Dortmund will sell Aubameyang, but put the ball firmly in Arsenal’s court

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Borussia Dortmund have said that the transfer of Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang to Arsenal is still possible, but that unless Arsenal meet their demands, they’ll keep the player until the summer and leave the Gunners empty handed this month.

The club did have a delegation in Germany but they have since returned to London after attempts to broker a deal with the Bundesliga outfit failed.

In a statement released today, Dortmund Sporting Director Michael Zorc said, “We are prepared to implement a transfer under certain parameters – but only if these parameters are fully met.

“Arsenal has started several attempts so far, we have rejected all so far.

“Either our demands are fulfilled, then there can be a transfer, or else they will not be fulfilled and Auba will play in Dortmund until the summer.

“This has been discussed and accepted by the Aubameyang family.”

At the time of writing, the 28 year old is playing for Borussia Dortmund in the Bundesliga against Freiburg, so it’s clear they’re going to use him.

This is not a bluff on their part, it’s about getting what they want for their leading scorer, and now it’s up to Arsenal to decide if they want to do what it takes to get this deal done.

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Mr November

If Arsenal don’t get this transfer over the line then it’s indefensible.

BidOnLard

Why not defensible? Ding dong, Net Spend, Ding dong.

Mein Bergkampf

Don’t worry guys, I’ve set up a crowd funding site to get this one over the line. Please give generously!

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/bring-aubameyang-to-arsenal

Original Paul

Excellent!

Chippys chip

Brilliant. Deserves infinate thumbs up.

kaius

“the funds are not always available, even if they appear in our bank account”

fuckin’ excellent Mein Bergkampf

Double98

Yes. The money they are looking for is not outrageous in this market.

ronaldo

ha, ha, tell that to wenger

Squiggle

Wenger’s clearly not the problem. People thinking things will change with a new manager are fooling themselves.

Groverider

Squiggle is correct, sorry if it doesn’t fit with the wenger hating agenda.
Read the recent comment by Arshavins’ agent I think where he says that Arsenal and specifically Gazidis were lowballing zenit and the window was closer and closer to getting SLAMMED shut. The agent recalls that Wenger was saying just pay the fee I need this guy but gazidis wouldn’t. The agent in the end coughed up the 1.5 or whatever it was just so infuriated and frustrated was he at our relentless fainting, he then added that sum to the bill to make it up to £15M which was billed to Arsenal! Gazidis was furious and phones up to complain but the deal had (just) got done so in the end Gazidis had to swallow it. (The agents extra 1.5M that is……not Stans’ limp merkin shrouded wang)

AusDrexler

Bingo. As elluded to by Blogs this is Gazidis running this one.
But dont let truth get in way of people who just blame everything at Arsenal on Wenger.

ronaldo

wenger clearly IS THE PROBLEM and the sooner he goes the better

A P

Ronaldo is the problem and cause of everything bad.

RedSky

Fact!

Hermitian

“The money they are looking for is not outrageous in this market.”

We can’t be sure that it’s only about the money. Their “demands” could involve one of our players, as well as money.

santori

Why do we have to get this over the line or its indefensible?

We already have 3 strikers.

We need creative wide players.

IF this doesn’t work out because its too expensive there are better options for us IMO.

Mahrez is only 50m, he scores and assists probably a better baance we need at the moment.

We can always deal with the succession to GIroud in the summer.

Right now it will be useful to have his capability instead of replicate what Lacazette gives (or disrupt the progression of Lacazette by limiting his time further/playing him out wide)

santori

I think many people have it the wrong way round.

The money is not ridiculous but it is Dortmund that should be desperate to get the deal done not Arsenal.

Granted we need to get some deals done, we have options at the price they are quoting.

Dortmund on the other hand are facing an issue holding on to a player disaffected, underwhelming and affecting their dressing room spirit.

We can always spend the money on other targets like Mahrez.

Ball is actually in Dortmund’s court.

Mayor McCheese

The net expenditure trophy is ours once again!

Indian Gooner

Time to stop penny pinching and mean business for once!

215Arse

Not happening. Surprise surprise

Naitimreh

Gazides met with Zorc yesterday and offered 58 million – 12 big ones short of their valuation. Turns out Zorc has agreed on the condition that Gazides immediately sacks the man sitting on his left (Mislintat). Now it’s all hinging on Mislintat’s sack – apparently they can’t stand the sight of him there in Dortmund.

cultured determination
cultured determination

looking at the numbers this season i believe it’s kronke who doesnt want to take out the $. the bid we put in for lemar on transfer dateline day 31 Aug was the exact amount of profit + the amount we’d have sold Alexis to Mancs for. i believe this time selling Theo and Coq means we’ve put in exactly the remaining $ from August + the amount from Jan, and it’s not enough, and we cant do anything bout it.

jon

You are probably right, cd. But realistically, the failure to resign Sanchez and Özil in 2016/2017, leaves a bill of 150-200 millions in order to replace them with corresponding quality and avoid further slide down the rankings. This money is not possible to scrape together by selling some of our second and third class players.

I think Wenger is at least partly to blame. Sanchez simply lost confidence in him. Özil would probably be looking for the exit too, if his style wasn’t so difficult to accommodate in conventional tactics.

db10s

So basically we are stuck to the same business model as the one we had to use while paying off the emirates stadium. Wonderful…

H2k

I hope that they are negotiating hard because they have the world class defensive midfielder or centre back that we have been calling for also lined up, and need to split their funds to get 2 players.
But then I remember it is Arsenal, and I know its just the board being stubborn.

Heavenly Chapecoense

I wouldn’t blame recruitment for the defence. I blame the system played by Wenger that makes us vulnerable. On paper, we have one French and one German internationals in the middle. In addition, we have three or four promising young defenders in Chambers, Holding, Bielik and now Mavropanos.

santori

Midfield.

It cannot control the game sufficiently or balance attack from defense and we then put a vulnerable defense under undue pressure.

Also none of the midfielders Jack, Elneny or Granit, ever have their head on a swivel and track runners into our box. Ditto AMN and Bellerin.

Its as much systemic issue which needs to be /can be resolved to some extent internally.

I suspect the Mhkitaryan addition has an eye casted on deeper role much like Arteta and Santi whom Wenger re-roled with good success before.

Experience counts. BUT its an IF of course that the player will adapt to the role. He’ll be played right of mid quartet first and then assessed most likely.

Rectum+Spectrum

Like our actual defense.

MICHAEL OSBORN

And we will get the usual “we were never really close to signing him” comments too!

Anonymarse

It’s all BS really isn’t it … ‘close’, ‘not close’ …

mikeoz

I foresee pitchforks and burning torches outside the stadium at midnight on Wednesday!!

SB Still

Oh crap!

Clearly we need to strengthen the squad. Either Wenger is forced to say it or really believes that we have a strong squad it doesn’t matter because quite clearly our league position last year and where we are this season, very clearly we are falling behind.

Santi\'s Thigh Grab

No PEA, no Ozil. Arsenal will have demonstrated their ambition which is a 6th place team more intent on making money than winning trophies. How far we have fallen and we haven’t hit the bottom. Kroenke will only sell when we no longer make money. Think Leeds, that’s how far we have to drop before he will sell. Miserable fucking cunt.

Goonsquad

The way we do business is just bloody embarrassing. We’re supposed to be one of the biggest clubs in the world and our contract negotiators carry on like they’re buying stock for Poundland. When a properly big club comes for a player they put down a realistic offer plus a “we want to get this done without any destabilising faffing around” payment and the deal gets done. But we send in Ivan who think ks the best way is to start negotiations by insulting them with an offer that’s just pathetic. It might occasionally save a few quid, but usually it means we miss out on the players we really need and fail to compete at the top level. Seriously I reckon I could make a better job of it, and for considerably less money. Ivan can either earn his corn or fuck off somewhere else.

Akshay

I really hope this deal can be wrapped up as soon as possible. We are going to need all the help we can in scoring goals and finishing in the top four.

On the plus, it doesn’t look like Giroud leaving is being considered so that’s good!

Mayor McCheese

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Danny Welbeck is an Arsenal player. But there was talk of Giroud leaving? Ridiculo.

Prolifik

Same here mate

Teryima Adi

Nobody wants Welbeck, Bro.

Mayor McCheese

That’s true. And yet he gets game time with us. Ugh.

ramgooner

Am I the only one who thinks Aubameyang is a done deal? Just that I fear we’ll sell Giroud to Chelsea for 40 million to balance the books.

Easy tiger

Yes you are.

ramgooner

The news i’m getting is that Auba is done. It was done before Bournemouth. Just don’t know what’s going to happen with Giroud. Personally i want him to stay for rest of the season. Who knows his value might shoot up after the WC. It will be bad to sell him now both on the sporting front as well as with the business side of things.
If Mkhi plays CM i.e in Santi’s role i can still see Giroud getting game time.

I can see Ramsey and Mkhi making way for players who will go to the WC. WC players should be starting games until international friendlies in March.

Xhaka, El Neny, Ozil are sure to go to the WC with their countries because their teams need them even if they aren’t getting enough game time with is. Southgate will look like an idiot if he ignores Wilshere after Jack’s recent displays.

Auba will not go to WC.
That leaves us with only Laca and Giroud. I think Giroud will go to the WC because of the qualities he brings to the France squad.

I think only Laca needs game time to make it to the WC because France have plenty of players who are similar to Laca but with enough game time with us he will make it to the WC.

So, i will not buy the WC argument to let players go anymore. If Giroud leaves it’ll be purely because we wanted to balance the books.

midgunner

What the fuck have our ‘negotiating team’ been doing for the past week?

Wouldn’t surprise me if another team just comes in and pays what he’s worth.

Clins

Arsenals inability to do simple things never ceased to amaze me. We are so bsd at many things that everything screams change . Only after a big change behind the scenes ….starting wiyh the manager will we have any chance at getting back at the level we used to be .

Stonebenge

This is, to be fair, nothing to do with wenger. Hes not on the negotiating team.

Teryima Adi

Wenger schooled them on the art of money pinching. Lol

Flashman71

Do you really believe that despite not being in the actual delegation sent to germany that wenger has no say or did not inform ivan et al of what he believes to be an acceptable transfer fee for aubameyang, bloody hell get real he is as much a part as any arsenal staff involved!

Gutbukket Deffrolla

I think what people are beginning to say is on the right track.

Wenger doesn’t control the money. He tells the Club who he wants. Kroenke decides how much he can afford. If the deal is more than Kroenke wants to spend then it doesn’t get done. Kroenke sees the size of our squad and is happy if we fail to get the deal across the line because we obviously have plenty of players.

Kroenke probably agreed to the hiring of a tough new negotiating team with the express intention of having them do their best to talk deals down to what he is willing to pay AND NO MORE.

Every time we lowball on a deal like this we piss off the player we want to buy. Every other top player sees what we have done and they will be very wary of dealing with us in the future. They also see that we are always limited to one or two top players at best and so will never be able to hit a level of quality that would give them a real chance at winning a top trophy.

By Kroenke believing players are exactly like cans of tomato soup he is destroying the chance to ever be a truly great club, and he cares nothing for Wenger’s reputation because he’s just another employee, and it’s the employee’s job to take the shit thrown at the Club.

The Limp Bar

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.. sure, we have been shite at getting transfers closed out in recent years, but we have a new team doing this stuff now. It’s not realistic to expect us to go in and pay the asking price with no negotiation whatsoever, otherwise we’ll get taken for a ride every time – we still need to get the best deal we can. We can’t do what Chelsea, Man City and Man U do and just pay massive amounts without any repercussions.. Let’s wait for the outcome and give these guys a chance before we pass judgement.

If it doesn’t happen though I agree – serious egg on our faces, and there will be a big backlash – and rightly – no doubt.

Frustrated gooner

YES , but surely that will also lead to clubs not wanting to do business with us because we mess them about

Andy Mack

Most big business is about negotiating. No one pays asking price for a new jumbo jet or cruise liner because there isn’t really a set price (just a target sales price), plus the payment scheme (how much is paid when) is an important part of the deal along with other terms.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

There are more jumbo jets for sale around the world than there are top footballers. It’s not shopping in a supermarket. It’s an auction and top dollar gets the item. Kroenke thinks he can shop for bargains in Sotheby’s.

Whynot

Its not an auction if no one else is bidding

Andy Mack

GD, you may well be correct, but without knowing what actual price AND terms BvB want, this is all guesswork.
Even if someone else is interested and will pay the full price on a payment schedule of 20% per year, someone else paying 5% less but 50% on completions and 2 further annual instalments of 25% each would be a better option for BvB.
Maybe one day we’ll find out what they’re picking over, but there’s far too many variations to know anything for certain at the moment.

Mpls

Unfortunately we don’t have the key piece of our negotiations team from Barca yet, so we’re still stuck with Ivan and Wenger muddling through for this window. That’s why the story hasn’t changed yet. Hopefully our new negotiator will be afforded the space to correct some of the dilly-dallying.

Gunnerjoe

How can you blame Wenger when he is not involved with this tranfer this is all on Ivan

Teryima Adi

The hand of Esau but the voice of Jacob(Wenger)

Flashman71

Are you insane? Our manager for the last 21yrs who has a say in every aspect of the running of football club. You actually believe he has no input in this. Get real.

Georgeycharles

I will be as frustrated and disappointed as anyone if this falls through. But it surprises me that no one is attributing any criticism at Dortmund. I would certainly never dream of going straight in with the asking price for a house, or a car etc. and nor should the seller expect you to. By all accounts, Arsenal have moved a number of times on their original offer and are pretty close to Dortmund’s asking price. But Dortmund are standing there, arms folded, saying “nope, not selling” every time and feeding the press and generally acting like dicks. They seem prepared to cut off their corporate nose, rather than negotiate professionally and perhaps shift a few million themselves. But still, the narrative being trotted out, is that the empass is all down to Arsenal, rather than Dortmund acting like petulant twats.

Danger Mouse

They own the player. They set the price. They’re under no obligation to sell. So pay the fucking price or fuck off.

Georgeycharles

Yep, well if that’s their approach, I think that would confirm my point.

Anonymarse

to be fair in the current market their price seems quite reasonable

Andy Mack

Anonymarse, If the current market price ‘rumour’ is true, yes. But it’s a rumour so we don’t know if that’s correct or not.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

One item for sale. One seller. Many buyers. It’s a seller’s market.

Georgeycharles

Again, rather supports my point; this isn’t a 1st grade economics class. A bit ironic, given the stick Wenger gets for his M.Econ…

Punter

No messing around with Dortmund. Remember, they let Lewandowski go for free.

Rectum+Spectrum

They did with Lewandowski what wenger claimed he would do with Sanchez. Mourinho and United actually saved our bacon with the swap deal really when you think about it.

Teryima Adi

BVB has got balls while we obviously do not.

Whynot

Because letting lewandovski go to bayern for nothing was better than getting 40 million for him?

Teryima Adi

They were having a great time in five star hotels at our expense, Bro.

Easy tiger

Striptease would be my guess.

Bananas

Only a few days left in the window. I sadly dont see this one happening. Id love to be proved wrong.

David C

I hope you’re wrong! I mean, how much could they be asking for? 70 million? Just pay the bloody money and move on. Arsenal have made a profit for at least the last 2 transfer windows, right?

Bananas

I hope i am wrong as well. However, this is the arsenal we are talking about.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

No, this is the Kroenke purse we are talking about.

Michael Bolton Wanderers
Michael Bolton Wanderers

Probably made profit in 18 of the last
20 transfer windows. Feels like that’s the case at least

Andy Mack

We had to try to make a profit in half those years to cover stadium costs.
have a look at this for a clearer idea of our outlay http://www.transferleague.co.uk/arsenal/english-football-teams/arsenal-transfers

Gutbukket Deffrolla

Now we have to make a profit to keep our owner in 3 million quid’s worth of beer each year.

Andy Mack

£3m per year in a business like this one is an easy ‘do’.
Yanited have been servicing the Glaziers debt which is far more per year (which doesn’t make either one correct!).

Yagaru

I’m still convinced the whole Aubameyang story was just a smoke screen to appease fans and soften the blow of $anchez joining manure. We would only have signed him if Dortmund had been prepared to take a low offer and they aren’t and why should they? Still hope I’m wrong…

Mayor McCheese

So, what you’re saying is that Arsenal’s secret plan all along was to appease the fans by shitting the bed with the transfer of a player that we all got super excited about?

What a great plan!

Paulo Cuntchops

I can think quite a few examples of players we “tried” to bring in. Half hearted, low bids that we’re never going to be accepted. Higuain, Lamar, Suarez etc. Why would it be surprising for that to happen again with Aubameyang?

Andy Mack

We didn’t put in a ‘low bid’ for Suarez.
We put in a bid of £1 more than the required price.
Suarez could have made the deal work but clearly didn’t want to do it.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

When Suarez was smiling at us he was also winking at Barcelona. He played us.

Flashman71

I agree, as ridiculous as it sounds I believe that our board in cohorts with wenger would actually stoop that low ( a mock transfer delegation, they were probably really there watching dortmund u17s to see uf we can pick up our normal cheap one for the future signings – you know one of the ones who never actually ever really play for us and end up at a crappy mid table dutch or spanish side on loan) pull the wool over our (the supporters) eyes. Let’s face it wenger and the board have been spewing absolute bullshit to us since 2012.

PFo

That’s not what ‘cohorts’ means

Gutbukket Deffrolla

Flashman71 is in cahoots with The League For Increasing The Frequency Of Wrong Word Use.

Goonerink

Cahoots I think he meant

thw14

Clear that the penny-pinching hasn’t been a Wenger illness all this time.

Maybe we move Gazidis on in the summer and see whether Wenger and Sanllehi can repeat Wenger and Dein.

After all, Gazidis has been the only consistent specialist in failure in the past decade.

Jozzer

#Gazidis out

absolut

Can we be sure Wenger isn’t involved? It so feels like the handbrake thing all over again.

Glory hunter

Either way it doesn’t look good on Ivan, he doesn’t need Arsene’s permission to pay the extra £5M – £10M. FFS

Merteslacker

He doesn’t. In fact, he could probably just give up part of his big fat bonus to get this one over the line

Gutbukket Deffrolla

Would you give up some of your wages to get a weekly report over the line on time?

Anthony

Can’t imagine Wenger would say no to having Aubameyang at the club.

This to me is the sheer ineptitude of Gazidis andthe negotiating team.

If it’s a case of 5-10m just bloody pay it. Can only improve the team, and help us finish as high as possible.

That in itself will more than pay the extra needed.

GraeB

Agree – the difference is less than the money we’ve saved on Sanchez wage bill for a year. Add in Theo and Coq salary saving too and we should have no worries.

Perhaps all transfers should be done on ebay.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

So Aubameyang wants to play for us for nothing?

Hermitian

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Gunnerboreus

If i had to get rid of just one it would be then soulless and shameless Gazidis – but he won’t go. Both would be best of all

Gutbukket Deffrolla

You’d still have Kroenke, you silly prat. Nothing would improve.

Billy Bob

Yeah kroenke definitely needs to be got shot of and I think there are a number of American sports clubs that would agree!!! I suspect the £3million Stan ponse off us is spent on body guards to protect his miserable self!!!

Gutbukket Deffrolla

Why do you think Kroenke hired Gazidis? Gazidis is doing exactly what Kroenke wants. Why on earth would he want to fire him?

Frank

Just pay them the money and go and get a proper cdm whilst you’re at it. As much hope as I have for mikhitaryan if we weren’t to bring in any more 1st team players this window will have been a massive failure. We obviously need strengthening and to have lost Sanchez Walcott and coquelain and only gained miki would definitely be the opposite of that.

Original Paul

…and Ox don’t forget.

Mpls

Point taken, but that was summer and we brought in Lacazette.

Original Paul

Blimey it seems like three weeks ago!

Rectum+Spectrum

Right after the liverpool game at the start of the season…remember?

Original Paul

Fair one, but Lacazette in for Ox?? Hardly a replacement?

Drew

And kolansinac

Original Paul

” Sanitation” “and the roads are safe to walk at night”.. 🙂

Giddygun

And Mavropanos this month, who fits the bill of a young player who could have a profitable sell-on value

ArsensArmy

Miki is not the player we needed. Another central midfielder who is short on confidence as well. Brilliant.

Anthony

Let him pull on the shirt first please. FFS

Teryima Adi

Our club is not serious.

Original Paul

After making this attempt so public, Arsenal will be a laughing stock if we don’t get him.

Toure+motors

Unfortunately I think we’ll continue to be a laughing stock

Anonymarse

Yep they backed themselves into a corner with this one

Nick

Its almost like Dortmund are benefiting from taking firm positions on what they are going to do with players in a transfer window or a season and sticking to them. I can only imagine Ivan trying to explain to them how that is amateur hour operating.

Naitimreh

Could someone explain to our moostarchyohed, syrup bedecked owner that a transfer window is not just an opportunity to transfer more funds into the accounts of Kronic Sports Enterprises.

Andy Mack

It’s funny that transfer to KSA is never mentioned in the published company accounts. But luckily you know the truth…

Ebo

Exactly. Couldn’t be more impressed with Dortmund’s handling of their situation, such a contrast from how we’ve handled literally every single similar situation we had, particularly the Fabregas saga that left me scarred for life.

midgunner

It’s not like they’re even demanding an exorbitant fee. From the numbers being reported, he sounds like a bargain if anything. He’s a world class striker in an insane market.

We just seem to continually fuck these things up, from Higuain to Suarez, Lemar and now this guy.

Clins

Exaxtly . It seems they are asking somewhere around 60-70 million for a striker who was top scorer in bundesliga , the same league with lewadowsky. His Age aside this is a bargain . I mean are we the same club who bid 90 million and a world record fee for relatively young mbappe and lemar??. This guy is in the peak of his career . If we have any kind of ambition we ought our that money in the table and get this guy

Mpls

The age is exactly the difference from Arsenal’s point of view. Mbappe and Lamar are younger and therefore would have return value from sales – and yes, potentially profit – for a club that tends to think that way. 70 m for Auba is 70 m gone. In 3 years his return value will be minimal by comparison. Financially it’s a big big difference for sustaining funds, something the club has been crowing for quite a long time now.

I think they should do it though and look at it as short term fix, 18 mos – 2 years and try to get a little value back and this summer spring on a young true talent to blood in. Meanwhile keep Laca happy and developing as he has got a few years and his best form ahead of him as well.

PFo

60-70m for a top striker is what 30-40m used to be, only a few years ago. Even if he’s only good for us for 1.5 to 3 years, having a 25+ goal striker (potentially two, if Lacazette steps up) with tons of pace (something we’re lacking a bit right now in our forward line) could be huge, and would definitely be worth the money.

jon

Higuain was always my big regret. He would have been sensational at Arsenal.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

….until we pissed him off. Which we managed to do during our “bargaining”.

Aubemayang would be sensational for us next season and wants to be, but if we continue to penny (8 million quid) pinch for 3 more days we’ll lose him forever.

Godfrey Twatsloch

Seems we do this a lot. Lemar and Griezmann being two other examples.

SharpasFc

I don’t think Lemar wanted to come and who can really blame him.

Dewey

I swear to everything Arsenal stress me out so much when it comes to transfers. I never once got my hopes up about us getting Aubameyamg yet I’m still disappointed despite knowing exactly how this would go down. Just Get the job done FFS!!!

Original Paul

So we have four squad players out (Coq Walcott Alexis Ox) and one first team candidate in.
How can they do this to us??
It’s madness!

Alex

Honestly Aubameyang is a real striker, but also a real diva with an ego even bigger than Sanchez… Personally, i don’t wish another guy to disturb the cabin.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

Stop disturbing our cabin.

Chrispy

For once, Wenger isn’t to blame here. No leaked stories about him changing his mind multiple times please. Gazidis this is solely on your head. But hey, at least will have even more money on the balance sheet after another transfer surplus .

me 2

So much for the “team” who were meant to make transfers more effective.
Nothing has changed at all.
Four more days but I get the feeling that four months is not enough for these people to earn their money and do their job.
Still, on the positive side if they fail to sign him it will be another reason to make this the last season in charge for that despot dictator…

The Doff

What has Trump to do with this?

me 2

Trump is a real dictator to put his own people that he represents first. Its a pity that our gutless government couldn’t do the same..
Arsene Wenger puts teams like Man Utd first – by giving them our best players…
Can never get it right can he?

Lack of Perspective

Deyturkurjubs!!!!

Gutbukket Deffrolla

Iwudn’tdoashitjoblikethat!!!!!

jon

Sometimes it boils down to a clean cut bidding war. Poker faces under hat shades. This deal will probably go through. Arsenal is under heavier pressure than Dortmund and he will be in London on deadline day.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

Arsenal may be under pressure from Kroenke not to exceed what he has budgeted. If so Wenger sees another target disappear forever and will still take the blame for it.

Always Arsenal

Maybe wait till after the final to chuck him out though eh ! FFS !

Emily

Was watching the dortmund game and their midfield (or the lack of) reminded me of a certain team that plays in red and white. One thing is for sure. If the three stooges negotiating over there manage to get their act together, we would be adding yet another attacker who’s soon going to look lost and frustrated up front everytime our midfield fails to provide anything but beautiful sideways passing

Billy Bob

Seriously!!!! Just pay the required money or get a massive white flag out with the words “money grabbing mediocrity welcome here”

Rogerbij

So what are the demands exactly? How much money and do they expect Giroud to go the other way? That’s kind of important to know if the demands are reasonable.

Jimbo1

Yeah you are right. The might want £60 million plus Giroud, which would be a stretch.

Dawn

Which would be NO CHANCE!

PFo

I’d do it. Giroud is very useful, but he hasn’t even played that often up to this point in the season, he’s clearly not seen as a regular starter any more, he’s in his thirties, and he’s probably off in the summer in search of regular football anyway.

Rummy

?‍♂️

dace

We haggle over 5million yet fuck around with wasting money on wages for redundant players and bring in players like perez who wenger obviously never wanted. Just like all the other Higuain etc

Gudaffiduck

Same old story to be honest. We won’t get him

lordMartynz

This is to add to Wenger’s CV, we almost got the player, we were very close…. Well… You will hear it in one press conference one day… The lists of players he almost got keep growing…

Gutbukket Deffrolla

…and still none of the people who blame him personally will understand why he missed many of his targets.

ArsenalManitou

OK. Pay up. A year ago, even in the summer I would have rated him at 80million pounds. So, in MHO, this is a good deal. Not a lot of elite players want to play for us at the moment so we can’t waste this opportunity over 10million (if that is indeed the sticking point).

jon

He is 29 this summer. In six years, he’ll be worth zero (I should know, I’m 61). So if your valuation one year ago was correct, he should be worth 70 now, with linear depreciation:)

ArsenalManitou

Right. 60million is a good deal. And hopefully 4 years from now he’ll have helped us to a few major trophies. It’s a football club and a business, not just a business.

Gooner57

Success on the pitch equates to success off the pitch. Even from a business point of view it makes sense to own a successful football club rather than one that isn’t. We might not be able to sell him on for a big fee, but if he can help bring success to Arsenal it’s worth a lot financially to the owners.

Gunner

You wonder if Wengers comments at the beginning of this saga has had an impact. Talking about the player publicly before anything was finalized and then Dortmund take offense. Now they are holding perhaps more firmly due to those comments. That an unfair theory?

pharquhar

Dear Ivan, pay dortmund the money you useless sack of shit. Many thanks, p.

WellArsed

We all know this is going to fail – and then Wenger will tell us we didn’t need him. This club is literally becoming a laughing stock. First, the Sanchez saga, now this.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

If you’re worried about this Club becoming a laughing stock might I suggest that supporting any football team as a social and/or fashion accessory is a dumb pastime. Sanchez was nowhere near the “First”. Stick around a few more years and you may just grow out of this need to use Arsenal like 40-somethings use their brand new Ferrari.

Jozzer

Why do some Arsenal fans get so hysterical? All of a sudden a faction of our fan base are transfer and squad management experts. Coquelin is making room for Ainsley, Walcott will make room for Nelson, if we get Aubameyang Welbeck’s days are numbered and so on.
History will show that Arsene doesn’t do such a bad job with insane market conditions, a disinterested owner and a useless CEO.

Original Paul

Jozzer, and who is filling in for Ox? and who for Santi? and are we really ready to play two youngsters in the first team now? and so on…as you say.

JJs Bender

Jack and Iwobi.

Jozzer

Should we just keep buying players every window and stockpile? Fans have been calling for a clearout for years and slating the Ox Theo and Coquelin- as soon as we get rid they’re considered essential. Regarding Santi I have know clue a story to how we replace him and like all of us I wish we could finally replace Gilberto.

PFo

But the point of a clear out is to make room (both in terms of the squad and in terms of wages) for players of greater quality.

We are sitting in 6th, having finished out of the CL places for the first time in forever last year. We just lost one of our two best players. Clearly we need to invest to improve the squad. It’s not hard to understand.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

Arsenal have had a squad for over 130 years. The squad always evolves, and every good player we ever had moved on at some stage.

You try to keep your best players, you try to keep your players fit and keen while you have them, you try to bring in the best players you can when openings appear or in advance if you can find a good prospect. Sometimes you get a good deal, sometimes you get a lemon. That is how you run a football club.

None of this is new and Wenger didn’t invent the aging process that makes it all necessary.

Kroenke bought us because we were financially stable with potential for a small but steady profit. It is what he craves most. He is the biggest hindrance to us buying the very best players because he is not the sort of man to gamble or spend more than he has budgeted for, even as a temporary measure to get that one perfect player who might take us to the next level. He doesn’t need us to be the best team in the world in order to meet his expectations. That’s why we are drifting backwards. Because we are successful at meeting his non-sporting expectations

Billy Bob

You hit the nail on the head: disinterested owner and useless CEO!!! Shame Stan ever took an interest and to think we thought he would be a better option than the fat russian!!!

Yagunnersya

It’ll be embarrassing for Sven Misteltoe but mostly Gazidis if they don’t manage to full this one off.

It’s hard to blame Wenger for this one, but he has also mentioned that there are many options out there apart from auba.

… and let’s not forget Arsenals tantra sex transfer policy. It’s all about endurance and not getting it done asap. Let’s wait till 1 minute to deadline before judging.

Original Paul

I’m going to start using “full this one off” 🙂

Yagunnersya

That would be super original Paul?

Horpe

Chill out guyz.. Arsenal never do things the easy way..it will go through… Keep the faith

CLOCKENdRIDER

Alternatively this is all a dry run for when sanllehi arrives and sends a strong message to Wenger about the way things are going to be from now on. This season is already lost. Perhaps Gazidis is using it now to bed in new staff and a new process. Hopefully ahead of a new manager joining in the summer.

Original Paul

What colour is the sky on your planet Clock? 😉

ClockEndRider

Apologies. I had forgotten that you have a monopoly on wisdom.

Yankee Gooner

I think you’ve confused “wisdom” with “idle speculation” because sending our shiny new negotiating team to Germany to bid for a world class striker doesn’t seem, by any objective standards, to be a simulation.

“Alright, gents, I want everyone to pair up and role play through our feelings about ‘the simulation.’ How did we bring our whole selves into the space when we were tabling lowball bid after lowball bid? Could we have done things differently with more or less ice wine? After 5 minutes, we’ll move onto hitting a Wenger effigy with foam batons and then trust fall into Stan’s silent but sinewy-strong arms. By July, we’ll be ready to take the training wheels off and really go for a ride!”

kas

Wishful thinking mate, we’ve got to the ‘Egg cup final’ all is well in the Wenger love-in world

Gutbukket Deffrolla

When Wenger has gone you’ll wonder why we’re two points off relegation with two games to play. No doubt you’ll still be blaming Wenger.

ronaldo

can someone please spell this out to wenger , as he doesn,t seem to understand how transfers work

kas

He still thinks its his own money, Lidl or Aldi will be cheaper etc

Gutbukket Deffrolla

Funily enough Kroenke may think it’s HIS money that Wenger keeps wanting to waste on “name” players. You keep on blaming Wenger though if it helps you think better days are coming when he goes.

Atom

The issue I have with all of this is we seem to be haggling over a relatively small amount of money. While I get that we don’t want to be seen as someone who can be constantly taken to the cleaners (we sell our players for low prices b/c we pay far too high of wages to average players and allow contracts to run down) we also need to factor in that new players need time to settle in. This constantly leaving transfers until the end of windows means that players don’t have a chance to really come in and acclimate to the team. Realistically we likely need to win the Europa league to get back into the CL and Aubameyang hopefully can make that a real possibility.

Sanchez was a great player for us – all this revisionist history is stupid. however one area our team can plausibly improve without him is by speeding up our play, as he tended to slow things down. the current 3 man midfield (I would love us to buy a proper DM but think that’s unlikely) seems to provide us with some stability. From Wenger’s comments he seems to have earmarked some combination of Mik as a CM to go with Jack and Xhaka (eleney). That would give us an attack of Ozil, Aubameyang & Lacazette. That could be a pretty potent attack with Ramsey coming off the bench for times we really need to chase a game.

Donald\'s Trump

Does anyone know what we are haggling over? For all we know they could want Giroud plus £80million. Who knows?

Atom

Basically every press report says they want 60 and we offered 50. Regardless we would not have sent a negotiating team over if we were miles apart

Gutbukket Deffrolla

Basically the Press are guessing.

Andy Mack

Well, more likely one of the media hacks guessed and the rest have all used that number as gospel.

ArsensArmy

This deal being held up is a joke. But this is typical arsenal. The transfer fee is acceptable for aubameyang. They are keen to take on giroud as part of the deal so why not. Aubameyang for giroud is a no brainer. It looked like the January transfer window was going to be promising. Evans and auba. was a nice bit of business instead the only thing arsenal will be getting is the Sanchez swap for mik. That is shameful. We are the laughing stock of the transfer market.

Donald\'s Trump

What’s the fee for Aubameyang?

Gutbukket Deffrolla

We get Aubemayang. He gets crocked in his first game. Lacazette still struggling. Welbeck is our main man from February to May. Yeah, lets give them Giroud instead of some money.

Chanson

Arsenal will put in a 3rd offer, gets rejected… The deal will fall apart and ends up at Chelsea who actually offers 60mil.

Original Paul

On the plus side it is clear Dortmund want to sell him to us or they wouldn’t have given us this last obvious chance by saying what they have just said?

Rectum+Spectrum

Lol agree – they are basically publicly asking us to buy him which i think is unprecedented in transfer history.

Oh arsenal…..

Vonnie

Aubamayang is a bit of an idiot by all accounts, he’s certainly playing up over there. Perhaps his behaviour is causing second thoughts, or low bids in case he ends up being a massive problem. I don’t get all the hype to be honest and I think we’d be better getting a really good winger and dm, but then what do I know. I don’t actually care what other fans or the media think either, so if they want to think we’re a laughing stock that’s their problem. Other clubs aren’t exactly buying anyone to set the world alight, are they.

Shishir

I don’t know what all the fuss about Aubameyang is about. I for one don’t see the point of adding another striker of his type, which cannot but make Lacazette’s position kinda weird, not to mention Giroud, or Aubameyang’s disciplinary problems. We’ve got two very good strikers, which is more than most of the other top teams. I humbly submit that we need to worry more about the defence, and about creating chances from midfield, than just throwing money at a new striker.

Steve Vallins

No one know the figures and the parameters regarding this transfer along with the leaking of little bits of so called ultimatums until it’s over the line we all know Arsenal say nothing

Original Paul

The fuss is that we want him and it looks like we are not going to get him, even though Dortmund clearly want to sell him. Embarrassing…

Rectum+Spectrum

Imagine how annoying arsenals transfer team would be trying to buy your motor on gumtree. I’m with the germans on this one….just pay up or fuck off.

Emily
Easy tiger

That is classic Wenger.

Rectum+Spectrum

Lol that was perfect

Donald\'s Trump

Wait so when you buy a car on gumtree, you turn up and pay full whack?

Rectum+Spectrum

£500

No mate sorry…full mot, just serviced. Really not letting it go for less than £1100.

£550

Honestly mate…£1100. Thats it. I’ve a few people interested here.

£575

Mate will you fucking wise up?

Andy Mack

The likelihood is that the seller would take a grand if he wants rid of it, especially if his only other offer is £500 up front and a ton a month for the next 6 months.
We don’t know what they want, when they want it, or if they have anyone else making offers.

Rectum Spectrum

Honestly mate…£1100. Thats it.

Andy Mack

I can only guess that you don’t buy or sell many cars on gumtree…

Bendtner\'s+Ego

Just pay the money!!!

Gutbukket Deffrolla

NO!!!! Pay extra and get fries with it.

fuckmikedean

This had a stink about it from the beginning. Giroud as a makeweight? Paying ANOTHER club record transfer fee in the same season? That’s something that spending clubs do. Not piggy bank clubs for cunt owners.

Charles Charlie Charles
Charles Charlie Charles

Gazidis really is a useless peckerhead.

sixteen swans

This isn’t about money. It’s about Gazidis trying to justify his ridiculous salary by showing the fans (and Stan) he can wheel and deal with the best of them. He can’t. If the transfer doesn’t complete with the player and the (selling) club keen as they are then it’s all down to Gazidis. And what a complete failure he’s turned out to be.

CJaylo

“unless our demands are met..” – sounds like a hostage situation.

also, sounds like their “certain parameters” are unrealistic, I’m thinking it includes having Giroud.

fuck ’em

Surrey Gooner

Pay the fucking money Gazidis and move on to the next target. He should be in the squad by now getting settled.

kas

It’s the stubborn old dictator that decides not Gazidis, or so he loves telling the media! He’s talking about ‘Cazorla’ & a new contract, when he should be clearing out his desk and retiring.

Pete

All this dicking around for a player who’s 29 soon and will probably be half as good in England. Then you have Wenger nausing everything up on top of that. Arsenal shouldn’t spend a penny until Wenger’s gone it’s pointless.

Eastside- gooner

We need to get this transfer done. Sanchez was a big goal scorer for us. Losing him and not replacing those goals would be a mistake imo. Spend the faaackin money arsenal

Santa Cazorla

I’ve already updated my PES squads and have to say he’s pretty awesome up front. For that reason and that reason alone, if this doesn’t go through, I’ll be writing a strongly worded letter to the board.

Agree with many of your sentiments though. If this doesn’t go through, it’s yet another illustration of a problem we’ll always have with this board and manager in place, and added to AW’s ever growing list of “we almost had…”

I get that it’s a business, and credit to them for running a steady and profitable business, but the top teams often speculate to accumulate. That’s something we seem afraid of doing, and why we’re no longer classed as a top team.

thejw1

Further, the club is close to turning the tables on having sold yet another star to a direct rival. Can’t recall there having been less furor having done so in the past. The moves that have occurred this window have been above the norm, and would be the right attitude for moving on quickly from Sanchez.

jw1

jon

Oh, not a letter! Please don’t! We’ll meet all your demands!

Yours

Ivan and Sven

Drew

Why are we even worrying about this. Just pay them what they want. He’s one of the best strikers in the world. We have the cash, I don’t get it.

George Onyango

Arsenal were not interested in getting this deal done! It was typical Window dressing by the Wenger regime playing with the minds of the fans.
We saw it with Lemar in the summer.
Arsenal is now not a football club under Wenger ,making money for Kroenke.
Wenger cannot spend another 50m on another player after Lacazette especially when he knows that this may restrict his chances .
I really don’t know why Arsenal fans still trust Wenger and his cohorts?
George Onyango

Iceberg10

It sounds like the amount needed to get him is still less than what Liverpool paid for Van Dijk (haha!). For a player of Aubameyang’s quality, we really should try to get this done. It makes sense to the club’s management as well since it helps to distract fans from the current failings at the club. I really don’t understand just why we keep screwing up when it matters, on and off the pitch.

Gutbukket Deffrolla

So you think Kroenke gives a f*** about what the fans think? What are you smoking down there?

Iceberg10

WOAH wtf is wrong with you? DIrect your anger at the management, not a fellow fan. Seriously what is with you?

Shitbird

Pitchfork time

Man Manny

The deal is off! Arsenal won’t go back.

Qwaliteee

It’s embarrassing. The sheer ineptitude, childishness, unprofessionalism and downright stupidity of both the so-called new transfer team and the dithering clown in charge of them (make no mistake Wenger’s in charge of the transfers and has the final say, end of story). I sincerely hope the Emirates faithful let these utter charlatans have it with both barrels, period. They make me sick.