 club.

In any event, Arsenal’s approach is a sound one in light of Jack’s injury history. If he doesn’t like it, he’s free to “hit the road Jack”.

gooner

My biggest concern is how Arsene rates/uses him assuming he’s fit enough.

I never believed him nor will I ever believe him when he says he’s suited to play on the front 3. That includes the number 9 position if you think about it.
We’ve all seen what Jack can do in that central midfield and I believed and strongly believe Arsene’s dilema is having him and Ramsey fit at the same time.

People will say push Ramsey to the number 10 position but despite having the highest assists thus far, quick turns and releasing his teammates early aren’t his strengths. Nor is the weight on his final ball.

He’s very very useful as a box to box so is Jack in a different way but same position.

The dilema Arsene will have is how to manage those two in their preffered position. My money is on throwing Ramsey back to the right wing but if it’s not the case then I see him willing to lose Jack .

I remember Bloggs say a midfielder was high on the priority list last window but I struggled to see how Wenger could bring in competition for Ozil or Ramsey. Even Xhaka based on how relatively new he was to us.
And like the legendary “if we brought in Alonso he’d kill Denilson and Diaby” I believe he’s more scared of conflict combined with his affection for particular players.

My gut feeling is, he’s not really fussed if Jack stays or not.

Lanre

Am gonna get crucified for this but somebody has got to say it. Arsene has got an eternal boner for Ramsey. Performance don’t matter, Jack could bleed his heart out on the pitch, give it his all and Wenger would still pick Ramsey over him as long as the Mofo is fit. Every fucking time. We saw it with Rosicky, keeping him on bench despite team performance begging for his quick feet Just so he wouldn’t have to bench Ramsey. It’s gonna happen again with Wilshere who only had a chance at first team when Ramsey got crocked despite the latter’s dismal performance in the middle. Wilshere has been better in that position for us, no denying. But watch him get dropped for Ramsey. Sad.

caligunner

Club performance has been bad with either one? team performance hasn’t changed. Both are different types of players obviously and I would rather have Jack back there and Ramsey further up in the front 3 if in the 343 formation myself. I think Xhaka is the problem. We need DM that is more defensive minded next to Ramsey or Jack.

badaab

Xhaka’s issues are with his attention span and carelessness, not with his position. The guy is just entirely too casual about his game, and that needs to stop. Someone (I’m nominating Jens Lehmann) needs to give him a good rollicking in front of the rest of the team.

Lingards\' Milly Rock
Lingards\' Milly Rock

I understand the perspective, it’s arguable Ramseys’ cup final winners kept him in a job…and Arsene loves ‘loyalty’.

However, I worry when a footballers primary attribute is something physical and it is then hoped that trait will then mask technical deficiencies. Ramseys’ ‘engine’ is the same gift/curse that Theos’ pace was.

Who knows, with contract situations as they stand, I think one of them will eventually force the issue.

EZD

A (defensive) midfielder is still high on the priority list. And has been for some time! Someone who complements Ramsey/Jack.

I totally agree that Jack and Ramsey are best in the same position (8). Playing either on the wing is a short term fix. I find it sad we’ve never been able to get the best out of both at the same time, as they are two of my favourite players. Arsene has been able to partially dodge the issue because so often one or the other has been injured.

And you’re probably right that Arsene would prefer to base a team around Aaron rather than Jack – maybe in part just due to more recent injury record. Will be very sad if this ends in Jack moving on.

Zyrth

Jack perhaps, but Ramsey isn’t really great as a 8 for us. Same reason for Walcott. Both Ramsey and Theo are good players in their respective roles but with teams bunkering deep in their half, they’re crowded out and hardly have bucket loads of technique to navigate thru the defenders.

There’s a reason our midfield with Ramsey hasn’t been ticking for us. He slows down play too much and even misses the simplest of passes. Sure he gets a goal and assist every now and then but at the cost of our buildup. He takes up key positions on the pitch, where an Ozil might prove to provide better average returns. And he’s far too inconsistent in returns as well, misses too many shots. If anything I’d look to sell Ramsey and really build our midfield. He’s a liability defensively along with xhaka.

Let’s give wilshere a chance and a decent partner. Someone to win the ball in the middle of the park while wilshere dictates play, beats opponents and pings in some of his long passes, they’re quite good.

caligunner

I like both Ramsey and Jack.

Jack is a liability as much as Ramsey defensively. As for now since AW is the manager he needs to figure out what formation he really wants to play.

343 just move Ramsey in the front 3 where he belongs and bring in another DM and get rid of Xhaka. He is the square peg that is a bigger liability out of the 3.

4231 you either sell him or move him to the wing and move forward.

I guess I’m done with him being a DM lol He’s better off with his skills to be in a attacking position.

Jay Salhi

The claims that the offer is a pay cut rather than a similar base wage plus incentives hinge on reports about his current wage. Speculation about player wages is routinely all over the place. The Sun now claim Jack is currently on 110K per week whereas other reports estimate the wage at 80K or 90K per week. Journalists go with the highest estimate because the pay cut narrative creates a better headline.

Voldermort

Yet we offered diaby contract after contract and gave Santi another contract the day before surgery.
Utter madness, and gave theo 140 k a week.leave jack, move away from this crazy club before it drags you down like the rest of us.

B-O-T

Jack Wilshere is good solid squad quality but he’s not creative enough nor defensively sound enough to be a regular starter. The promise part has passed him by, we know what we get on a good day and we know what we get when things don’t go smoothly for him. He may surprise us by adding goals in his game some day but for now he is exactly the type of character we need coming into the side when first team players start dropping their confidence their form or like flies.

BenG

So, they offer him a shit contact when he can start talking to other clubs for a free transfer next year. This sounds like they want him to leave

granit(e) hard!

Ridiculous!….while this might make sound business sense to many, and I am not disputing that, given his injury record, but in an environment where we are struggling with fostering loyalty in our players, doing this to one of our few loyal players left will definitely send out the wrong message and I wont blame him one bit if he respectfully turns the offer down. His love for the club is undoubted, his talent is also undoubted, his injury record, though terrible, are not as though it was his fault….just plain bad luck. So given these dynamics, is this really the best Arsenal can do?…Surely, we are definitely not that poor that we can not afford to take a chance on one of the few talented loyal players we have left, if only to make a statement. for example, look at the cazorla situation, the accountants might be unhappy that we are carrying him but it makes me, as an arsenal fan personally as proud as a peacock that we are, given this guy’s ability, love and loyalty for the club.

now, I would probably not take this level of exception if jack were some players we bought ready developed and we are cutting our losses, but this is one of our very own and it should count for something. Again, I understand the business rationale but football is not just about balancing the books, other variables such as love, passion, compassion, loyalty etc. should also come into play……Just my humble personal opinion, no offence intended to the ‘great’ accountants out there!

John C

Any form of actual pay cut when factoring in wage inflation since he signed his last contract becomes effectively a massive one. Jacks agent will know that and I can’t see him signing any form of long term deal on those terms.

This is a very dangerous game Arsenal are playing from such a weak position.

COYG

Is it different to the way Chelsea work contracts? You are almost £2bn in debt because you over pay.

John C

It’s not overpaying if you can afford it

Clock-End-Mike

It’s not a pay cut unless he’s out of the team, and I don’t see that happening unless he’s injured again. The incentives attached to this new proposal, as I understand it, would give him parity or better with his current contract.
Make sense to me, and probably should to Jack as well. I hope so, anyway.

John C

Anything less than a 30-50% increase on his wages will be an effective pay cut when wage inflation is taken into consideration.

I’m not saying i agree with it but his agent, who’s employed to act in Jack’s best interests surely will not advise signing anything that damages his long term earnings however sensible it sounds.

I can’t see Wilshere agreeing to these terms on a long term contract, perhaps a 1 year extension but not a 4-5 year one.

caligunner

Thats the part I don’t like.

If he reaches the incentives he will parity or “better” then his current deal

Why would he want to reach incentives and reach parity or slightly better then his current deal?

If you give Coq 100K, if that is true then this offer would be insane. If you think about it. You give Coq 100K when you know he isn’t automatic X1?

ronaldo

WHAT, that’s shocking news a pay cut shame on you arsenal, he should be one of our top earners at the club, if that’s the way they are going to treat you jack then ( I hate to say this ) but I would put in a transfer, and good luck to you , wherever you go

Pedro

Of the current crop of players we’ve got, Jack is by a huge margin miles apart with the rest in being proud of stepping on the pitch for Arsenal. And we all know a fit enough Wilshere is a lethal weapon in midfield. Give him a lifetime contract while you’re at it. And don’t let money be the reason we lose such a talent.

Joe

I understand the logic of offering him a contract based on incentives, considering his injury record, but this does seem rather risky. Hope the penny pinching doesn’t come back to haunt us, and we don’t end up seeing him in sky blue next year.

Rogerbij

I like this contract. He has massively benefited financially during injury on his present contract, now repay the favour and you’ll get paid handsomely if you stay fit!

QMantis

Sounds fair, with his injury record clear for all to see any club interested in him would probably offer similar terms. One things for sure he’s not gonna go hungry anytime soon.

MartyParty

“Will his loyalty to Arsenal and love of the club make the difference?”

Why should it, when we offer him an awful deal like that?

I’m so embarrassed by this club. such a let down every time anything leaks. we are a Disaster

Uba

Cant help but feel Wenger and the board are taking Jack’s love for the club for granted. I can see a situation where he runs down his contract and leave on a Bosman. He is good enough to play for any of the current top 4 clubs.
On a related note, how about paying our inept manager in proportion to his performances. That will only seem fair.

Voldermort

Bang on uba. 9 million a year or so to take absolutely nowhere. We have regressed and yet we play hard ball with possibly our most creative player. Dangerous from arsenal

Perry

Obviously we don’t know the specifics of the deal offered, but I for one will be ashamed of the club if it’s a shit deal. Crying out for leaders and people who love the club/play for the shirt to guide us through this dog-shit time we’re in and he is the main man for that job. Please stay jack!

allezkev

Interesting situation, which obviously pleases all the Jack haters.
Yet Ozil gets a free ride from any criticism despite refusing several offers whilst sedately heading towards a Bosman this summer.
I can see Liverpool being interested if Jack doesn’t sign.

Rogerbij

Not a Jack hater at all, just the situations are quite different. One is a world class star who is usually fit, the other a talented and promising player who is usually not fit.

And Ozil never gets a free ride on these boards.

Ozenal

So basically they are leveraging his love for the club. If he went elsewhere he would triple his wages.

Have the club considered how much in wages it would be to bring someone in of equivalent quality?

I can see why Wenger wanted him to get more games under his belt and build him up slowly so he doesnt break down again, bringing him up to a boil just as contract time comes along. So that Jack has the best position to negotiate with the club. Wenger knows the board well now and is doing what he can to safeguard the clubs future.

Sadly we wont know if this is a derisory offer or not. But if he leaves then it will definitely come out how much it was.

masterofthegoonaverse
masterofthegoonaverse

A pay cut? In this day and age? This lot cease to amaze me. I know his record. Well.

Thierry Bergkamp

That’s not a bad idea from the club but very risky.

RayParloursPerm

So many complaints on here but I’d love this to be the start of something. We can’t compete with the wages that the Manchester clubs or Chelsea offer, but that means we can separate the players who want to play for the Arsenal out from those who want to earn a lot of money.

No one’s bigger than the club, we all believe that, that’s why so many of us are happy to fuck Sanchez off, because he seemingly thinks otherwise.

Dirk Diggler

I bet the board did a collective snigger when they wrote up Jack’s new contract.
~ £1 million bonus if you don’t get injured again ~
“HAHA YEAH RIGHT!” *high fives*

Mrs Maitland-Niles

I would be surprised if the incentives weren’t pretty high if he stays fit. I’m sure if he can prove his longterm fitness he will be offered a new deal anyway.

Fatgooner

This deal makes good sense when you consider Jack’s awful injury record. However, I suspect that some club may well be prepared to offer him a better deal; one which does not take injuries into account. And if I was Jack I’d be inclined to have the security of a guaranteed payday.

How come nobody’s talking about Ozil? The entire situation there is rather strange. Unlike Sanchez, nobody seems to be interested in our Germany midfielder, and our lazy friend still appears to be reluctant to sign a new contract. So is he going to just walk away this summer for nothing?

Mdr

Certainly doesn’t look good for Arsenal to offer him a lower salary, but I do think it is a fair offer with incentives to earn more based on playing matches given his injury history and how much we paid him when he was not able to play for months at a time. Would love to see him stay, but right now you can’t even guarantee him he would be a starting midfielder with the players we have and surely we will bring in some more midfielders at some point.

Heavenly Chapecoense

Can’t guarantee Wilshere a starting place because or Xhaka ?

Runzac

this is a good way to do business and will attract top players for sure

Armourist

I’m not surprised JW is where he is today post injuries, really hope his new body management, means he stays fit, he will make such an impact if he stays fit, that the contract he can renegotiate when he is say 28 and probably captain would be huge, I think he is that good.

I also think it’s good prudent management from the club that had RVP, Diaby (unfulfilled genius), Walcott, Rosicky, JW (first incarnation) and latterly Carzola on its books.

It’s best for all parties, prove yourself and we’ll cough up, though I feel the new JW is unlikely to not look after himself and we probably should have been harsher in his early years, but hindsight and all that, think he is sturdier now seemingly having taken a little page out of that little boys book.

I think JW in midfield is correct, I am curious to see AMN in there too, he has such a Rolls Royce vibe about him, elegant and unruffled, but maybe thats cause he knows he is playing out of position, he is less pressured. He is on some fuck it vibe, I’ll give it a go and see what happens, if i fuck up, mans not a left back, what!!

However, we cannot carry on with Xhaka, at least not in this guise, at 25, he should not be told to track runners, he should already know he hasn’t got the pace to chase back so he needs to position himself better, but i wouldn’t put it past Wenger asking him to play higher and out of his comfort zone for better attacking impetus (think Coq and Song). Even allowing for that there are some bog standard basics he seems deficient on, which are correctable but haven’t been so far, why?

My main issue though with him, is his mobility or lack off which in itself is not detrimental, Pirlo for instance or Cesc weren’t particularly mobile but cor blimey could they pass, and this is the group Xhaka purports to be part of. Cesc’s passes had killer written all over it, whilst I feel Xhakas are more Hollywood than deadly, basically the tactical payout of psuedo control isn’t balancing the immobility for me with Xhaka whilst it did with Cesc or was allied with the defensive nous of Arteta.

To me we can’t build a midfield around an immobile midfielder who doesn’t offer that deadly pass offensively especially in the seemingly outdated Wenger ball system or protect the defence steadfastly, the dude is a good player, but he isn’t caviar, he is too middle ground to anchor us.

The midfield is a three man gig, we have one in JW in my opinion, we can try AMN for half a season with Ramsey and or Xhaka, to see if there is a combo that works, but this is a stop gap. If you list the midfields of the current top six ours is not the amongst the strongest in comparison. We need to fix this.

We are 6th. We’ll probably finish 6th. New broom please.

Which is why I’m slightly excited about the way we are moving in the recent windows, cleaning out Gibbs, Walcott and Coquelin seems like good moves and i hope thats a result of long time thinking and not just we can now have cheaper bodies to help us reach squad quota rules in Willock, AMN, EN and the winger dude.These guys were stalwarts of the Wenger era but its time to move on and create space for better right… I mean this is for the better right?

One more thing, who are we, footballistically speaking, I feel we don’t have an identity on the pitch, watching the Pool City game, it struck me just how the styles of the two teams contrasted against each other, and then I thought back to the meh we put up, we don’t counter attack well, we don’t possess the ball well, we don’t run the ball forward well, we don’t over power teams, we dont play space, we are offensive with baby teeth, we don’t out tactic teams, we don’t kill teams with movement… like who are we?

What about Leonardo Jardim?

Apologies for the long post, just had a lot to get of my chest.

Zyrth

Fully agree with everything except the outdated wengerball part. The current play isn’t the true blue good old wengerball. Watching since ‘98, there’s a huge notable difference.

Sure we still try to play quick triangles but back then it was a blazing speed counter attack (built from a rock solid base with 2 strong and dominating DMs). Right now, we still play the passing game but it’s slow and laborious and too much side to side pointless faffing.

Our midfield is prolly the main cause of that (btw I do not consider Ozil to be in midfield, he’s part of the forward) and until Wenger improves it, and finally calls it quit with his Ramsey project, we will always fail to attack with pace and precision. And we’ll always fail to cover our defense. This is not only aimed at Ramsey but our entire midfield as well, which is me aiming primarily at xhaka and elneny (but he’s ok as a sub). I do hope we can get n’zonzi with AMN as backup to partner wilshere (and hopefully get another DLP or pure old school CM to compete with wilshere) in midfield. Our entire gameplay is in the toilet because we have the worst midfield in the top 6.

caligunner

I’ve been one to give him a break up till the stadium debt years. Now over the past 5 seasons its obvious that he shouldn’t be in charge of transfers other then telling a DoF what he needs and letting someone like Sven do his magic. It should have been most obvious after only getting Cech and not spending all if not most of the transfer money to get more talent.

If he is in charge of contracts then that should have been taken away from him years ago too. All this slow negotiations is killing the club. Why can’t he see it and want to concentrate on whats going on in training and matches?

Possession

And here is a late result.
Bosman 3 Arsenal 0

Santori

Midfield is very bare at the moment as far as experience + capability is concern.

We are beholden to start Granit. For all his flaws, he also brings something to the team with his long range passing but this should never have been allowed to be the case. At very least as an alternative, we should also have (kept) a ro robust defensive type who can tackle and hold the ball

In the link role we have Jack who has been excellent being combative, protecting and using the ball from deep. he is one of the few more experienced heads who can turn with the ball and engage up the line on the dribble.

Aside from him, I think Iwobi (not AMN) should be considered for a similar berth.

He has the requisite strength and dribbling ability but also from a deeper position he sees passes very well.

I suppose the other player who can function in the role is Ramsey who has played there from time to time in a discipline fashion before his better senses overtake him and he embarks on an adventure further forward attacking the box disengaging form the rest of the midfield.

The back up to Jack and Granit is concerning. Having sold Coq, we are left with the mediocre Elneny as a jack of all trades (master of none)

Original Paul

Penny pinching from Arsenal. Sad times.

Bobby\'s Ewing

The club has invested heavily in Jack without much return. He is a special player but we have payed him a lot of money to watch games from the stands. The contract is good business and makes total sense given his history of injuries. If Jack cares about the club he will want to repay some of that investment. Sign the contract Jack!

Chrispy

Will be just typical we manage to fuck this up to. Although it makes some sense , I can see this going tits up.

Conchetumadre

Jack, just wait. ManU will offer you more money and you can play with Alexis and Özil together.
Money talks BS walks.

GunnerYY

Wilshere is the type of player that will have long injury right after he sign a new deal, ao i agree with this term, just give him one year contract extension to make him fit and free-injury.